Skip to comments.Was Jesus a Socialist?
Posted on 05/03/2009 9:53:16 AM PDT by OneVike
It has been the aim of the Democrat party since they lost the Presidential election in 2004 to subvert the Christian doctrine with the claim that Jesus was a socialist. Their goal is to convince Christians that their Social agenda is morally equivalent with the teachings and life of Jesus Christ. Considering the lack of historical and Biblical knowledge most Americans have, it is not surprising that many have fallen for the misinformation on what Jesus taught (and for whom the teachings were given). These Biblical revisionists have become especially adept at cherry picking Scripture to suit their agenda. Hence, many have come to misunderstand the gospel of Christ by equating it with modern day Socialism.
My first point of contention with the idea that Christ was a socialist, is His teachings and the example of His life. Throughout the time that Christ lived with His disciples, He never worked. Instead he was dependent upon the charity and good hearts of those who surrounded Him. Now that is not to say Jesus was lazy or a bum either. Jesus was always about His Fathers business, and that business was the salvation of mankind. Nowhere in the Scriptures will you find Jesus telling His followers to rely upon anyone except those who were willing to hear the gospel and share what they had. If the people refused to hear the gospel or be charitable, Jesus told His disciples to rebuke them and go to others who were willing to hear the teachings, as when He sent them out by pairs. (Matthew chapter 10)
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I cant believe how dumb people are.
Jesus said that the CHURCH should be the head of all things
NOT the State
When people brought all their belongings in to live as common, they brought their goods to the Apostles, NOT the Romans
This isn’t a new effort, they’ve been creeping up through the main denominations for decades.
I will say this again:
If Jesus returned right now, he wouldn’t go anyplace NEAR Washington, DC.
Very few Priests know anything about economics, and even less about Subsidiarity, though the concept IS in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Very few people understand the doctrine of Subsidiarity, but Socialism is CONTRARY to Christianity.
Christians are to differentiate themselves from the world (others, different from then, unsaved), put a wall around themselves, come out from among them, and preach/teach them into heaven, salvation
None of which was ever really questioned nor hated (on as mass a scale as witnesed today) until more recent times.
We're supposed to love our enemies (not kiss them), but make the academic, intellectual decision to accept them as God's creation but not necesarilly His children.
I disagree. Let's examine the facts of just WHO Jesus hung around with when he was here:
And lest we forget he forgave prostitutes, adulterers, the tax collectors, murderers and more.
I happen to think Jesusu would go right to Washington DC. Just look at what a bunch of heathen-bastards are running the place!!
(I post that comment in all seriousness.)
Is any one else gettibng sick and tired of this old crap?
Socialism is a manmade politic system contruct. It is of the world, not of the WORD.
So as it has always been the answer to the silly question is NO.
So the left goes from arguing Jesus didn’t exist, to Jesus wasn’t killing by the Romans, to Jesus wasn’t raised, to Jesus was a socialist.
Cmon stop already my head is spinning.
I disagree. God is a CAPITALIST. There are more references to MONEY in the Bible than anything else including LOVE and FORGIVENESS.
There are more than 1,500 references to wealth and money in the Bible, which is more than double anything else including Love and Forgiveness.
By the way, how else do we know that God is a CAPITALIST? We need to look no further than his Son, Jesus Christ who admonished us to teach men to fish, rather than simply feeding them for a day.
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I”m sorry but you are wrong. You forget the sin against the Holy Ghost, it is unforgiveable. That is Washington DC.
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Early Christians were communal, but with a belief in God, obviously, unlike Communists.
Jesus' admonishment was for men to fish for other men to learn the Gospel and be saved ... some of His disciples were already fishermen of fish ... they needed no training from a carpenter, but they sure needed a few clues from God about spiritual matters.
Have a nice life!
Wasn’t there a man and wife who died instantly when they didn’t give 100% of their money to the Apostles? That’s taxation Democrats would love (not applicable to themselves, of course).
No, Christ would not have approved of socialism in any way shape or form. A system whereby individuals earn their pay and the legal structure fights immorality and abuses would be His preference, I would imagine. One of the 19th century popes, Leo XIII, laid it out beautifully in an encyclical, Rerum Novarum in 1891 (http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13rerum.htm). I really wish all Catholics knew this.
“If anything, God is a populist.
I disagree. God is a CAPITALIST. There are more references to MONEY in the Bible than anything else including LOVE and FORGIVENESS.”
There are more than 1,500 references to wealth and money in the Bible, which is more than double anything else including Love and Forgiveness.
By the way, how else do we know that God is a CAPITALIST? We need to look no further than his Son, Jesus Christ who admonished us to teach men to fish, rather than simply feeding them for a day.”
So you say he’s a Capitalist by virtue of what Jesus Christ said? Well, how about the Sermon on the Mount? “Woe unto you who are rich...”. Uh, that sounds more like a class envious redistributionist - excatly like Obama! LOL LOL LOL.
Religion is NOT Capitalistic, period. Religions do not encourage Individualism - it requires subserviance to God. And in this case “God” is manifested in any Religions hierarchy: a Pope, An Elder, A Pastor, or an Ayatollah - all of whom claim to speak for God. It requires altruism from all of us, only instead of sacrificng to The State Moral Code of Collectivism, we’re instead told to sacrifice to A Religious Moral Code of Collectivism. Religion, should anyone choose to follow it, is free to do so personally. But it should have no bearing or relevance as a guide to morality of an entire cultrue. The minute Religion starts attempting to shape political agendas - like abortion policy, where or whether the Ten Commandments need to be placed, or trying to outlaw gay marriage (or homosexuality as such), then there is substantively no difference between The Church’s Dictates and The State’s Dictates. Instead of arguing of whether a Master is to be served, Political Conservatives argue over WHICH Master to serve. But in neither case is Individual Freedom upheld as the Highest Moral Standard.
He didn't take the rich-man’s fortune, he gave that choice to the owner of the fortune, thus justifying private property.
And the tithe was based upon a tax base that considered anything higher than 3% to be obscene.
The entire notion of “being a good steward” to strengthen your family and to be an asset to your community runs directly in the face of the government confiscating your earnings, making you dependent upon the government, and then blowing that money through socialized programs that inevitably fail and destroy the ability of hard workers to earn future wealth, thus killing the goose that lays the golden egg.
For those who are interested, the infiltration of Socialism into Christian churches occurred (ASTONISHINGLY) at the same time that socialism was being pushed out into governmental policy. And (ASTONISHINGLY) they both had the same source: academe.
It was at this point that certain doctrines of the New Testament (aiding the poor, forsaking wealth and materialism) were reinterpreted and amplified to be used as a theological basis for pushing Socialism.
Socialism has been in the pulpit for as long as Wilson was “patient zero” for introducing the “swine-flu” of political and economic ideology directly into a major political party. He was the organism that successfully transmitted the disease from the pigs into the average man.
I'm still researching who played that role in the church, but so far I'm leaning toward Bishop G. Bromley Oxnam, early policy chairman for the Federal Council of Churches in Christ, which later became a major force in forming the World Council of Churches, a “religious” organization that, despite its pastors with deeply sympathetic eyes and empathetic lip-biting, is as red as you can get.
The Federal Council of Churches should not be confused with the American Council of Churches, which was a fundamentalist response to the politicizing of the pulpit.
Bromley was a communist/socialist. Wikipedia defends him, as they always do, by saying he was accused but defended himself. His record speaks for itself. He fought for Socialist revolution in America through religion. He aided Spanish communists. That he used sophistry to defend himself does not make him any less of a communist/socialist than he was.
I agree, he’d go right to DC, but only after he spoke to San Francisco. In his absence, we are to do His work.
What was Jesus politically?.. He was/is/will be A KING...
He is a monarchist.. he owns literally everything, including the voters..
From the fartherest galazy even all the way to Detroit, Jesus OWNS it all..
Jesus evens OWNS Washington D.C..
Yes..Ananias and Saphira in Acts Chapter 5. They sold land and kept back a portion but they lied that they sold it all. They lied to the Holy Spirit and thats why they died.
PS. The early Christians gave possessions to the church and not the state. HUGE difference!
Lighten up, Francis.
There are more than 1,500 references to money in the Bible, both old and new testament. For every verse you may find that talks about the 'evils' of money or the mismanagement of it, I can probably find one that says something different.
Religions do not encourage Individualism - it requires subserviance to God. And in this case God is manifested in any Religions hierarchy: a Pope, An Elder, A Pastor, or an Ayatollah - all of whom claim to speak for God. It requires altruism from all of us, only instead of sacrificng to The State Moral Code of Collectivism
I see you're either an atheist or agnostic. Sorry, I'm not debating someone who's mind is already closed.
I dunno, I think Washington DC is worse. But then, I've never been to San Francisco. ;-)
Reputation alone, I was thinking. I think he’d be hard pressed today to choose between cities. So much work! So little time!
No, He wasn’t. He was a preacher and a healer who happened to have a band of followers who traveled with him. The poor and the sick came to Him, and He worked with what He had.
Although I have heard a rumor that He smoked some medical marijuana just after they nailed Him to the cross.
This came up in Bible study last Sabbath during a study on the book of Acts. Some use the fact that everyone was selling everything and giving it to the church as evidence of socialism/communism. But here:
Acts 3 6 But Peter said, Silver and gold have I none, but what I have I give you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk!
Peter says he has no money to give the beggar. A very strange statement for the leader of a church who should have had access to quite a large pile of dough at this point in history.
Jesus came to make ALL religion obsolete, AND DID...
"You MUST be born again"- Jesus
Some are, some are not..
You either have Him in your heart or you don’t. You shouldn’t use Him to advance a personal political agenda (not talking about you, hosepipe, just certain other folks, left and right).
I think we’ve had this conversation.
In my heart I believe that the LAST thing The Lord would have pushed for is a Leviathan Statist Nanny that takes the place of the Kingdom of God in the hearts of men.
“I happen to think Jesusu would go right to Washington DC. Just look at what a bunch of heathen-bastards are running the place!!”
Except when Jesus returns it will be to collect believers. Its currently our job to go among those and spread his Word.
Literally EVERYONE is a preacher...
All are preaching loudly something by what they do, or do not, do..
What comes out our mouths(or pen) has some minor impact..
Socialism as an ideology sounds wonderful but in practical application it fails miserably. When the first Pilgrims settled here they brought their European socialism and they literally starved and suffered great lack. When it was decided to let each family farm its own crops then the bounty increased. This led to what we celebrate as Thanksgiving! I heard this taught in a sermon by the late Dr. D. James Kennedy.
The point is that central planning has to have absolute control over the economy and know the desires of the people. Hayek discusses this in "The Road to Serfdom".
But it is today's socialist/statist who presumes to know the right thing to do for a myriad of people and their wants and desires, and that in and of itself is an attempt for man to be God. It requires total control. By definition that violates the 1st commandment - "You shall not have any gods before Me."
Jesus, on the other hand, is the only Person who is qualified to be that leader. And that is what Scripture talks about: mankind needs a perfect King, and Jesus is that King. Jesus is God.
Willingly or unwillingly, every knee will bow before Him in the future.
Socialism - “Any of various political philosophies that support social and economic equality, collective decision-making, and public control of productive capital and natural resources, as advocated by socialists”
Jesus never supported any such socialism!
Jesus preached and taught to INDIVIDUALS — that individuals should love and give voluntarily! He never advocated that the State should take care of people nor that confiscatory taxes was the way to prosperity!
Jesus is a socialist in the same way that God is a dictator.
Human political terms are utterly inadequate to fully describe divinity.
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams --October 11, 1798
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Awesome point, and there are many similar points to show that Christ did not usher in Social justice, but salvation for mankind.
Don't be deceived by the propaganda of the MSM.
99% of capitalists (that is, each and everyone of us who wakes up and makes use of freedom, a free-market system, our interests and natural abilities to make a living) are honest, hard-working people.
The 1% that are greedy or criminal are the ones the MSM uses to denounce capitalism and call for its death by a thousand nicks, as Keynes said.
And let's not pretend that non- or anti-capitalists are somehow free of greed and dishonesty.
Greed is satisfied by two main vices: money and power. But they have the same unquenchable goal: worldly prominence. Those who seek money, do so because they believe it will make them powerful. Those who seek power do so because they believe it will make them wealthy.
And let's also be sure we do not confuse capitalists with corporatists, more and more of whom are becoming corporate socialists, colluding with government to establish monopoles. These are not capitalists, they are socialists. And they give all capitalists a bad name.
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And look at past and present socialistic/statist forms of government. Do the people prosper???? Rather the elitist, selfish leaders live in greed and exalted pomp!