Posted on 12/04/2021 7:31:52 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
Satya made Microsoft a fully indian company in 2 years.
India....... Spread the bird seed out on the table. Then, carefully spend three days picking out all the black dots of pepper. That’s the Indian way
But I don't claim my opinion is scientific. These are hunches of mine. What say you, FReepers?
I was an engineering manager, engineering degreed myself, and I had between 35-40 engineers of all education flavors (BS, MS and PhD). Also had between 3-5 Indian educated promisers, who promised the world to get hired but spent all their time working on gaming the system here. They got here by rote memorization and cutthroat competition in their own country. Their innovation skills were lacking, their drive was misplaced and their acceptable worthwhile follow through was lacking. Not a one of them ever delivered on what they promised. Getting contract work in the unit and continuing it with work enough to support others beyond themselves. Heck, most of them were just overhead drains.
I’ve always thought that the American STEM-educated person (and even some not) is underrated when it comes to rubber on the road. INNOVATION....Innovation borne out of wanting a slicker, easier, faster way - against the fray often times. For all their foibles, hackers and gamers are a good example. Innovation. Can’t learn that by rote and being able to cite Pi to a hundred decimal places doesn’t mean squat.
All those things you list are signs of high IQ.
The values that lead to a successful life are the result of recognizing and appreciating cause and effect, especially long term cause and effect. Connecting the dots, if you will. Or identifying patterns.
And IQ is mostly pattern recognition.
Well, to a large degree, if we are talking Indian characteristics, there is a lot there I agree with. I have worked with a lot of Indians in the medical/IT field, and one of the most professionally brilliant, hardworking, congenial, considerate, and down to earth people I have ever worked with is a SQL engineer who REALLY knows his stuff. I admire him greatly.
But I also know some Indians who simply don’t know their stuff, are lazy, and hard to work with.
Overall...the same can be said of nearly any race or sex, professionally speaking.
I do feel that, in most Indians (not all) there is an unbridgeable cultural gap of varying size, and I admit, I don’t like that. I have always admired Dinesh D’Souza, because from afar, I do not sense that gap at all.
In someone like Dinesh D’Souza, I feel emotionally in listening to him whenever I have heard him speak extemporaneously, that he is a fully acclimated...American. I don’t get that from all Indians. I feel that many of them have two separate masks they put on, and that places distance between us as Americans, in which I get the impression, is fully acceptable and desirable to them.
I also have the gut feeling that in the IT world, Indians are biased towards Indian subordinates/colleagues and will hire them preferentially. This doesn’t seem as much of an issue in the medical side, but they are mostly physicians and not in a hiring capacity, if that makes sense.
All that said, most Indians I have known, both immigrated and native born as Americans, have a fine sense of humor once you know them and can be, on a personal level, quite congenial.
And, I will also say...I am not a fan of outsourcing customer support to India. I abhor the practice. I know why it is done, but I think you largely alienate American customers by doing so.
And it isn’t due to inherent racism. IT support from India is VERY spotty, and more often worse rather than better.
I attribute it to a large degree of cultural difference. That comes across to me as a consumer of IT Support both personal and professional. I cannot say they wouldn’t think the same of customer support they get in India that is based in the USA, but I feel that paying more to staff customer support in the USA is well worth the money even if they may be less professionally capable.
Just my opinion.
And, I need to add, this guy they appointed to head Twitter is an example of the absolute worst of Indian corporate or IT leadership or professionalism.
He is scum.
Interesting observation — pattern recognition. Now I know what my Leftist relatives are missing...
Hey, rlmorel
Great to read your observations. I suppose we’ve gone as far as we can go. After all, our experiences are of relatively few people.
I also dearly admire Dinesh D’Souza. And agree with you that he seems to transcend his Indian heritage somewhat and speaks with an international tone and has intelligent authority.
What I find uber-interesting is that most if not all of my liberal acquaintances lead very conservative personal or family lives, almost indistinguishable from mine.
They work, act responsibly, pay the bills, don’t do drugs, have good manners, are law abiding, want they’re kids to get a good education...
Yet when it comes to “public policies” and who they vote for, they are lenient on druggies, criminals, lazy bums, forgiving of irresponsible behavior, and so on.
I haven’t been able to figure out that dichotomy... but I have some ideas.
Do you see the same thing, and do you have any explanations for it?
No Indian executive I have ever met was worth a damn.
“Americans got fat, dumb and happy.”
well, yes, but abuse and illegal activities of the H1B pushed Americans out of STEM fields.
I say F off. Americans got screwed by H-1B and stop going into IT. Blame the victim. Move to India if you love them do...
Thanks poconopundit.
I think a lot of it my family from Massachusetts is peer pressure. Irish Catholics always voted Democrat and loved the Kennedys, so later generations need to follow the same path — hate the same people that other people hate.
They internalize what they hear from their peers.
My mother was a saint, but she never understood why my Dad broke the cycle and voted for Reagan.
But my Dad was a real estate agent — had his own one-man business — so maybe he learned his had to adhere reality to obey the facts of how the economy works.
I remember him telling me how politicians create “programs” that never end. He also fought in World War 2, so he had a much broader perspective about what America was about — and how it worked.
Dinesh is not exactly what you think ....trust me
I’ve worked with Indians on real estate deals
Overall negative
Untrustworthy and opportunistic
I’ve seen some walk away from dent load and leave USA bound partners and return home to India
Personally I find them often a bit arrogant and haughty
And their women not too pretty as a rule
However there are exceptions and I’ve known them too
Cool dependable and affable and my middle son dated a gorgeous and I mean super gorgeous Indian girl in high school...her pic is on my homepage
And she was a peach...half southern though..her mom had been an Alabama cheerleader
By and large not my favorites and it seems these Indian tech guys running Silicon Valley are anti American and anti white
Pass
LOL!
No Indian person whom I’ve known has ever addressed me as a ‘POS’, or told me to “FOAD”.
Perhaps you crude a$$holes could learn something useful from them.
Read later.
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