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Surprise, Mom: I'm Anti-Abortion
New York Times ^ | 3/30/03 | ELIZABETH HAYT

Posted on 03/29/2003 7:00:29 PM PST by madprof98

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FOR her high school class in persuasive speech, Afton Dahl, 16, chose to present an argument that abortion should be illegal. She graphically described the details of various abortion techniques, including facts about fetal heart development.

"The baby's heartbeat starts at around 12 to 18 days, so it's murder to kill someone with a heartbeat," Miss Dahl said recently, recalling the argument she used in class in January. "I don't believe in abortion under any circumstances, including rape. I think it would be better to overturn Roe v. Wade."

Miss Dahl, a sophomore, attends Red Wing High School in Red Wing, Minn., a small city that is the home of Red Wing shoes and a town where a majority voted for Al Gore for president. Miss Dahl's abortion views are not something she learned from her parents: her mother, Fran Dahl, 47, maintains that abortion should be a woman's choice.

"Nowadays kids don't grow up knowing or being aware of what was going on when abortion was illegal," said Ms. Dahl, a former nurse. "It's not a choice that I would have taken personally, but for the future of women I want to see the right to an abortion maintained."

This contrast between mother and teenage daughter illustrates a trend noted in polls: that teenagers and college-age Americans are more conservative about abortion rights than their counterparts were a generation ago. Many people old enough to have teenage children and who equate youth with liberal social opinions on topics like gay rights and the use of marijuana for medical purposes have been surprised at this discovery. Miss Dahl was one of numerous students in her class who chose to make speeches about abortion, and most took the anti-abortion side.

"I was shocked that there were that many students who felt strong enough and confident enough to speak about being pro-life," said Nina Verin, a parent of another student in the class (whose oral argument was about war in Iraq). "The people I associate with in town are pro-choice, so I'm troubled — where do these kids come from?"

A study of American college freshmen shows that support for abortion rights has been dropping since the early 1990's: 54 percent of 282,549 students polled at 437 schools last fall by the University of California at Los Angeles agreed that abortion should be legal. The figure was down from 67 percent a decade earlier. A New York Times/CBS News poll in January found that among people 18 to 29, the share who agree that abortion should be generally available to those who want it was 39 percent, down from 48 percent in 1993.

"Abortion isn't a rights issue — it's become for increasing numbers of young people a moral, ethical issue," said Henry Brady, a professor of political science and public policy at Berkeley who has taken surveys in this area. "They haven't faced a situation where they couldn't get an abortion." Experts offer a number of reasons why young people today seem to favor stricter abortion laws than their parents did at the same age. They include the decline in teenage pregnancy over the last 10 years, which has reduced the demand for abortion. They also cite society's greater acceptance of single parenthood; the spread of ultrasound technology, which has made the fetus seem more human; and the easing of the stigma once attached to giving up a child for adoption.

Ten to 15 years ago, said Frances Kissling, president of Catholics for a Free Choice, an abortion-rights group, adoption was generally portrayed as an effort to find parents for needy children. Now, she said, that has changed — infertile couples are desperately seeking children.

"Young people are idealistic," Ms. Kissling said. "They think sacrifice is a good thing, particularly conservative Christian kids. One of the main sacrifices you can give is the gift of a child to a deserving couple."

The most commonly cited reason for the increasingly conservative views of young people is their receptiveness to the way anti-abortion campaigners have reframed the national debate on the contentious topic, shifting the emphasis from a woman's rights to the rights of the fetus.

Abortion opponents celebrated on March 13 when the Senate passed a ban on a procedure that its critics call partial-birth abortion; the bill is expected to pass the House quickly and be signed by President Bush, and to immediately face a court challenge. Even though the procedure is used in only a tiny fraction of cases, graphic descriptions of it since the mid-90's, and even the name its foes have given it (doctors call it dilation and extraction), have had an impact on young people.

"There's been so much media attention over the last seven to eight years on partial-birth abortion, we shouldn't be surprised that some of it has had an effect on 12-to-14-year-olds, and it is a public relations coup for the National Right to Life Committee," said David J. Garrow, a legal historian at Emory University who has focused on reproductive rights.

Britni Hoffbeck, another speech student at Red Wing High who opposes abortion, and who says her views are more conservative than those of her parents, put her argument succinctly: "It's more about the baby's rights than the woman's rights."

Tom Cosgrove, a communications consultant in Cambridge, Mass., who has researched the views of young people for national abortion-rights groups, said: "All the restrictions that the right-to-life movement has imposed young people look at and say, `They're a good thing, because it's meant to protect a young woman's health.' They don't want the label of pro-choice. The pro-life side figured out a long time ago that this is about children, whereas the pro-choice movement is focused on women and choice."

Some young people who oppose abortion, and who were born after the Roe v. Wade decision in 1973 declared that were is a constitutional right to abortion, have adopted a new rhetoric. One of them is Kelly Kroll, a junior at Boston College and president of American Collegians for Life, who says she is a "survivor of the abortion holocaust" because she was adopted. "Myself and my classmates have never known a world in which abortion wasn't legalized," she said. "We've realized that any one of us could have been aborted. When I talk about being a survivor of abortion, I am talking about it from a personal place."

Margaret Watson, a junior at Rutgers University who recently started an abortion rights group on campus, RU Choice, said that because the historical circumstances surrounding Roe v. Wade are distant, her peers take the right to an abortion for granted.

"For my generation, we have always grown up knowing we could have an abortion," she said. "I look at being pro-choice as being American, to have free will. I would hope that mothers do decide to keep their babies, but I just want women to be able to make up their own minds."

One reason there may be less support for abortion among the young is that they are less likely to imagine having to consider an abortion, because teenage pregnancy rates are down: while 4 out of 10 girls become pregnant, that is a 21 percent decrease since 1990, according to the National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy.

Experts attribute the decline to greater awareness of AIDS and sexually transmitted diseases, which has led young people to become more cautious about sex. Studies show that fewer high school students engage in sexual intercourse, and that contraceptive use is up.

"There are better contraceptives — RU-486, the morning-after pill — along with an emphasis on sex ed, abstinence and slogans like, `Not me, Not now,' " said a sophomore at Hunter College High School in Manhattan whose father did not want her to be identified. "Abortion isn't such an issue, because getting pregnant isn't such a prevalent problem among my peers."

Some parents trace their teenagers' anti-abortion views to sexuality education programs that stress abstinence as the only way to prevent pregnancy and disease, and in the process sometimes demonize abortion. Since 1996 the federal government has budgeted $50 million annually to "abstinence only till marriage" programs, which are taught in 35 percent of public schools in the country, according to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, a nonprofit group affiliated with Planned Parenthood.

Renee Walker gave permission for her seventh-grade son to participate in such a program last fall in his public school in Concord, Calif. But she said she became alarmed when, reviewing his class notes, she found a list of the disadvantages of abortion, including the circled words "killing a baby." He said he had been told abortion "tears the arms and legs off."

Ms. Walker sent a letter of complaint to officials of the school district, Mount Diablo Unified School District, expressing her surprise that the abstinence curriculum had been created by First Resort, a Christian anti-abortion and pregnancy counseling group. "Most parents are busy, doing laundry, running around like me, and we're trusting the schools to reflect public policy," she said. "I had an anti-choice critter jump out of my son's backpack and was running around my house."

The district agreed with Ms. Walker that the First Resort program was overly graphic, a schools spokeswoman said. It asked for, and got, modifications, she said.

If today's teenagers and young adults maintain their views on abortion into older adulthood, and if succeeding waves of students are also conservative, the balance could tip somewhat in the America's long-running abortion war, some experts speculate.

It's unclear whether the shift will ever be substantial enough to change the centrist position of the majority of Americans of all ages: that abortion should be legal, but with restrictions. In Red Wing, the certainty of the youthful opinions of the students reminded their speech-lcass teacher, Jillynne Raymond, of an earlier generation's certainty — her own.

"Teenagers have strong opinions," Ms. Raymond, 41, said. "It's no different than the 70's when I was a teenager, but the difference is that the majority of speeches then were pro-choice. I wanted the right to an abortion as a woman. The focus then was not having the government tell me what to do with my body.

"Today," she said of her students, "the majority is pro-life."


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To: CyberAnt
if you aren't considered DEAD, why would you need CPR

last time I checked CPR was not the suggested remedy for death- the intervention of a higher power is called for. CPR is useful in situations where a person has stopped breathing/neglected to continue circulating their blood, but has not ceased cereberal activity.

Once you are D-E-D dead, cpr won't help. Point is being alive or dead, or being human or non-human has nothing to do with whether or not you have a heartbeat.

61 posted on 03/30/2003 3:09:47 PM PST by fourdeuce82d
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To: fourdeuce82d; CyberAnt; Victoria Delsoul; Remedy; Coleus; Askel5; cpforlife.org; Mr. Silverback; ...
If your heart is stopped during surgery, are you not a person? If your head is severed, but you body is put on a respirator to keep the organs fresh for transplant, are you still alive? Is the body a person? I don't think there is a single case of a head being severed but the body kept alive on machinery, for transplant purposes. But there are many examples of the head stopped functioning as an integral organ of the organism yet the remains of the organism is kept alive for organ harvesting. My now departed brother is an example and many of his body parts now help to sustain the lives of other individual human beings. And that is the point I would offer to you.

You were first an individual human being at your individual conception and first cell division. Your lifetime as an organism (not to be confused with an organ) started the continuum that is your individual human life when the gametes of your parents united. The zygote is an organism, with body parts, growing and thus expressing its individual human life. To miss this critical truth is to open the door to the utility of exploiting these earliest aged human beings, while wrongfully casting aside the truth of the cannibalism in the process of that exploitation. The embryo is an human being. Its stem cells are its body parts, even before the manifestation of organs can be differentiated in the individual human organism. To kill the embryo in order to harvest its body parts for use in treating another, older organism is as much cannibalism as treating an individual's illness by having the patient eat the embryo(s). The only way to stand against that cannibalism is by acknowledging the embryological truth that the embryo is an individual human being in its earliest age of a lifetime, a continuum of individual human life begun at conception.

62 posted on 03/30/2003 3:12:54 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: fourdeuce82d
It was an argument made by a teenager in class quoted by a newspaper that wasn't entirely sympathetic to her point of view (or that was trying to be objective.) There are better arguments for the individuality and personhood of the "fetus".
63 posted on 03/30/2003 3:18:28 PM PST by aloysius89
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To: Zack Nguyen
It's not just an "I believe it's true". It is true and worse. Abortion is not just killing, it's akin to... I can't say it.
64 posted on 03/30/2003 3:22:23 PM PST by aloysius89
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To: Concerned
God bless you.
65 posted on 03/30/2003 3:29:33 PM PST by aloysius89
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To: Concerned
Bravo.

Best year in my life was spent as the personal caretaker of a young man much like your daughter. He never spoke a word to me--yet taught me more than all my professors.

God bless you; He will reward your pains.
66 posted on 03/30/2003 3:43:52 PM PST by homeagain balkansvet
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To: Concerned
(3) Would PETA allow a dog or cat to have its legs RIPPED OFF of its PRE-BORN body and its SKULL CRUSHED? Obviously, NOT!

GREAT POINT!!

67 posted on 03/30/2003 3:45:37 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: madprof98
Some parents trace their teenagers' anti-abortion views to sexuality education programs that stress abstinence as the only way to prevent pregnancy and disease, and in the process sometimes demonize abortion.

Nope, no bias at the NYT...

68 posted on 03/30/2003 3:46:57 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: madprof98
Dear Mom,

Thanks for not aborting me.

Love,
Teacher317

69 posted on 03/30/2003 3:52:02 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: Atticus
WARNING: The Surgeon General has Determined that Abortion May Be Hazardous to Your Baby's Health

When was abortion NOT hazardous to your baby's health?

70 posted on 03/30/2003 4:07:18 PM PST by Dad was my hero
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To: Concerned
(3) Would PETA allow a dog or cat to have its legs RIPPED OFF of its PRE-BORN body and its SKULL CRUSHED? Obviously, NOT!

You know that is one I've wondered about. Never seen any information about it although I've suspected it with the silly things that you see about where they have someone on a movie set to make sure that a bug wasn't killed in the making of a movie (Shawshank Redemption for instance). I've wondered if I found a stray cat and took it to my vet, would they perform an abortion if I requested one or would they refuse. If they agreed and PETA found out, what would they do, try to get an injunction?

71 posted on 03/30/2003 4:14:46 PM PST by Dad was my hero
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To: MHGinTN
My now departed brother is an example

Sorry for your loss- glad that he has helped others even after his death.

You were first an individual human being at your individual conception and first cell division.

clearly, concisely stating my point- "heartbeat" has nothing to do with it, and detracts from that point.

72 posted on 03/30/2003 4:28:16 PM PST by fourdeuce82d
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To: madprof98
One of them is Kelly Kroll, a junior at Boston College and president of American Collegians for Life, who says she is a "survivor of the abortion holocaust" because she was adopted. "Myself and my classmates have never known a world in which abortion wasn't legalized," she said. "We've realized that any one of us could have been aborted. When I talk about being a survivor of abortion, I am talking about it from a personal place."

And that is the gulf between the generation who fought for "choice" and the generation who is alive now inspite of it. This issue has a whole different point of view for these young people and, I dare say, a very disturbing one at that.

73 posted on 03/30/2003 5:26:20 PM PST by Ladysmith (Land of the Free Because of the BRAVE!)
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To: IrishRainy
Do you have a link for these stats?
74 posted on 03/30/2003 6:01:49 PM PST by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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To: madprof98
He said he had been told abortion "tears the arms and legs off."

The truth hurts, doesn't it, Ms. Walker!

75 posted on 03/30/2003 6:37:41 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: MHGinTN
Some young people who oppose abortion, and who were born after the Roe v. Wade decision in 1973 declared that were is a constitutional right to abortion, have adopted a new rhetoric. One of them is Kelly Kroll, a junior at Boston College and president of American Collegians for Life, who says she is a "survivor of the abortion holocaust" because she was adopted. "Myself and my classmates have never known a world in which abortion wasn't legalized," she said. "We've realized that any one of us could have been aborted. When I talk about being a survivor of abortion, I am talking about it from a personal place."

Bump.

76 posted on 03/30/2003 6:42:39 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: TPartyType
And one of the reasons for that attitude IMO is the existence of conservative websites such as Free Republic!:)
77 posted on 03/30/2003 7:34:55 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Zack Nguyen; madprof98
The NEA has been so busy opposing the Iraqi War and brainwashing kids to accept homosexuality as normal that it forgot about abortion rights. In the future, we could be having potential voters who are pro-gay and pro-life. How will politicians pander to them? The future political landscape remains very volatile.
78 posted on 03/30/2003 7:55:36 PM PST by Kuksool
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To: fourdeuce82d
They're kids. Kids do better with visual aids. They go from seeing the heart, imagining it beating, then they feel their heart beat and suddenly, the new, unborn human is real. He or she could be/ is them!
I'm proud of these kids.
79 posted on 03/30/2003 9:19:08 PM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US.)
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To: nicollo
I'm proud of you, and thank you for telling your story.

Some "choice", Huh???
80 posted on 03/30/2003 9:23:38 PM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US.)
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