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said a long time ago that abortion is a red herring in this effort and that people who really ought to know better would think it a victory if the state went through the motions of compromising on it.

Not so. The only good that comes of this much ballyhood "stand" is if the healthcare takeover disintigrates as a result.

1 posted on 12/07/2009 9:09:31 PM PST by the invisib1e hand
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2 posted on 12/07/2009 9:15:10 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (free enterprise (the first word is a verb))
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To: the invisib1e hand
The only good that comes of this much ballyhood "stand" is if the healthcare takeover disintigrates as a result.

Well, let's rephrase: obviously if we get socialist healthcare shoved down our throats, it's less overty wicked without abortion. On the other hand, FRiends, if they pass it with abortion, the streets will probably seethe, with what some in Manhattan have referred to as "civil disobedience." It's best, however if it doesn't pass at all and these marxo-fascists are sent yelping back into obscurity.

3 posted on 12/07/2009 9:18:39 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (free enterprise (the first word is a verb))
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To: the invisib1e hand
I must admire the way the U. S. Bishops are coming out AGAINST the healthcare/obamacare as it is. I pray this holds up the bill indefinitely. Would that other denominations would speak out in a similar fashion!

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5 posted on 12/07/2009 9:24:13 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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8 posted on 12/07/2009 9:32:56 PM PST by narses ('in an odd way this is cheering news!'.)
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The bishops have a strategy, as anyone willing to-—Look! That dog has a puffy tail!!!


13 posted on 12/07/2009 10:29:04 PM PST by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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The abortion option is a “bait and switch” maneuver from the Democrats. Catholics who favor socialized medicine are willing tools of the socialists ~they'll deserve what they get if the bill passes.

The USCCB shouldn't be involved in this discussion, nor should it be the willing dupes of Obama and his death cult.

Honestly, they should know better.

14 posted on 12/07/2009 10:30:30 PM PST by incredulous joe ("Do I look like Mrs. Obama??")
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To: the invisib1e hand
Email, call, fax your Senators! Burn up the lines. No abortion at all in obamacare!

U. S. Senate

19 posted on 12/08/2009 9:07:11 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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