Prophecy is on Fast-Forward

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[Melchior]

The Church fathers never had a problem with Acts. They did with Revelation. Check your early Church history.

[Melchior]

Indeed the early Church fathers did pick and choose what would comprise the New Testament. It was a close call on the Gospel of Thomas, just as Revelation had its detractors.

[Melchior]

That is precisely what a Muslim would say of the Kuran — a dream-sequence related by Muhammid to the scribes.

[Star Traveler]

You said — That is precisely what a Muslim would say of the Kuran — a dream-sequence related by Muhammid to the scribes.

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Of course..., you’re right in that any “made-up” religion can attempt to validate itself by making false claims for itself. The difference comes in when you *test* the claims and the purported facts in those writings with real-world facts. And that’s where the Bible comes out on top. In all areas where the facts have been able to be checked the Bible is right. And in lots of instances for the Bible, things which were not true at one time, became true later (archeological evidence subsequently found and/or, for example, the re-establishment of the nation of Israel in its same homeland, after almost 2,000 years of being destroyed).

[Melchior]

Can Revelation be proven by “real world facts”? I think not. It is not one of the four great books, whose history is indisputable.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for the ping to all the prophecy v current events articles!

And I apologize for my absence – there is so much going on, I can’t juggle things around to comment every time I’d like to.

IMHO, most of us whose spiritual discernment of Scripture is that Christ will fulfill the prophecy of an earthy 1,000 reign on earth before establishing the new heaven and new earth do see “signs of the times” ever increasingly in current events.

Those would include worldwide economic solutions, increasing global governance, an administration that might succeed in creating a peace treaty making Jerusalem an international city to host Judaism, Islam and Christianity and so on.

And, IMHO, at the top of the list is a spreading spiritual darkness which subordinates God in the minds of many.

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. – 2 Timothy 3:1-5

Obama’s religious affiliation is “liberation theology” which inverts the two commandments on which all the law and prophets hang. Instead of loving God surpassingly above all else, and as a distant second, loving our neighbors as ourselves – it has love of neighbor surpassingly above all else, including love of God. It is a form of godliness with no power and it deceives many.

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. – Matthew 22:37-40

And by my understanding of Scripture, the tribulation is due most any time now.

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. – Genesis 2:17

And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. – Genesis 5:5

The Jews and early Christians literally believe a day to God is a 1,000 years from man’s perspective (Sanhedrin 97a; Avodah Zarah Sa):

For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night. – Psalms 90:4

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. - 2 Peter 3:8

I submit that the number of days of Creation week are directly tied to Biblical prophesy. Namely, that Adamic man has been allotted a week – 7,000 years. The seventh day is the Sabbath, the 1,000 years Christ will reign on earth fulfilling the Jewish prophesy of an earthy Messiah ruling Israel at peace with its neighbors. IOW, the Sabbath is also a prophecy:

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ. - Colossians 2:16-17

And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. – Mark 2:27-28

We can see this belief among the early Christians in the Epistle of Barnabas (not to be confused with the Gospel of Barnabas, a late sixteenth century pro-Islam fraud.) The epistle is thought to be written in the first few centuries after the Resurrection of Jesus. It is an ancient belief:

Of the Sabbath He speaketh in the beginning of the creation; And God made the works of His hands in six days, and He ended on the seventh day, and rested on it, and He hallowed it. Give heed, children, what this meaneth; He ended in six days. He meaneth this, that in six thousand years the Lord shall bring all things to an end; for the day with Him signifyeth a thousand years; and this He himself beareth me witness, saying; Behold, the day of the Lord shall be as a thousand years.

Therefore, children, in six days, that is in six thousand years, everything shall come to an end. And He rested on the seventh day. this He meaneth; when His Son shall come, and shall abolish the time of the Lawless One, and shall judge the ungodly, and shall change the sun and the moon and the stars, then shall he truly rest on the seventh day.

Yea and furthermore He saith; Thou shalt hallow it with pure hands and with a pure heart. If therefore a man is able now to hallow the day which God hallowed, though he be pure in heart, we have gone utterly astray. But if after all then and not till then shall we truly rest and hallow it, when we shall ourselves be able to do so after being justified and receiving the promise, when iniquity is no more and all things have been made new by the Lord, we shall be able to hallow it then, because we ourselves shall have been hallowed first.

Finally He saith to them; Your new moons and your Sabbaths I cannot away with. Ye see what is His meaning ; it is not your present Sabbaths that are acceptable [unto Me], but the Sabbath which I have made, in the which, when I have set all things at rest, I will make the beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another world.

Wherefore also we keep the eighth day for rejoicing, in the which also Jesus rose from the dead, and having been manifested ascended into the heavens. - chapter 15:3-9

So the tribulation could begin most any time (if it hasn’t already) – or it could be a few centuries away, depending on how one figures the number of years that have elapsed since Adam became mortal.

But I do not worry about the tribulation. I do not dread it. When it comes, the rebellion will end as it should, as it must.

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39

Maranatha, Jesus!!!

[Uri’el-2012]

I don't think that anyone's maintaining that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday. It's just that Sunday is the Lord's day, being the day he rose from the grave.

That is one way of looking at it.

Another way is that Yah'shua rose on the day
following the Shabbat following Pesach
which is the YHvH commanded Feast of First Fruits.

It begins just after sundown after Shabbat(Saturday evening).

The YHvH commanded Feast runs for seven weeks plus one day,
and it ends on the other YHvH commanded Feast of Shavuot ( Pentecost)

See Leviticus 23 for details.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[Star Traveler]

Only God, Himself, knows the end from the beginning — which happens to be the *verification* for Scripture. And since all things for the future haven’t happened yet, you’ll have to wait for the verification on certain parts of Scripture.

You’ll note that I said, previously, “In all areas where the facts have been able to be checked the Bible is right.”

Some facts are future, and will await their *actual occurrence* for verification (in the same way that Jesus’ coming was “future” at the time before He arrived on earth the first time). These events in Revelation are also “future” (for us..., just as events were future for those people back in history at the time of His first coming). And these are events for Jesus Christ’s second coming.

For those parts which have already happened, we have the proof.

So, you’ll get your proof, when God’s pronouncements about the “future” become the “present”... :-)

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And, once again, you’ve got the same “mentality” of others (too) — which indicates that “mankind” gets to pick and choose what is okay for God to say and what He shouldn’t say. Sorry, all of Scripture is God’s word, whatever books He had His hand in being written.

[Star Traveler]

And the eighth day is the day of renewal... :-)

[Radix]

..."Check your early Church history."

Early Church history would certainly include the Acts of the Apostles.

Over the next 2-3 centuries there certainly was a lot of "interpretation" of what Luke wrote by persons who were not even born at the time of the Acts. Certainly a careful reading of Acts would make evident some of the problems that developed over the 20 plus decades until Nicaea and other Councils.

The fact that one would suggest that the Book of Revelation ought to be considered as not a legitimate part of the Canon is indicative of the sort of problems that "The Church" has these days.

Hey if your right eye offends thee, then pluck it out.

[Alamo-Girl]

Indeed. Thank you for sharing your insights, dear Star Traveler!

[Iscool]

The Church fathers would have been wise to omit Revelation from the Bible. It is a tiresome dream-screed open to a million interpretations.

Boy, they sure got you hood-winked...

The fact that your church stuck Revelation into it's own bible when they didn't even believe what it said ought to open some eyes...God said HE would preserve HIS scripture whether your church agreed or not...Your church had no choice but to put Revelation in it's bible...

[Quix]

Thanks for your kind, substantive and thoughtful msg.

Always appreciate your thinking and pondering which is unfailingly Biblical.

. . . though in this case . . . you seem to have . . . unless I missed it . . . handily slid by the

GREAT SNATCH

issue!

LUB

[Iscool]

Quix I will be honest with you the main problem I have with the pre trib is that it makes bastard children of God out of the tribulation saints, Here you have a group who have been caught up in the air and become the Bride of Christ who may have or may have not ever seen any persecution in their lives and they are the bride. And then you have them who endured till the end did not take the mark of the beast who endured persecutions the whole tribulation period and they are not the bride? They become bastard children? Not in my book.

Then you've got the wrong book...

It is not just those that are Raptured that become the Bride of Christ...It includes all Christians who have passed on before them...

Those that were 'left behind', were left behind because they did not accept Jesus as their Saviour while they had the opportunity...If they accept Jesus as their Saviour during the Tribulation, they will not be bastards...They will not be part of the Bride of Christ...They will be friends of the Bride and Groom...They will make it to heaven, but not as the Bride...

Although there were many Christian martyrs in times past, I suspect most Christians thru-out history died of disease or bad health (old age) of one sort or another...They will be with us at the Rapture...

[Iscool]

One fellow I read . . . wrote as I’d often wondered about . . . that there might be 3-4 or more. . . . a kind of gleaning as the sheaves of grain become . . . ripe.

The bible refers to it as the firstfruits, the (main) harvest-Rapture, and then the gleanings...

[JesusBmyGod]

Absolutely excellent post! Amen.

[Alamo-Girl]

Always appreciate your thinking and pondering which is unfailingly Biblical. . . . though in this case . . . you seem to have . . . unless I missed it . . . handily slid by the GREAT SNATCH issue!

Hmmm... I thought I have made myself clear on the point for a long time now.

I am pre-wrath based on the following passages:

Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. - Revelation 3:10

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, - I Ths 5:9

And this parable:

Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five [were] foolish.

They that [were] foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

But the wise answered, saying, [Not so]; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. - Matthew 25:1-13

My discernment concerning the parable is tied to the candlesticks in Revelation 1-3 and the Sermon on the Mount reference to lamps - that by loving God surpassing above all else, yielding to the indwelling Spirit - a Christian will be ready to be raptured. The ones who were chosen for Him and knew better but were unprepared will have to endure at least some of the tribulation (Rev 7:14).

But I would not venture a guess as to when exactly the rapture will occur, pre or mid trib - just pre-wrath.

Maranatha, Jesus!!!

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your encouragements, dear brother in Christ!

[Melchior]

Please re-read my response. I stated there was no problem with Acts. I stated and continue to state that the early Church fathers had a problem with Revelation. I have a problem with Revelation. I feel sure that this pleases some who would have God take away my share in the tree of life. So be it.

[Melchior]

Did God tell us to place the Apocrypha in the Bible?