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Ranch family splits with Nature Conservancy, citing inability to stay in black
Great Falls Tribune ^ | 03-19-02 | Karen Ivanova

Posted on 03/21/2002 5:50:51 AM PST by Issaquahking

Edited on 05/07/2004 7:33:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

An ambitious attempt to marry conservation with the commercial cattle business on the Matador Ranch in Phillips County has ended in divorce.

Two years ago, the Nature Conservancy of Montana bought the 60,000-acre spread and sold 16,600 acres to the Tranel ranching family of Roundup. Together, they would preserve the Matador's rich grasslands while working the ranch as a commercial cattle operation.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: environmental; klamathlist; tnc
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When Socialist's try to run a farm.... they can't even run a farm from an arm's length away, and they want to run America? God help us, we're on a doomed ride with TNC in charge!
1 posted on 03/21/2002 5:50:52 AM PST by Issaquahking
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2 posted on 03/21/2002 5:56:28 AM PST by Issaquahking
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3 posted on 03/21/2002 5:59:35 AM PST by Issaquahking
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4 posted on 03/21/2002 6:00:45 AM PST by kitchen
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5 posted on 03/21/2002 6:01:02 AM PST by Issaquahking
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To: Issaquahking;B4Ranch;snopercod;Dog Gone;Jeff Head;AuntB;sauropod
Everyone had great intentions going into the deal, but I think the partnership was based on overly optimistic assumptions about what the ranch could produce ... just the numbers of animals it could support, he said.

Allow me to translate:

'We thought we knew everything there was to know about "Sustainable Ranching." So we found some chump who would do it our way and killed the operation with the tyranny of our good ideas.

'We've got money. We can do whatever we want and say that it works.'

Folks, as much as I occasionally admire the scientific work done by TNC staff, this is a very dangerous operation. They have decided, up front, "how many cattle the ranch will support." Then they go about "proving" it. Then it turns up as Federal specifications for every ranch in America. They are also proving what will happen when those standards are adopted.

It's the socialist mantra:

If it doesn't work, make it so that everybody has to do it and then we'll be right!

Alan Savory has already proven how to run a profitable ranch and still take wonderful care of rangeland with his Holistic Management program. He'd be the first to tell you that he doesn't know very much and is still learning.

6 posted on 03/21/2002 6:19:30 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Issaquahking
POUNDS OF BEEF SOLD!!!! What kind of Conservancy is this? First, we want no dealings with capitalistic, profit making activities. They are evil, at face. Second, they must be required to provide the Conservancy with whatever resources are necessary to maintain the grounds in pristine shape. Its only purpose MUST be the enjoyment of the elitists who run the Conservancy. And, finally, beef must not be sold but should serve are organically pure input for the grey timber wolves that must be reintroduced on this land.

How could anyone in their right mind enter into a business relationship with something called the Conservancy, made up of leftist extremists, and not expect to get jacked around?

7 posted on 03/21/2002 6:31:06 AM PST by Tacis
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You'll notice that the father was a "shrink" and thought he'd observe TNC to see if they had any brains. They were "braindead". After a lot of bleeding from their pocketbooks, the two got smart and tried to move on.
8 posted on 03/21/2002 6:47:09 AM PST by Issaquahking
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To: Carry_Okie
Amen to all you said!
9 posted on 03/21/2002 6:48:58 AM PST by Rowdee
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To: Issaquahking
Got that right. Tak a look at all of the farmable land that the Soviet Union had and yet their people starved. Looks like TNC is trying to reinvent the USSR's agriculture program in the US.

We need to make sure not one dime of our tax money goes to fund this nonsense.

10 posted on 03/21/2002 6:58:59 AM PST by anymouse
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How could anyone in their right mind enter into a business relationship with something called the Conservancy, made up of leftist extremists, and not expect to get jacked around?

Man, talk about your thread where every single poster doesn't have a clue and makes idiotic knee-jerk comments.

The Nature Conservancy is about the most moderate environmental group there is.

Notice THE NATURE CONSERVANCY BOUGHT THE LAND.

That's their modus operandi. They're not the Sierra Club, etc. etc. that wants the government to take other people's land or tell them what to do with it. The Nature Conservancy solicits contributions from its members and simply BUYS land they consider important environmentally or in preserving a certain species. They don't get government contributions to do so, as best I can tell.

If someone wants to buy a parcel of land from somebody build a massive shopping mall on the habitat of some rare butterfly, other environmental groups try to get the government to stop them from building the mall; the Nature Conservancy merely offers the property owner more $$$ than the guy who wants to build the shopping mall.

It's simple capitalism. It's unfortunate this particular deal didn't work out, but the rancher entered into it of his own free will and the Nature Conservancy owned the land.

11 posted on 03/21/2002 7:19:29 AM PST by John H K
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Oh I see, we're idiots. Well let me ask you:

If TNC goes to FedGov, and foists regulations that harrass ranchers into bankruptcy so that the property value of their land drops like a brick, and then shows up with a check to buy it at a reduced price, is that racketeering? If they turn around and sell off chunks to preferred developers when the former owner was prevented from doing that because of zoning laws preventing rampant development, is that preferential treatment? If FedGov turns around and buys the land from TNC at a fat profit, is that collusion or graft? If TNC develops its regulatory management theories using government grants what is that?

Just because you don't know how it works doesn't give you the entitlement to pass judgment. Who is the idiot here?

12 posted on 03/21/2002 7:28:25 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Issaquahking
Thanks for posting this interesting article.

With this little bit in the article, I have to wonder if a lot of PETAs are controlling TNC: The Tranels said, for example, that the conservancy required them to move 520 cow-calf pairs three times in one week during last summer's breeding season to conserve grazing pastures. Such a move decreases cattle conception rates and boosts labor costs, the ranchers said.

This was no accident. Some economic enviral terrorists with PETA leanings or a PETA engineered these 3 moves in one week to decrease the conception of new calves. Than means less cattle eventually in the meat market! The goal of Peta.

13 posted on 03/21/2002 8:16:32 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Issaquahking
Bumping to save the American farmer. American farmers feed the world. God Bless the American farmers and God Bless America.
14 posted on 03/21/2002 8:20:07 AM PST by JustAmy
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To: JustAmy
American farmers feed the world.

I hate to break it to you, but American farmers no longer even feed America. We do sell a lot of subsidized grain, but we have now become a net food importer, especially meat.

15 posted on 03/21/2002 8:22:49 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: John H K; Carry Okie
As a former Idiot, I used to support this Green land grabbing organization. Then, about 3 years ago I saw and heard of actions like this and others. I let my membership expire/lapse.

Proud to be a Former Idiot or no longer a donating fool to the TNC subtle but anti farming/ranching control schemes!

When you have the credentials and ability to write an excellent book on how to correct the damage done by the enviralists like Carry Okie has, you might realize who the real idiot was re TNC!

Until then I will depend on Carry, the other Good Freepers and others who battle the Green Nazis to keep this previously former idiot informed of what is really going on. Not the phoney baloney publicity of todays enviralist organizations like TNC!

16 posted on 03/21/2002 8:25:43 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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Here in Sacramento, a court told the City which land would be set aside as habitat. The suit brought by enviro groups. Of course the land to be set aside is not in the City limits nor adjacent to the city limits. The value of the land for development has gone up because of other development in the area. The city does not want to buy the development rights so they are condemning the property. Once they have possesion they will give it to the conservancy to convert to habitat. The County will do nothing because this plan protects the airport.
17 posted on 03/21/2002 8:31:50 AM PST by farmfriend
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Correction:

The County will do nothing because this plan subsidizes the airport.

It also destroys the property value of maintaing open space. That makes the entire area ripe for manipulation and corruption, ala TNC.

18 posted on 03/21/2002 8:35:36 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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OK, once again, it's time for yet another shameless plug:

Natural Process:
That Environmental Laws May Serve the Laws of Nature

19 posted on 03/21/2002 8:39:39 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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I hate to admit it but I also that. Government regulations have destroyed our farmers. New regulations daily make it impossible for the American farmer to support his family. We have 40 acres with nothing on it; we cannot afford to continue losing our capital. Sure hate to think of that this beautiful spring morning. Guess I will go plant some flowers; then come back in and bump the thread a couple of more times.
20 posted on 03/21/2002 8:43:41 AM PST by JustAmy
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