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Howard Dean Signals Right (Village Voice frets – closet-moderate Dean may side with the Joos!)
Village Voice ^ | September 3 - 9, 2003 | Kareem Fahim

Posted on 09/02/2003 1:26:31 PM PDT by dead

After the Ecstasy, Foreign Policy

Alternative energy powers Howard Dean's euphoric bid for the presidency. An astonishing mix of Internet cash, anti-war conviction, and social-justice talk last week moved Dr. Dean ahead of his nearest rival in New Hampshire by a breathtaking 21 points, according to a Zogby International poll. His campaign raised a record $10.3 million in just three months, matching Bill Clinton's fundraising record. And the candidate's late-August hopscotch around the country brought out new supporters by the tens of thousands—a mix of progressives, disenfranchised Demo-crats, and even moderate Republicans.

"While President Bush still has the support of the majority of Americans, there is a backlash," David Gergen, a former adviser to four U.S. presidents, told the Voice. "Dean is giving voice to the backlash. He's come to symbolize opposition to the president's policies in Iraq, and he's riding that wave very smartly."

Dean's fans thrill at the bravura of his attacks on Bush and his willingness to claim progressive—if not politically utopian—social ground on issues like universal health care and civil unions for gays and lesbians. Pundits and journos love him too. The shortish, prickly doctor from Park Avenue with the barbed one-liners livens up the otherwise soporific Democratic field, and he sells papers.

And they all more or less agree that the conflict in Iraq was the ship that brought Dean this far. "The anti-war position is very important," said Maxine Isaacs, who teaches a class at Harvard's Kennedy School on the 2004 presidential race. "It could be a factor in who gets the nomination, the threshold question for leadership."

Last week 10,000 people showed up in New York's Bryant Park to size up the former governor. Under the yellow "Free Palestine" banner at the rear of the rally, the activists looked lonely. Or slightly lost. As he watched one of the opening acts, Jacques Englestein, a member of Jews Against the Occupation, allowed that Dean "is a step up from Bush."

"But there are a lot of caveats."

The candidate's anti-war stance may have filled the park, but the broader foreign policy debate to come—one of two areas, along with the economy, that Dean recently said "every president must get right"—will be about more than just Iraq. And his positions on a variety of issues are far from clear. Part of this problem is Dean's remarkable early success. A bright light shines on his campaign, forcing his staffers to consider questions they might not have otherwise faced till the fall.

Usually at this point in the campaign, said Gergen, "it doesn't get into specifics. If that were the case, [John] Kerry would be doing much better."

Dean's campaign handlers will stay away from the trickiest foreign policy questions for now, an approach seasoned advisers think wise.

"If I were him, I'd veer away from the Middle East debate until he's forced into it," said one former Democratic adviser, who wished to remain anonymous. "He just doesn't need to talk about it." Dean was unavailable to be interviewed for this story, and his campaign staff could not answer a number of foreign policy questions submitted by the Voice.

Veering away from the Middle East, for instance, worries some progressives, who say that apart from his anti-war positions, Dean's foreign policy agenda doesn't represent any substantive ambition or new direction. In his statements on the region, they say, he has shown a willingness to follow fashion rather than conviction. These critics point to statements made by Dean about Saudi Arabia and the Israeli-Palestinian peace process as proof that inside the insurgent there is an unimaginative centrist just waiting to get out.

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When you're untested in foreign policy," said Nancy Soderberg, a former UN ambassador and foreign policy adviser to Bill Clinton, "you need to demonstrate that you know it. In this case, it will be Iraq, Afghanistan, and the war on terrorism." Soderberg says that Clinton "did this well" in 1992, with speeches challenging George H. Bush on U.S. policy toward Haiti, Bosnia, and China.

"You need to take the fight to the administration," she said. "Dean will have to stake out critical positions."

Saudi Arabia and several of its neighbors have provided Dean's campaign with what he must believe is such a position. In a June speech at the Council on Foreign Relations and one of the first times he detailed his foreign policy positions, Dean said "the United States must reduce its dependence on Middle Eastern oil, and we must have a president who is willing to confront the Iranians, the Syrians, the Saudis, and others who send money to Hamas, and finance a worldwide network of fundamentalist schools which teach small children to hate Americans, Christians, and Jews."

Dean's campaign confirmed that the argument set out above—that American oil money finances terrorists, which is a good reason for oil independence—is indeed what he meant to say. Dean did not specify what roles Syria and Iran, which do not provide oil to the United States, play in that equation, but in more recent comments on the subject he usually just singles out Saudi Arabia.

"I find [it] problematic to talk only about the need to end dependence on Middle East oil," said Phyllis Bennis, a fellow at the Institute of Policy Studies and frequent writer on the Middle East. Bennis, who agrees that there is a need to talk about the Saudi government's ties to militant groups, nonetheless finds Dean's statement "an easy way to talk about the region, and [an] easy [way] to slip into an anti-Arab approach to it."

His Council on Foreign Relations remarks were simply a variation on his first major foreign policy address, at Drake University in February.

"Three decades after the 1973 OPEC oil embargo," he said, "the United States continues to consume 40 percent of the world's oil. That is a failure of American policy and an unacceptable danger to the American people. Because it means we are sending billions of dollars annually to countries financing radical educational systems that teach young people to hate Christians, Jews, and Americans. That is crazy, because we know these schools are prime recruiting grounds for terrorists."

"We're not dependent on oil from the Middle East because they've blackmailed us," said David Mack, vice president of the Middle East Institute. "The problem is our addiction to overconsumption of hydrocarbons."

Dean's commitment to energy conservation, renewable resources, and the environment is well known. But his attempts to link such efforts to national security strike some as opportunism.

"His description of Saudi Arabia is simplistic, but so is everybody else's," said Mack. "This is a cheap shot that all these politicians engage in."

Maybe the campaign is not yet getting sophisticated advice."If he becomes the nominee," said Gergen, "the heavyweights of foreign policy will gravitate toward him." And Gergen admits that as the "heavyweights" join the campaign, progressives will probably be left out in the cold.

"Dean's main foreign policy credential is his passion toward opposing the war and the drive toward empire,"said Bennis. "In that context, it matters what else he stands for."

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Early in his campaign, Dean stirred controversy discussing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Part of this, of course, is just the nature of debate about the conflict.

But much of the confusion stems from an interview he conducted with The Forward newspaper last fall. When asked to characterize his opinions on the Middle East, he said, "At one time the Peace Now view was important but now Israel is under enormous pressure. We have to stop terrorism before peace negotiations . . . I don't do things for political reasons. I'm very loyal to my friends."

Dean said that his views of the conflict "are much closer to AIPAC"—the hawkish American-Israel Public Affairs Committee— than to the Jewish coexistence lobby Peace Now.

Activists started an Internet petition to get Dean to explain his views, which they see as a troubling predictor of future foreign policy. Less scrutinized, but perhaps no less important, is his thumbnail ethnic analysis of the Palestinians.

"The Palestinians have assets that are often misunderstood," he said that day at the Council on Foreign Relations. "They have a high level of education. Palestinian women play a more significant role in government than in almost any other Arab society, and a large number of Palestinians have significant experience with democracy, having lived in Europe, the United States, and of course a million-strong Israeli-Arab population having lived in democracy for over 50 years."

It is possible to parse any politician's speeches and find mistakes, and there are those who say some of Dean's gaffes don't necessarily augur badly.

James Zogby, head of Washington's Arab-American Institute (AAI), says he was initially troubled by Dean's response to one of his questions at the Council on Foreign Relations. Zogby had asked Dean how he would handle comments from the religious right disparaging Arabs and Muslims. Dean replied that he would "stand up" against it but that he also felt "it should not have to be a white Christian president of the United States whose burden that is."

"We've got to ensure," he said, "that moderate Muslims everywhere stand up to the extremists and terrorists in their ranks."

In subsequent conversations with Dean, Zogby said the candidate apologized, and explained there was no ill intent. Dean will be speaking at an October AAI conference.

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Jacques Englestein found fault with Dean for "supporting Israel, but not supporting the Palestinians." He also criticized the candidate for not speaking out against the so-called separation wall—the wall the Israeli government is building ostensibly to deter attacks by militants. Many have accused the Sharon government of using the wall to annex more Palestinian land. Even George Bush, in a joint appearance with Palestinian prime minister Mahmoud Abbas, said, "It is very difficult to develop confidence [between the two sides] with a wall snaking through the West Bank."

"Security is a great thing," said Englestein. "But this is a land grab."

Publicly, Dean has said only that "some degree of separation between Israelis and Palestinians is probably necessary." He is expected to take a more defined stand on the issue.

And Englestein is optimistic that his group's presence at the rally and their attempts to contact the campaign may yet bear some fruit. "Our job here today," said Englestein, "is to make sure these ideas percolate up."

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The former governor from Vermont is a foreign policy work in progress. The broad strokes articulated in his speeches include a vision for the restoration of American multilateralism, increased international cooperation, respect for the global environment, and a bid to unify the world. Considered from a lofty perch, Dean promises a different world than the one delivered by George Bush and his colleagues in government.

But the devil, of course, is in the details. While Dean will spend the rest of his campaign focused squarely on the challenge to his right, the left certainly won't settle for a pretender.

"It is not progressive to say the Pentagon budget is off-limits to cuts," says Jeff Cohen, the communications director for Representative Dennis Kucinich, who is also running for president. In most polls, Kucinich trails the other Democratic candidates. "It's not progressive to say that you want more troops in Iraq, and that we're stuck there. It's not progressive to say the embargo on Cuba, which is an absurd policy which persisted for decades, should continue."

And while Dean's policies in the Middle East will continue to draw attention—and perhaps serve as a litmus test for his integrity—those invested in the region may well decide that Howard Dean, while not perfect, is the next best thing.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; dean; electionpresident; howarddean
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1 posted on 09/02/2003 1:26:32 PM PDT by dead
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To: dead
I wonder why he thinks he can get to the Right of Bush on this issue? The Vichycons may just yet discover their present bedfellows are not so loyal afterall. Wonder if it will be too late?
2 posted on 09/02/2003 1:29:12 PM PDT by JohnGalt (Don't leave the children on their own, no, no. Bring the Boys Back Home)
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To: JohnGalt
I wonder why he thinks he can get to the Right of Bush on this issue?

You have evidence that Dean thinks he can get to the right of Bush on this issue?

3 posted on 09/02/2003 1:37:46 PM PDT by dead (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!)
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To: dead
"If I were him, I'd veer away from the Middle East debate until he's forced into it,"

bwahahaha! It seems that is just about all he talks about.

4 posted on 09/02/2003 1:38:04 PM PDT by finnman69 ( !)
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To: dead; marron; Grampa Dave; dennisw
Usually the Lefties vent about Israel, and now apologizing for Saudi. I've seen this convergence more and more. I think it has to do with reflexive anti-Americanism, and tacit acknowledgment that Saudi is about as anti-American as they come, hence a natural ally. I also expect NGO and other front orgs, maybe the same getting money from France and Iraq during the "anti-war" demos might be sucking up to a new client - Saudi.

Anti-Americanism, with mini-rants about Israel may become the new benchmark of reflexive lefty identity politics expressed in foreign policy mythologies.
5 posted on 09/02/2003 1:43:57 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: dead
You mean besides this article?

Dean started on getting to the Right of Bush a full year ago:
http://www.forward.com/issues/2002/02.11.22/news3.html

"Dean said, "No, my view is closer to AIPAC's view."


Now of course, AIPAC is to the "Right" of Bush-- click on any of Yonif's threads for proof--and check out that nasty stuff they say about Bush.
6 posted on 09/02/2003 1:46:43 PM PDT by JohnGalt (Don't leave the children on their own, no, no. Bring the Boys Back Home)
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To: dead
A fashionably rabid anti-Jew, pro-"Palestinian" position is, sadly, de rigeur for the rank and file cattle of the political left nowadays -- the phone workers and the doorbell ringers and the envelope stuffers.

Dean doesn't have much room to scurry here, as the article makes clear.

This is only going to become increasingly problematical for him, troop loyalty-wise, as the primaries unfold.

The only significant difference between the German party loyalist of the late '30s and the Democratic Party activist of today, ultimately, is a slightly better album collection.

7 posted on 09/02/2003 2:02:34 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
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To: dead
Internet cash is a good way to be bought by foreign interests, a la Clinton, who used the more prosaic method of turning the White House into the Best Little Whorehouse in Washington rather than using Dean's more prosaic approach.

Somehow the gushing statement that he's gained "tens of thousands" of unhappy Democrat and Republican supporters practically overnight seems a BIT, well, SPUN.

8 posted on 09/02/2003 2:03:22 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: JohnGalt
Dean only stated that his views fall closer on the issue's spectrum to AIPAC's views than Peace Now's. One needn't get very far right to make that statement.

Dean never claimed to be to the right of Bush on the issue. And this article offered absolutely no proof that he is.

9 posted on 09/02/2003 2:07:43 PM PDT by dead (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"The only significant difference between the German party loyalist of the late '30s and the Democratic Party activist of today, ultimately, is a slightly better album collection"

Absolutely. The Democrat party has been taking it's plays from Ringler's Heart or Reason? What we Don't Want From Our Speakers (Ringler obviously went for heart over reason and so do "progressives")

A recent Rasmussen poll - I don't blame them for not having taken massive vote fraud into account - shows GW ahead of Dean 45% to 34%. Shame Dean's sheep are sending our tax money to his campaign.

10 posted on 09/02/2003 2:14:13 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: dead
Come on, you are not new to politics. Being on the right or left of an issue, a hawk or a dove, is merely a term to designate how a candidate is posturing. Dean will never say "I am getting to the Right of Bush on Israel;" that is simply not how politics works as if I needed to tell you.


There are numerous articles from anti-war conservatives and libertarians on the issue:

THE DEAN DECEPTION
The lying S.O.B.
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/justincol.html

Matt Baganier:
Candidate Dean Is a Warmonger
And other reasons to support his campaign
http://www.antiwar.com/barganier/barg-col.html

Anthony Gankarski:
A Tale of Two Democrats
Dean Knows the Road to the Presidency Runs Through AIPAC HQ
http://www.antiwar.com/gancarski/gan080803.html

As well as articles in leftwing journals:
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0226-04.htm


But let me ask, is it your basic contention that Dean is not trying to get to the Right of Bush on Israel? Then why did you post this article?
11 posted on 09/02/2003 2:19:29 PM PDT by JohnGalt (Don't leave the children on their own, no, no. Bring the Boys Back Home)
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To: JohnGalt
Being on the right or left of an issue, a hawk or a dove, is merely a term to designate how a candidate is posturing. Dean will never say "I am getting to the Right of Bush on Israel;" that is simply not how politics works as if I needed to tell you.

What are you talking about? You are the one who stated, “I wonder why he thinks he can get to the Right of Bush on this issue?” Of course he doesn’t think that. He doesn't want to do that. He will never state that. He doesn’t even want that idea to cross anybody's mind. I don’t even know why you made the ludicrous claim in the first place.

But let me ask, is it your basic contention that Dean is not trying to get to the Right of Bush on Israel? Then why did you post this article?

I thought it was funny and nonsensical. That's why I added my sarcastic comments to the title.

The very idea that Dean is a closet-moderate was silly enough to merit posting.

12 posted on 09/02/2003 2:27:22 PM PDT by dead (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!)
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To: JohnGalt
Plus, linking a Justin Raimondo article to prove your point is a bit counterproductive, unless you're dealing with somebody who shares his conviction that Mossad orchestrated the events of 911.
13 posted on 09/02/2003 2:29:41 PM PDT by dead (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!)
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To: dead
Can you link me to where Raimndo made that claim?

I have only recently read his piece in Chronicles which makes no such claim, but yet several Vichycons have suggested that Raimndo made this claim.

http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/Chronicles/August2003/0803CIA.html

Rather it looks he is just expanding on the Fox News report:

Carl Cameron 12/11/2001:
"Numerous classified documents obtained by Fox News indicate that even prior to September 11, as many as 140 other Israelis had been detained or arrested in a secretive and sprawling investigation into suspected espionage by Israelis in the United States. Investigators from numerous government agencies are part of a working group that’s been compiling evidence since the mid-90s. These documents detail hundreds of incidents in cities and towns across the country that investigators say—quote—“may well be an organized intelligence gathering activity.”
14 posted on 09/02/2003 3:33:18 PM PDT by JohnGalt (Don't leave the children on their own, no, no. Bring the Boys Back Home)
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To: dead
Because he is getting to the right of Bush on Israel. He backs the Likud policies more than Bush, therefore he is too the right. That has nothing to do with going on tv and saying "look see I am getting to the Right of Bush on Israel."

If your contention is that Dean does not want people to know about his position to the Right of Bush on Israel, that is just plain naive. It's part of a strategy (you do know professional run them there campaigns, eh?) to peel off Bush supporters. My question remains, why does he think this is a good strategy?

Dean is not a closet anything save that he is closet establishment.
15 posted on 09/02/2003 3:36:44 PM PDT by JohnGalt (Don't leave the children on their own, no, no. Bring the Boys Back Home)
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To: dead
"The very idea that Dean is a closet-moderate was silly enough to merit posting."

If Dean's a closet moderate, he's hiding it real well since he "came out" as a leftwing lunatic a long time ago.

16 posted on 09/02/2003 3:47:31 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: JohnGalt
Israelis can and do spy. They're the fingr, howver. In order for Dean to "get to the right" of Bush on Israel Dean would have to come out as a Zionist. A REAL Zionist. Hard to do when you're a hardcore Pali sympathizer.

Dean is doing nothing more than a bad Bill "Why, if I could, I'd be in the trenches of Israel with an AK47 in my hands" Clinton did after he screwed up any chance for peace in his lust for a Nobel Peace Prize and helped cause the latest intifada in 2000 impression.

17 posted on 09/02/2003 3:52:13 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: JohnGalt
Can you link me to where Raimndo made that claim?

Well, since Justin Raimondo is a totally gutless homo, I can not point to a specific sentence where he says “The Jews orchestrated 9/11."

His wimpy methods of hedging his comments are pathetic and comical. Since you seem to pride yourself on your lack of naïveté , see if you can read between the lines of this one:

BY WAY OF DECEPTION Israel pulls a fast one – and gets caught

"By way of deception, thou shalt do war" – a principle the Israelis have always lived up to. Juxtaposed against the mounting evidence – a recent series of reports in the German and British media depict Mossad agents in the U.S. living "next door to Mohammed Atta" – the exposure of this "false flag" operation draws the curtain on the terrorist enigma. This demonstrates that an Israeli connection to the worst terrorist atrocity in our history is not an "urban myth," as one Justice Department spokesperson put it, but a sinister and increasingly likely possibility.

In all the columns I've written on this subject, my thesis has been limited in scope. I've said only that the Israelis had a certain amount of foreknowledge – to what degree is not known – and failed to warn us. Not that they were behind 9/11. Nor am I saying that now. But I have a question: If the Israelis are running phony "Al Qaeda" cells in Palestine and Lebanon, why not in South Florida, or New York?…

But if Israel had some foreknowledge – or even a connection with – Al Qaeda in America, and not just the Palestinian "branch," then American rage will be directed at another target… Surely there is a dangerous sort of irony in the act of declaring a war, and then failing to see one of your opponents. It is a danger that patriots cannot fail to point out.

Can you tell me what you think he is trying to imply in that article?

BTW, he essentially rephrased that same stupid article about thirty times, and each time his message was exactly the same.

18 posted on 09/02/2003 7:31:35 PM PDT by dead (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!)
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To: dead
The same thing Carl Cameron reported: there is a relatively unreported story involving an Israeli spy network in the United States that was running tabs on the folks who proved to be the hijackers.

You are either being dishonest or you are earning your stripes today as a Vichycon.
19 posted on 09/03/2003 5:18:09 AM PDT by JohnGalt (Don't leave the children on their own, no, no. Bring the Boys Back Home)
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To: cake_crumb
That's a good point; Clinton played both sides of the Israeli right and left spectrum, where as Dean will have a tough time doing that credibily.

Perhaps a better or more accurate statement would be that Dean is trying to make nice with those on the Right of Israeli policy while maintaining his dove cache?
20 posted on 09/03/2003 5:19:53 AM PDT by JohnGalt (Don't leave the children on their own, no, no. Bring the Boys Back Home)
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