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For all those who doubt there is a Purgatory -- read the links in the blog!

Biblical and Reasonable -- Amen!

1 posted on 11/02/2010 7:45:20 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: All
And some additional reading.

The Month of November: Thoughts on the "Last Things"
To Trace All Souls Day (Protestants vs Catholics)
Radio Replies First Volume - Purgatory
The Doctrine of Purgatory [Ecumenical]
The Heroic Act [Catholic-Orthodox Caucus] (Offering everything for the Souls in Purgatory)

Praying for the Dead [All Souls Day] (Catholic/Orthodox Caucus)
Purgatory: Service Shop for Heaven [Ecumernical]
Beginning Catholic: Catholic Purgatory: What Does It Mean? [Ecumenical]
Explaining Purgatory from a New Testament Perspective [Ecumenical]
A Brief Catechism for Adults - Lesson 12: Purgatory

The Doctrine of Purgatory
The Early Church Fathers on Purgatory - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
Required for entrance to Purgatory? Personal question for Cathloic Freepers.
(Protestant) Minister Who Had Near-Death Episode Believes In Purgatory
Straight Answers: What Is Purgatory Like?
Do Catholics Believe in Purgatory?
Purgatory, Indulgences, and the Work of Jesus Christ (Discussion)
Prayer to Release the Souls of Purgatory
The Forgotten Souls in Purgatory
Praying for the dead [Purgatory]

2 posted on 11/02/2010 7:46:32 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

The mention of Luther disqualifies the article for a Catholic Caucus. I am removing the label, allowing Protestants to speak for themselves.

5 posted on 11/02/2010 7:56:46 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Salvation

There is no basis for Purgatory in the Bible.
And Peter doesn’t have the authority to make one.

You are covered by the precious blood of Jesus into Paradise or you are not.

6 posted on 11/02/2010 8:02:27 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL OR REBEL! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: Salvation
Some Hindus or Buddists might buy the weird concept of Purgatory..
Since they have their own parsing of re-incarnation...

But then the Mass -or- Jesus become enfleshed in the "wafer" introduced into the believers flesh by a fleshly priest in a fleshly ceremony.. for fleshly reasons... is also weird..

Some protestants sects have some weird stuff as well..

Mormons turning to "MORON-I"(the angel) for "wisdom" must surely be an inside joke..

There are many Cargo Cults the only difference is the cargo..

15 posted on 11/02/2010 8:45:32 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Salvation

Purgatory Bookmark.

16 posted on 11/02/2010 8:52:51 AM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Salvation

What an awful way to look to eternity. Not to know whether or not one was “good enough”. When we know that even our very best is still “but as filthy rags”.

This is the definition from the Catholic dictionary.

Purgatory (Lat., “purgare”, to make clean, to purify) in accordance with Catholic teaching is a place or condition of temporal punishment for those who, departing this life in God’s grace, are, not entirely free from venial faults, or have not fully paid the satisfaction due to their transgressions.

Note the line: “have not fully paid the satisfaction due”. That line denies the perfection of the sacrifice Jesus paid.

The Bible says “to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord”. Supposing there is Purgatory, how could the Lord be there? And, if our sins are forgiven, why would we need to be punished. The blood of Jesus covers our sins.

17 posted on 11/02/2010 9:04:56 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Salvation

Hey Salvation!

That first link has a video which I watched as well.

I thought it was really informative.

Thank you and keep up the good work!

18 posted on 11/02/2010 9:25:48 AM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Standing by the walls of Minas Tirith as Sauron's forces pound the gates...)
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To: Salvation

bookmarking this excellent thread!

23 posted on 11/02/2010 12:23:00 PM PDT by VRWCer ( They will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. - ML King)
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To: Salvation

Great posts...thank you so much.

24 posted on 11/02/2010 1:52:20 PM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Salvation

Sorry, friend, but no.

Hebrews 10:10 means what it means. Christ’s sacrifice was once for all. He offered “one sacrifice for sins forever” (Hebrews 10:12) so there is no need for a purgatory.

If Christ paid the price in full, there is no need for purgatory. If He didn’t, he’s not perfect and therefore not the Son of God. Your choice.

But bless your day anyway.

26 posted on 11/02/2010 2:07:10 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("I'd rather lose fighting for the right cause than win fighting for the wrong cause." - Jim DeMint)
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To: Salvation

Another great post.

Another reason to consider Purgatory is because of Christian backsliders. One may accept Christ as Lord and Savior and then fall back into terrible sinfulness. If one died without repenting of that sinfulness, one logically could not go straight to Heaven, a place of spiritual perfection.

A believer who was in the state of sin could be offered the opportunity to suffer in atonement for a while in order to expiate the imperfection and guilt and then, having paid the last penny, enter Heaven to experience union with God.

It is simple logic that God cannot be joined to anything sinful. I think Purgatory is a very beautiful belief: even after death God is thirsting for our love and willing to give us that last avenue so we can be with Him.

36 posted on 11/02/2010 5:56:30 PM PDT by Melian ("Life's tough... it's even tougher if you're stupid." ~ John Wayne)
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To: Salvation; metmom
St. Catherine of Siena was gifted by the Lord to see a heavenly soul in the state of grace and her account of it is related in her Dialogue. It is here summarized In the Sunday School Teacher’s Explanation of the Baltimore Catechism:
The Soul in the State of Grace- Catherine of Siena was permitted by God to see the beauty of a soul in the state of grace. It was so beautiful that she could not look on it; the brightness of that soul dazzled her. Blessed Raymond, her confessor, asked her to describe to him, as far as she was able, the beauty of the soul she had seen. St. Catherine thought of the sweet light of that morning, and of the beautiful colours of the rainbow, but that soul was far more beautiful. She remembered the dazzling beams of the noonday sun, but the light which beamed from that soul was far brighter. She thought of the pure whiteness of the lily and of the fresh snow, but that is only an earthly whiteness. The soul she had seen was bright with the whiteness of Heaven, such as there is not to be found on earth. ” My father,” she answered. “I cannot find anything in this world that can give you the smallest idea of what I have seen. Oh, if you could but see the beauty of a soul in the state of grace, you would sacrifice your life a thousand times for its salvation. I asked the angel who was with me what had made that soul so beautiful, and he answered me, “It is the image and likeness of God in that soul, and the Divine Grace which made it so beautiful.” [1]

This is the same Catherine of Siena that said this

"Even if the Pope were Satan incarnate, we ought not to raise up our heads against him, but calmly lie down to rest on his bosom."

Personally I would not believe a word that proceeded from her mouth

41 posted on 11/03/2010 1:06:35 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Some call me harpy..God calls me His)
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