Communication with H1B in IT

Free Republic ^ | 3-24-19 | spintreebob

[spintreebob]

1. A Hispanic American friend who speaks perfect English was considered for a job in IT. She was eminently qualified. But many of her co-workers are in India and speak English with a heavy accent, if at all. So a person who could communicate with them in their native language as well as English is "more qualified".

2. When a recruiter or IT management does not speak English and the American applicant is put at a disadvantage to the foreign language applicant, what is it called?

This is increasingly becoming an issue. It used to be that the foreigner was at a disadvantage and paid less due to the communication issues. Now, has the process tipped and Americans are at the communication disadvantage?

[spintreebob]

My first "vanity" post.

[coon2000]

My first run in with H1-B was 1997. Welcome to the party pal.

[gaijin]

I believe you 100%.

I have a friend in construction contracting in Calif. Apparently they can be listed at Home Depot for various jobs, in return for giving HD a kickback of some percent.

He said the notion that contractors MUST be Mexican is so firmly entrenched now that very many people simply will not hire a non-Mexican to do most stuff.

Once it has gotten beyond a certain point, it’s very, very hard to turn things back.

MAJOR parts of the domestic US economy are being chopped up and simply handed off to people totally unlike us.

[amihow]

Trump or Ijankas are looking to increasse number of H1b visas. It is an abominationm!

[stylin19a]

It's been awhile, my friend. Hope all is well. I'm still in the flat land.
You've been in the business long enough to know.

From, what I have experienced, at the recruiting and hiring level, Indians prefer Indians.
So what is it called ?

When I worked @ State Farm, I was assigned to an Indian Team.
They didn't want me so they spoke in their lingo as much as possible.
I didn't last long by my choice.

I was at that point in my last(and I think final) job.
They hired an Indian as the QA manager. They also hired a mirror staff in India.
Interesting thing is, even the Indian's can't understand each other.
There are 30 different languages with 2000 dialects. Only 2 languages are official. One is english.

It turned out that either pictures or the written word become the conveyance.

It was time to go.

stay safe amigo.

[SERE_DOC]

Worked in IT for 22+ years, the H1B is a betrayal of to US workers by business in America.

Now as I come to the end of my working career (61 & 3/4) 22+, graduate degree in Internet Security, have touched every aspect of IT from Crypto - Vsat, I have hit the age wall, not considered for any position last 5 years, No sour milk here, just reality.

But it is still my contention 90% of every one of America's ills are the direct result of deleterious actions or inaction by congress.
And now with the advent of the 2016 election Congress is truly the enemy of We the People.

[Mariner]

“2. When a recruiter or IT management does not speak English and the American applicant is put at a disadvantage to the foreign language applicant, what is it called? “

Legal.

And despicable.

[lizma2]

The only class of American’s that the Ruling Elites care about is the Donor Class. The Donor Class want’s cheap labor. End of story.

As far as I can tell the only one on the side of the Middle Class and the poor is Trump and a small handful of congress critters.

[Viking2002]

Agreed. Here, too - 55 3/4, 21 years in IT, so many IT and vendor certs you could wallpaper an office, and lost my job last fall. Health has gotten in the way of even thinking about looking for another position, so I’ve got a lawyer working on my SSA disability. Nobody is going to look at a rusty human shipwreck like me and pay the money I’d want compensatory for my experience.They’ll pay some kid half my asking price and not have to worry about me croaking at my desk.

[PGR88]

Americans, particularly the white, male kind, are not very pliant.

You need to be replaced with people who won’t ask questions.

[Myrddin]

My son found that getting a job in Mira Mesa (northern San Diego) was impossible without being fluent in Spanish. Especially at fast food joints. He fixed that quickly and got hired. That proficiency turned into a steady girlfriend with a father in real estate. On a lark, my son his girlfriend took a weekend course for a real estate sales license. Both started working for her father. My son already had a BS in Business Administration. He did some additional study and passed his broker's exam. He was already basically running the real estate office anyway. He started his own business with other real estate pros. 90% of his business was Spanish (only) speakers. His proficiency was good enough to represent them in court hearing that were real estate related.

Suffice to say, there is a language proficiency barrier to jobs in southern CA. My son lives in Idaho now, so his Spanish proficiency is less of an asset.

[MrBambaLaMamba]

Database good

[Myrddin]

I'll be reaching 63 in August. Still putting in 55 to 70 hour weeks on a regular basis. I write software and manage a development group. The people with a PMP cert get to call the shots and manage the money. Most of them are not literate in software and systems design. It takes a lot of time and money to stay on the leading edge of tech. I'll do it for a few more years, then happily hang my hat. The most frustrating thing is most of my engagements are bailing out projects that made poor decisions at the proposal stage. You have to live with the poor choices and try to make a silk purse of out of a sow's ear.

[The Duke]

I’m 60+ with many years in IT security. I’m presently in the process of starting a new IT company in Panama. This will eventually enable me to start hiring in the US. I’m on a short fuse, though, as would really like to retire in 3-4 years.

I’ll be going down fighting. :)

[DazedVet]

Worked in IT and had a gig lead by Infosys a big Indian outsourcing firm. They body slammed the project with Indians probably twice the people required. Then sold the client on work done in India. Incredible how much the company makes and how little the H1-B slugs make. Ended the project but the Indians had year leases on local apartments and were stuck paying out the remaining months of their leases. At the time the spouses could not work legally in US but I think that has changed.

The H1-Bs hurt the Indians working and Americans who should be working and only benefit the shyster Big Time Indian companies who game the system.

[DazedVet]

Compassionate liberals also are a big part of the problem. They believe that they are helping disadvantaged Indians. Actually cutting our workers chances of getting good jobs and experience.

[Viking2002]

That's the type of IT that would have driven me to put a gun in my mouth. I've done everything on the other end - Zero Day infections, malware, building and testing images, HW/SW break/fix, stabbing in everything from servers to switches, data center on-call, network admin on every level there is, every sort of troubleshooting you can think of. I'm the older, grizzled Dutch boy who had to plug his fingers and toes in the dike to keep the whole thing from coming apart. I can't do anything like I used to. No more lifting printer or UPS banks into racks, pulling cable, or even sitting at a desk for eight hours at a time. My fingers don't even work properly on a keyboard anymore. My brain can still go like a house on fire, but below the neck, I've got so many issues I'm lucky I'm not wearing protective headgear and an exo-skeleton. LOL I still get around, but as an example, we were going to church last Sunday, and my wife turned to me and said, "What is wrong with you? You're driving like you're 90 years old! Pick a lane and stay in it!" That, from a woman who used to always howl like a banshee about me doing Warp Three on the interstate. LOL We have the same doctor, and after my last episode, she told him about it during her exam. He didn't even look up from his laptop. He just shook his head and told her I was just falling apart. Boy, that's comforting. 🙄

[TChad]

bflr

[blueplum]

if an IT manager or recruiter for a company in the US doesn’t speak English, they should be obligated to provide you with a translator, same as if you only spoke Swahili. If they don’t, find a lawyer who is willing to sue their pants off.