Skip to comments.The Gospel According to Mary Magdalene
Posted on 03/29/2008 8:24:03 PM PDT by hanfei
Chapter 4 (Pages 1 to 6 of the manuscript, containing chapters 1 - 3, are lost. The extant text starts on page 7...)
. . . Will matter then be destroyed or not?
22) The Savior said, All nature, all formations, all creatures exist in and with one another, and they will be resolved again into their own roots.
23) For the nature of matter is resolved into the roots of its own nature alone.
24) He who has ears to hear, let him hear.
25) Peter said to him, Since you have explained everything to us, tell us this also: What is the sin of the world?
26) The Savior said There is no sin, but it is you who make sin when you do the things that are like the nature of adultery, which is called sin.
27) That is why the Good came into your midst, to the essence of every nature in order to restore it to its root.
28) Then He continued and said, That is why you become sick and die, for you are deprived of the one who can heal you.
29) He who has a mind to understand, let him understand.
30) Matter gave birth to a passion that has no equal, which proceeded from something contrary to nature. Then there arises a disturbance in its whole body.
31) That is why I said to you, Be of good courage, and if you are discouraged be encouraged in the presence of the different forms of nature.
32) He who has ears to hear, let him hear.
33) When the Blessed One had said this, He greeted them all,saying, Peace be with you. Receive my peace unto yourselves.
34) Beware that no one lead you astray saying Lo here or lo there! For the Son of Man is within you.
35) Follow after Him!
36) Those who seek Him will find Him.
37) Go then and preach the gospel of the Kingdom.
38) Do not lay down any rules beyond what I appointed you, and do not give a law like the lawgiver lest you be constrained by it.
39) When He said this He departed.
Chapter 5 1) But they were grieved. They wept greatly, saying, How shall we go to the Gentiles and preach the gospel of the Kingdom of the Son of Man? If they did not spare Him, how will they spare us?
2) Then Mary stood up, greeted them all, and said to her brethren, Do not weep and do not grieve nor be irresolute, for His grace will be entirely with you and will protect you.
3) But rather, let us praise His greatness, for He has prepared us and made us into Men.
4) When Mary said this, she turned their hearts to the Good, and they began to discuss the words of the Savior.
5) Peter said to Mary, Sister we know that the Savior loved you more than the rest of woman.
6) Tell us the words of the Savior which you remember which you know, but we do not, nor have we heard them.
7) Mary answered and said, What is hidden from you I will proclaim to you.
8) And she began to speak to them these words: I, she said, I saw the Lord in a vision and I said to Him, Lord I saw you today in a vision. He answered and said to me,
9) Blessed are you that you did not waver at the sight of Me. For where the mind is there is the treasure.
10) I said to Him, Lord, how does he who sees the vision see it, through the soul or through the spirit?
11) The Savior answered and said, He does not see through the soul nor through the spirit, but the mind that is between the two that is what sees the vision and it is [...]
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Chapter 8: . . . it.
10) And desire said, I did not see you descending, but now I see you ascending. Why do you lie since you belong to me?
11) The soul answered and said, I saw you. You did not see me nor recognize me. I served you as a garment and you did not know me.
12) When it said this, it (the soul) went away rejoicing greatly.
13) Again it came to the third power, which is called ignorance.
14) The power questioned the soul, saying, Where are you going? In wickedness are you bound. But you are bound; do not judge!
15) And the soul said, Why do you judge me, although I have not judged?
16) I was bound, though I have not bound.
17) I was not recognized. But I have recognized that the All is being dissolved, both the earthly things and the heavenly.
18) When the soul had overcome the third power, it went upwards and saw the fourth power, which took seven forms.
19) The first form is darkness, the second desire, the third ignorance, the fourth is the excitement of death, the fifth is the kingdom of the flesh, the sixth is the foolish wisdom of flesh, the seventh is the wrathful wisdom. These are the seven powers of wrath.
20) They asked the soul, Whence do you come slayer of men, or where are you going, conqueror of space?
21) The soul answered and said, What binds me has been slain, and what turns me about has been overcome,
22) and my desire has been ended, and ignorance has died.
23) In a aeon I was released from a world, and in a Type from a type, and from the fetter of oblivion which is transient.
24) From this time on will I attain to the rest of the time, of the season, of the aeon, in silence.
Chapter 9 1) When Mary had said this, she fell silent, since it was to this point that the Savior had spoken with her.
2) But Andrew answered and said to the brethren, Say what you wish to say about what she has said. I at least do not believe that the Savior said this. For certainly these teachings are strange ideas.
3) Peter answered and spoke concerning these same things.
4) He questioned them about the Savior: Did He really speak privately with a woman and not openly to us? Are we to turn about and all listen to her? Did He prefer her to us?
5) Then Mary wept and said to Peter, My brother Peter, what do you think? Do you think that I have thought this up myself in my heart, or that I am lying about the Savior?
6) Levi answered and said to Peter, Peter you have always been hot tempered.
7) Now I see you contending against the woman like the adversaries.
8) But if the Savior made her worthy, who are you indeed to reject her? Surely the Savior knows her very well.
9) That is why He loved her more than us. Rather let us be ashamed and put on the perfect Man, and separate as He commanded us and preach the gospel, not laying down any other rule or other law beyond what the Savior said.
10) And when they heard this they began to go forth to proclaim and to preach.
The Gospel According to Mary
I’m getting my popcorn now. :)
If that’s the gospel, it’s bad news, not good. Makes the God of the universe sound like any two-bit buddhist.
So who wrote this?
There isn’t one, really.
There’s nothing wrong with the catholicos gospels; it’s just good to have more. Athanasius wasn’t divine; Jesus was.
Gueesing from all of the "los" someone from the King James era.....
It’s very old; author is unclear, but is purportedly — far from certain — Mary Magdalene or Mary.
Thanks. What language was it originally written and who did then translating to what I just read in the English?
You forgot to add gnosticism to the keywords!
I'm entertained when Catholics accuse others of Gnosticism.
Since Mar 12, 2008
Information on Gospel of Mary
Estimated Range of Dating: 120-180 C.E.
In her introduction in The Complete Gospels, Karen King names the manuscripts available for the Gospel of Mary, “Only three fragmentary manuscripts are known to have survived into the modern period, two third-century fragments (P. Rylands 463 and P. Oxyrhynchus 3525) published in 1938 and 1983, and a longer fifth-century Coptic translation (Berolinensis Gnosticus 8052,1) published in 1955.”
King goes on to make these text-critical observations:
There are, moreover, some important variations between the Greek and Coptic manuscripts. The translation which follows gives preference to the Greek fragments over the Coptic because they are earlier and are written in the original language of the text, and also because the Coptic variants reflect theological tendencies that arguably belong to a later time. For example, the Greek fragments seem to presume that the leadership of Mary Magdalene as a woman is not under debate; only her teaching is challenged. Changes in the Coptic version, however, point toward a situation in which women’s leadership as such is being challenged and requires defense. The changes in the text may reflect the historical exclusion of women from their earlier leadership roles in Christian communities.
King states that the theology of the Gospel of Mary is as follows:
. . . the Gospel of Mary communicates a vision that the world is passing away, not toward a new creation or a new world order, but toward the dissolution of an illusory chaos of suffering, death, and illegitimate domination. The Savior has come so that each soul might discover its own true spiritual nature, its “root” in the Good, and return to the place of eternal rest beyond the constraints of time, matter, and false morality.
The Gospel of Mary exalts Mary Magdalene over the male disciples of Jesus. The Gospel of Mary provides important information about the role of women in the early church.
In her introduction in The Nag Hammadi Library, Karen King makes these observations:
The confrontation of Mary with Peter, a scenario also found in The Gospel of Thomas, Pistis Sophia, and The Gospel of the Egyptians, reflects some of the tensions in second-century Christianity. Peter and Andrew represent orthodox positions that deny the validity of esoteric revelation and reject the authority of women to teach. The Gospel of Mary attacks both of these positions head-on through its portrayal of Mary Magdalene. She is the Savior’s beloved, possessed of knowledge and teaching superior to that of the public apostolic tradition. Her superiority is based on vision and private revelation and is demonstrated in her capacity to strengthen the wavering disciples and turn them toward the Good.
The terminus ad quem is set by the third century manuscripts that attest to the Gospel of Mary. The use of the term Savior for Jesus and the Gnostic theology in the Gospel of Mary suggest a dating in the second century.
Come and get it!
One persons heresies are another persons jokes.
Are you implying that this is considered a canonical gospel by the Catholic Church?
If so, you a terribly mistaken. The Church rejected this, and the other works shown on the site you pulled this from, many, many moons ago.
What does that mean? Catholics and the Orthodox are as opposite from the Gnostic heresy as one can get. Only some of the Protestant groups approach it, and even they do so only to a small degree (though one can argue that Mormons are pretty much modern Gnostics, but they aren’t even Protestants I would argue).
Why?? There is no "secret knowledge" in Catholic beliefs. Ninety-nine percent of Catholic doctrines are far more Biblically based than Protestant ones. Christ himself taught from "tradition-based" (non-written) Jewish religious sources.
So it is not "good to have more" writings. This stuff is not Christianity; to insist otherwise is to hopelessly garble the message. Dig deeper. Don't settle for being a mere controvertialist. If you think Jesus was divine, then investigate the criteria for authentic Scripture that the early Church demanded. When you do, you will run away from the idea that the "Gospel of Mary Magdalene" is anything other than a book written by people who sought to parallel Christianity, but who were definitely confused enough to be outside the fold entirely.
Gnosticism started way before Christianity and the Apostle Paul was up to his ears in it.
Sorry, but your shorthand reply is gibberish, and I still have no clue as to what point you're trying to make. The doctrines of the RC church are open to anyone to read/understand.
His disciples said to Him, "When will the kingdom come?"
Jesus said, "It will not come by expectation; they will not say "look here" or "see there". But the kingdom of the Father is spread over the earth, and men do not see it." --from The Gospel of Thomas
I understand their doctrine and their denial. Thanx for playing.
Err, how about a link?
It is not clear how old any of the gospels are, though some material (the so-called “Q” material) is undoubtedly old, whether one believes the “Sayings Gospel Q” theory or not. (I don’t, though I posted Q for people to see much of the old material in pristine form).
Early Christianity was quite varied. I don’t believe in the Nicene Creed.
ZOT for this post alone.
Well the material is taken out of the context of the New Testament so yes, in that respect, it's old. But the so-called 'Gospel of Q' is a mere academic hypothesis first posited by Herbert Marsh in 1801 and ergo is NOT that old.
I dont believe in the Nicene Creed.
Too bad: it's the perfect succinct summa of authentic orthodox Christianity.
This is a gnostic text dating to around A.D. 150 at the earliest. Very similar to other texts like the Gospel of Judas and Thomas. There is a reason these texts did not make the canon of Sacred Scripture.
I agree there is reason why these texts did not make the canon of Sacred Scripture.... but they are interesting to read this day in light of what did get canonized. At 150 A.D. dating, makes it impossible for Mary Magdalene, or any other person living at the time Christ walked in the flesh to have been the author.
“The changes in the text may reflect the historical exclusion of women from their earlier leadership roles in Christian communities.”
Okay, not a scholar here. Is there some firm basis for believing that women had “leadership roles,” despite Corinthians 14:34: “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law?”
I don’t remember any talk about women having “leadership roles” until the sixties and after.
Ah, I see---living up to your "nom de plume". But I seriously doubt that either is true. And I'm NOT playing---though you seem to be.
Oh I think you are.
Doesn’t take more than one reading to figure out that the guy talking about “restoring the essence of every nature to its root” is not the same guy as the one in the real Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, my Lord and Savior.
“Theres nothing wrong with the catholicos gospels; its just good to have more.”
Even the Catholics deny the Gnostic gospels. You have no point but division.
No, actually I'm not. I'm interested in finding where the truth sits. If you think you've got some, trot it out, otherwise sit down and shut up. I don't have time for sophomoric head games.
The Catholics also deny the Orthodox Trinity, mass-murdered Copto-Armenians, and call Augustin their greatest saint while denying his teachings (enter Calvin). So what?
>>Its very old; author is unclear, but is purportedly far from certain Mary Magdalene or Mary.<<
Whenever I see something like this, I apply the following:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
What really irritates me about Catholicism is that it denies MY sainthood!
Soon, it will have to admit the non-Prophet Muhammad, or the poor dears won’t get churches in Saudi Arabia.
Oh I think you do. You started them.
Good heavens, and people think this mish mash is a valid gospel?
Really?? Please point out precisely where in any of my postings on this thread I did any such.
You made the statement "Gnosticism started way before Christianity and the Apostle Paul was up to his ears in it." And I asked for a clarification of what you were referring to, as you replied to post #20, which was actually Beachdwellers (not mine)--but you included me in your reply for some unknown reason.
So, I'll say it again---if you think you have something true to add to the discussion, post it. Otherwise shut up.
The earliest dating I've seen is the middle of the second century. Old, but not old enough to have been written by any Mary that walked with Jesus while he was on earth.
During the second and third centuries, what we would call 'new agers' today began popping up and attempted to hi-jack the true gospel. That is what caused the church to conduct councils (i.e. the Council of Nicea).They wanted to come together and reiterate in a formal way what the church had believed since its inception.
You shut up.
Hey Buckaroo. I mearly mentioned Paul was neck deep in gnosticism and you referred to my "shorthand" as "gibberish". Shouldn't have taken that tone with me dude. And then start the babyish "shut up" routine. What a thin skinned poster you are.
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