NO MORE CHRISTIAN NICE GUY: WHY BEING NICE--INSTEAD OF GOOD--HURTS MEN, WOMAN, & CHILDREN [BK REV]

BOOK OF ABOVE TITLE FROM BETHANY HOUSE PUBLISHER | 2005 | PAUL COUGHLIN; Review by Quix

[stands2reason]

So, because Christ was hostile, you should be? No matter the context?

Isn't he God? Does that mean Christians get to do whatever God does?

Aren't some things to be left to God?

Can God commit the sin of pride? No. But people can. You see the difference?

[Marysecretary]

Yes, the feminist movement has been sooo helpful to men, especially the children who are now being brought up in our government schools and liberal colleges. Another reason to send kids to Christian schools or homeschool them. Young men have been deceived into thinking that they don't have to be the heads of their households and they abandon such to their wives and 'girlfriends.'

[Quix]

Another reason to send kids to Christian schools or homeschool them. Young men have been deceived into thinking that they don't have to be the heads of their households and they abandon such to their wives and 'girlfriends.'

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INDEED!

And then when the women still rail at them, they walk away bewildered with an utter sense of abject failure and no clue as to what they could/should have done differently, more successfully. Very sad.

[Marysecretary]

Having been a secretary to a women's studies program at a liberal and well known and respected university, I agree with Quix. Women are being deceived today by the feminists into thinking they don't need a man, don't need to stay home and care for children because it's better to go out and work and make a living, don't need to submit to anyone, etc., etc. I'm sure you know the routine. There are also men in this movement who have become so whimpy that I don't know how a woman CAN respect them. But in my own experience, it's mostly women who run the show in that movement.

[.30Carbine]

I don't know how realistic it is to expect many men to shape up in the masculinity department when so many women are demanding that they do the opposite or are giving them maddening double messages about it. Men don't handle double messages well at all.

Perhaps you will agree with me that men should not be looking to women for their messages at all, but to God in His Spirit and His Word. I believe that is what the author of the book with which you started the thread is saying.

[.30Carbine]

I do not disagree with you, dear Mary, that women are the problem in the feminist movement. I did not think feminism was the focus of this particular thread, however.

[Quix]

Perhaps you will agree with me that men should not be looking to women for their messages at all, but to God in His Spirit and His Word. I believe that is what the author of the book with which you started the thread is saying.
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I would certainly agree with that.

But that's true for all of us in all our relationships on all issues--work, home, church . . .

[.30Carbine]

PS - I believe the term "Brood of Vipers" applies to anyone who goes around "biting and devouring" one another.

The tongue has the power of life and death, and those who love it will eat its fruit.
Proverbs 18:21

[Quix]

True, dear Mary.

But I think we are all right--as starting as that may be! LOL.

Yes, the women are complicit; a major factor in the dumbing down and wimping down of men. But they couldn't have achieved it without men's pied-piper allowing them to.

AND

We are all to look to Christ as our leader, model, standard, measure in all things and certainly in all our relationships.

[Quix]

I don't know if you can appreciate from a woman's perspective . . .

how DIFFICULT it is for most men--especially those growing up under the feminist cloud, heresy etc. . . .

how DIFFICULT it is for most men to keep their eyes fixed on Christ as their model WHEN THEIR VIRTUALLY ONLY emotionally significant relationship is with THEIR WOMAN--to whom they are affixed to varying degrees like a starved, sick, puppy dog desperate for any and all crumbs of affirmation and clue that he's doing at least a decent if not wonderful job. While the feminist polluted woman feel compelled to slap her man down and DISconfirm him at every turn in almost every way.

WHAT A SET-UP for shredding the home and family!

From the pit of hell.

And, dear sister, God Himself has decreed that the hubby SHOULD LISTEN to the wife else his prayers will not be heard.

So, it's easy to say and RIGHT to say--all of us should have our eyes fixed on Christ as our standard and model. Yet it's also fitting ot understand that BY DESIGN, men are overwhelmingly compelled, driven, set-up to care most intensely for how well or not they please, satisfy their woman.

[DieHard the Hunter]

Thanks for the post, .30Carbine. Some lonely lamenting lady in the article writes: > "Because we hardly raise men to be anything masculine anymore, we have at least two generations of men who have no clue what it means to be a 'man.' Hence too many guys are, as I have lamented many times on my radio program, males instead of men. "

(DieHard sees RED) This particular writer in this quote needs to get out more. Our Moms did a fine job raising our generation to be masculine. And we are well clued up on what it is to be manly, thanks. Wonder if that writer understands what it is to be feminine? (doubt it)

That writer missed out on my little brother by about a year, and me by about 15 years. And she's too early for my son by about 10 years. Same holds true for all our friends. There's still plenty few of us yet around, she's merely hanging around with no-hopers, losers and scroats.

Social Darwinianism is alive and well. Nothing unusual happening here, folks. Nothing to see. Move along.

Advice to that particular writer: stop hanging around the singles bars and supermarkets: you'll never find real men there, only scroats and no-hopers. Stop watching "Sex and the City": real life ain't like that, and you'll grow old lonely and miserable if you try living like they do. Stop playing bingo because you'll never get really lucky playing a mug's game.

Shed a few pounds if you can, or at least quit smoking. And lose the militant feminist attitude: we know women are equal yet different, and respect that: always have. Get some religion instead: it's much more attractive. *DieHard*

[DieHard the Hunter]

> Thanks for the post, .30Carbine.

Apologies, mis-attributed my response. Intended for Quix. Just goes to show...!

*DieHard*

[.30Carbine]

And we are well clued up on what it is to be manly, thanks.

Amen. You are one of the "manliest" manly men I know! (: I'm so glad you posted your response to the thread.

[.30Carbine]

And, dear sister, God Himself has decreed that the hubby SHOULD LISTEN to the wife else his prayers will not be heard.

Dear Quix, perhaps you are making reference to this passage...?

The husbands, in like manner, dwelling with [them], according to knowledge, as to a weaker vessel -- to the wife -- imparting honour, as also being heirs together of the grace of life, that your prayers be not hindered.
1 Peter 3:7 (Young's Literal Translation)

[Quix]

I think that's the one. I don't recall what translation I got my meaning from.

Thanks.

[Quix]

That writer is Dr Laura Schlessinger sp? and she gets a lot of her understanding of current social and psychological realities from the callers in to her radio show.

That is a very accurate reflection of at least a certain sizeable percentage of our nation sociologically, psychologically.

I'm glad you have several to cite on the other side. But please avoid underestimating the problem.

[DieHard the Hunter]

> That writer is Dr Laura Schlessinger sp? and she gets a lot of her understanding of current social and psychological realities from the callers in to her radio show.

Radio talk-back should also be avoided, just like singles-bars and supermarkets. No real men are going to pick over the scabs on their souls over the airwaves on radio talk-back. It just isn't done. Only pathetic no-hopers and losers will ever contribute to the discussion. That won't work!

> I'm glad you have several to cite on the other side. But please avoid underestimating the problem.

I don't see a problem. Like I said, Social Darwinianism is taking its toll. If Dr Laura needs a date or something, all she need do is stop being a wallflower and -- oh I dunno -- join the volunteer fire brigade or the RSPCA or the local Surf Lifesaving club. Help out at a soup kitchen or join the army. Or something. But nattering on talk-back radio about the (perceived) inadequacies of (some) modern males? Crikey! Can't think of a more depressing thing to do.

Counter-productive, in fact. Life's too short.

[ovrtaxt]

Hey, am I on that list? If not, please add me. Thx!

[ovrtaxt]

It's a side point, but I always found it fascinating that the woman's exchange with the serpent took place in Adam's presence, and she actually ate the fruit as he stood by. (Gen. 3:6)

He knew exactly what was going on, but the woman was deceived. He remained silent, and allowed it to play out. It was Adam's treason against God, and she was caught in the middle.

This subject of acting like a man instead of a wuss is rich ore for the church to mine. Our culture has left a big gaping wound out there, due to this "gentle, meek and mild" expectation of men. What a magnet to draw these hurting relationships into the Kingdom.

[Quix]

Dr Laura is on our side. She does a great job and helps millions of people. She is very happily married with a son in Iraq--I think a Marine.

I have nothing but praise for Dr Laura. She's also, I think, somewhat vulnerable to coming the rest of the way toward accepting Christ as her true Messiah. Prayers for her son and for her ministry are in order.