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New Dinosaur Species Found in India
AP ^ | August 13, 2003 | RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM

Posted on 08/13/2003 9:02:05 PM PDT by nwrep

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By RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM, Associated Press Writer

BOMBAY, India - U.S. and Indian scientists said Wednesday they have discovered a new carnivorous dinosaur species in India after finding bones in the western part of the country.

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The new dinosaur species was named Rajasaurus narmadensis, or "Regal reptile from the Narmada," after the Narmada River region where the bones were found.

The dinosaurs were between 25-30 feet long, had a horn above their skulls, were relatively heavy and walked on two legs, scientists said. They preyed on long-necked herbivorous dinosaurs on the Indian subcontinent during the Cretaceous Period at the end of the dinosaur age, 65 million years ago.

"It's fabulous to be able to see this dinosaur which lived as the age of dinosaurs came to a close," said Paul Sereno, a paleontologist at the University of Chicago. "It was a significant predator that was related to species on continental Africa, Madagascar and South America."

Working with Indian scientists, Sereno and paleontologist Jeff Wilson of the University of Michigan reconstructed the dinosaur skull in a project funded partly by the National Geographic (news - web sites) Society.

A model of the assembled skull was presented Wednesday by the American scientists to their counterparts from Punjab University in northern India and the Geological Survey of India during a Bombay news conference.

Scientists said they hope the discovery will help explain the extinction of the dinosaurs and the shifting of the continents — how India separated from Africa, Madagascar, Australia and Antarctica and collided with Asia.

The dinosaur bones were discovered during the past 18 years by Indian scientists Suresh Srivastava of the Geological Survey of India and Ashok Sahni, a paleontologist at Punjab University.

When the bones were examined, "we realized we had a partial skeleton of an undiscovered species," Sereno said.

The scientists said they believe the Rajasaurus roamed the Southern Hemisphere land masses of present-day Madagascar, Africa and South America.

"People don't realize dinosaurs are the only large-bodied animal that lived, evolved and died at a time when all continents were united," Sereno said.

The cause of the dinosaurs' extinction is still debated by scientists. The Rajasaurus discovery may provide crucial clues, Sereno said.

India has seen quite a few paleontological discoveries recently.

In 1997, villagers discovered about 300 fossilized dinosaur eggs in Pisdura, 440 miles northeast of Bombay, that Indian scientists said were laid by four-legged, long-necked vegetarian creatures.

Indian scientists said the dinosaur embryos in the eggs may have suffocated during volcanic eruptions.


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To: Da_Shrimp
Thank you so much for your post!

I was not successful in my search on the PSYCHE website - though I had only started looking when I got all involved in the research of ancient manuscripts and then trying to find the origin of some startling observations in Enoch's book of astronomy.

BTW, I've found my best Kabbalah material at Kosher Torah.

2,701 posted on 08/25/2003 1:14:08 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
I'm particularly interested in the first time the ancients considered that stars actually die.

Probably from the very beginning, although for the wrong reasons.

Meteorites look like "falling stars", and ancient peoples would naturally presume that they were stars which had fallen from their positions and "died", both because they have left their "home", and because most meteorite trails visibly fade out as if the falling "star" has winked out.

It would be the rare ancient culture which *didn't* point to meteorites as obvious "proof" that stars fall and die.

Judges 5:20 - From heaven fought the stars, from their courses they fought against Sis'era.

Daniel 8:10 - It grew great, even to the host of heaven; and some of the host of the stars it cast down to the ground, and trampled upon them.

These sound like descriptions of meteor showers taken as omens.
2,702 posted on 08/25/2003 1:14:34 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: PatrickHenry
heehee, see? I got it that time!!

And thank you for the explanation.
2,703 posted on 08/25/2003 1:14:49 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: DittoJed2
Hitler was an evolutionist, who believed that Jews were almost completely ape and that blacks were predominantly ape

Go find a copy of Mein Kampf on line. You will find repeated invocations of God.

2,704 posted on 08/25/2003 1:15:34 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Alamo-Girl
With all due respect, I don't think accusing evolutionist of being Nazis constitutes "carrying the argument". Just more disguised name calling that will lead to a flame war. I am disgusted.
2,705 posted on 08/25/2003 1:15:37 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Right Wing Professor
And your point?
2,706 posted on 08/25/2003 1:17:42 PM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: DittoJed2
What do you think his point was?
2,707 posted on 08/25/2003 1:19:47 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: js1138
I'm terribly sorry! My post was not meant to be an endorsement of any such argument.

To be clear, it is wrongful and disallowed under the agreement, for evolutionists to be called Marxists or Nazis.

My welcome to the returning poster was only meant to say that DittoJed2 has not had any help with the YEC argument. The Hitler/Nazi argument is political ideology not science or religion in my view. I choose to not respond to such arguments.

2,708 posted on 08/25/2003 1:21:10 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: DittoJed2
The point is that when you run out of arguments you start calling your opponent a Nazi. At that point the thread deteriorates into a flame war and gets shoved into the back room.
2,709 posted on 08/25/2003 1:21:29 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Right Wing Professor
I also find dribble such as this:

In order to elucidate this point of view it may be worth while to glance once again at the real origins and causes of the cultural evolution of mankind.

The first step which visibly brought mankind away from the animal world was that which led to the first invention. The invention itself owes its origin to the ruses and stratagems which man employed to assist him in the struggle with other creatures for his existence and often to provide him with the only means he could adopt to achieve success in the struggle. Those first very crude inventions cannot be attributed to the individual; for the subsequent observer, that is to say the modern observer, recognizes them only as collective phenomena. Certain tricks and skilful tactics which can be observed in use among the animals strike the eye of the observer as established facts which may be seen everywhere; and man is no longer in a position to discover or explain their primary cause and so he contents himself with calling such phenomena 'instinctive.'

In our case this term has no meaning. Because everyone who believes in the higher evolution of living organisms must admit that every manifestation of the vital urge and struggle to live must have had a definite beginning in time and that one subject alone must have manifested it for the first time. It was then repeated again and again; and the practice of it spread over a widening area, until finally it passed into the subconscience of every member of the species, where it manifested itself as 'instinct.' This is more easily understood and more easy to believe in the case of man. His first skilled tactics in the struggle with the rest of the animals undoubtedly originated in his management of creatures which possessed special capabilities.

There can be no doubt that personality was then the sole factor in all decisions and achievements, which were afterwards taken over by the whole of humanity as a matter of course. An exact exemplification of this may be found in those fundamental military principles which have now become the basis of all strategy in war. Originally they sprang from the brain of a single individual and in the course of many years, maybe even thousands of years, they were accepted all round as a matter of course and this gained universal validity.

Man completed his first discovery by making a second. Among other things he learned how to master other living beings and make them serve him in his struggle for existence. And thus began the real inventive activity of mankind, as it is now visible before our eyes. Those material inventions, beginning with the use of stones as weapons, which led to the domestication of animals, the production of fire by artificial means, down to the marvellous inventions of our own days, show clearly that an individual was the originator in each case. The nearer we come to our own time and the more important and revolutionary the inventions become, the more clearly do we recognize the truth of that statement. All the material inventions which we see around us have been produced by the creative powers and capabilities of individuals. And all these inventions help man to raise himself higher and higher above the animal world and to separate himself from that world in an absolutely definite way. Hence they serve to elevate the human species and continually to promote its progress. And what the most primitive artifice once did for man in his struggle for existence, as he went hunting through the primeval forest, that same sort of assistance is rendered him today in the form of marvellous scientific inventions which help him in the present day struggle for life and to forge weapons for future struggles. In their final consequences all human thought and invention help man in his life-struggle on this planet, even though the so-called practical utility of an invention, a discovery or a profound scientific theory, may not be evident at first sight. Everything contributes to raise man higher and higher above the level of all the other creatures that surround him, thereby strengthening and consolidating his position; so that he develops more and more in every direction as the ruling being on this earth.

Hence all inventions are the result of the creative faculty of the individual. And all such individuals, whether they have willed it or not, are the benefactors of mankind, both great and small. Through their work millions and indeed billions of human beings have been provided with means and resources which facilitate their struggle for existence. Thus at the origin of the material civilization which flourishes today we always see individual persons. They supplement one another and one of them bases his work on that of the other. The same is true in regard to the practical application of those inventions and discoveries. For all the various methods of production are in their turn inventions also and consequently dependent on the creative faculty of the individual. Even the purely theoretical work, which cannot be measured by a definite rule and is preliminary to all subsequent technical discoveries, is exclusively the product of the individual brain. The broad masses do not invent, nor does the majority organize or think; but always and in every case the individual man, the person.

Accordingly a human community is well organized only when it facilitates to the highest possible degree individual creative forces and utilizes their work for the benefit of the community. The most valuable factor of an invention, whether it be in the world of material realities or in the world of abstract ideas, is the personality of the inventor himself. The first and supreme duty of an organized folk community is to place the inventor in a position where he can be of the greatest benefit to all. Indeed the very purpose of the organization is to put this principle into practice. Only by so doing can it ward off the curse of mechanization and remain a living thing. In itself it must personify the effort to place men of brains above the multitude and to make the latter obey the former.

Therefore not only does the organization possess no right to prevent men of brains from rising above the multitude but, on the contrary, it must use its organizing powers to enable and promote that ascension as far as it possibly can. It must start out from the principle that the blessings of mankind never came from the masses but from the creative brains of individuals, who are therefore the real benefactors of humanity. It is in the interest of all to assure men of creative brains a decisive influence and facilitate their work. This common interest is surely not served by allowing the multitude to rule, for they are not capable of thinking nor are they efficient and in no case whatsoever can they be said to be gifted. Only those should rule who have the natural temperament and gifts of leadership.

Such men of brains are selected mainly, as I have already said, through the hard struggle for existence itself. In this struggle there are many who break down and collapse and thereby show that they are not called by Destiny to fill the highest positions; and only very few are left who can be classed among the elect. In the realm of thought and of artistic creation, and even in the economic field, this same process of selection takes place, although – especially in the economic field – its operation is heavily handicapped. This same principle of selection rules in the administration of the State and in that department of power which personifies the organized military defence of the nation. The idea of personality rules everywhere, the authority of the individual over his subordinates and the responsibility of the individual towards the persons who are placed over him. It is only in political life that this very natural principle has been completely excluded. Though all human civilization has resulted exclusively from the creative activity of the individual, the principle that it is the mass which counts – through the decision of the majority – makes its appearance only in the administration of the national community especially in the higher grades; and from there downwards the poison gradually filters into all branches of national life, thus causing a veritable decomposition. The destructive workings of Judaism in different parts of the national body can be ascribed fundamentally to the persistent Jewish efforts at undermining the importance of personality among the nations that are their hosts and, in place of personality, substituting the domination of the masses. The constructive principle of Aryan humanity is thus displaced by the destructive principle of the Jews, They become the 'ferment of decomposition' among nations and races and, in a broad sense, the wreckers of human civilization.





Sure doesn't sound like Christianity to me. http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv2ch04.html
2,710 posted on 08/25/2003 1:25:07 PM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: js1138
Show me dear sir, where I called a single person a Nazi. SHOW ME!
2,711 posted on 08/25/2003 1:25:36 PM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: biblewonk
I don't "believe" in evolution. I accept it as the best explanation for the diversity of life we see around us.
2,712 posted on 08/25/2003 1:25:54 PM PDT by Junior (Killed a six pack ... just to watch it die.)
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To: Alamo-Girl
Thank you. I would just like to reiterate that saying scientific ideas have political and moral consequenses is the liberal way of arguing. It is intellectually bankrupt.
2,713 posted on 08/25/2003 1:26:14 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Alamo-Girl
Alamo-Girl,
Again, I did not call Evolutionists Nazis. I simply said the Nazis were evolutionists and were not being inconsistent with Evolutionary philosophy for being such.
2,714 posted on 08/25/2003 1:27:14 PM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: js1138
Fine, if I say a human fetus is merely a glob of tissue, bones, chemicals, etc., you can't see where that scientific statement would have any other implications?
2,715 posted on 08/25/2003 1:28:20 PM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: js1138
Well, when it is the only weapon in the arsenal, I guess you use what you have.

Even if it is intellectually bankrupt and makes the person using it look like a liberal thinker, if there is such a thing.
2,716 posted on 08/25/2003 1:28:41 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: Aric2000
I thought I was on Virtual Ignore. You shouldn't even be commenting on my statements in any guise.
2,717 posted on 08/25/2003 1:29:50 PM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: DittoJed2
if I say a human fetus is merely a glob of tissue, bones, chemicals, etc.,

If that is a scientific statement, I am Mary Poppins, here's my umbrella, pardon me while I go sit in the clouds for a few days.

Bankrupt, totally and completely bankrupt.
2,718 posted on 08/25/2003 1:30:07 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: DittoJed2
To the evolutionists on this thread, are you each pro-life? If so, how do you justify a pro-life belief in an anti-biblical system?
2,719 posted on 08/25/2003 1:30:52 PM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: DittoJed2
When you say something beyond ridiculous, it is my duty to respond and shove your face in the excrement that you left in the thread.
2,720 posted on 08/25/2003 1:31:06 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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