Posted on 11/19/2010 7:02:39 PM PST by Benchim
But "legalists" wants you to live under the Old Testament law in order to get "Tithes" to pay their mortgages as "professional Christians" and to do this they reimpose the falsehood that you must live a"sinless" life. Sin is undefined but they want to throw you back under the law to get you to pay money and feel guilt when your salvation was a free gift from God. The key to this argument is Paul in Chapter 7 of Romans.
What do you mean when you use the word “saved”? Saved from what?
If you believe, you WILL be changed.
**“believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be save-and your house”. That’s when you are saved.**
Soooo, at that point, the keeper of the prison could just lock Paul and Silas back in their stocks, and go his merry way.
Well, you should be justified in taking a bottle of whiteout and blotting out the rest of the story.
The keeper and his household made the physical effort (the horror!!) to listen to Paul speak unto them the word. The lashed and beaten preachers promptly went to the ‘unnecessary’ physical effort to physically baptise those folks.
Do you REALLY love the Lord and his word? Acts 2:38.......Is it from heaven or of men?
I know the answer to this but I’m going to ask you. If you die and are not baptized with water, can you still go to heaven?
**John 3:16. That’s it.**
That’s the Lord’s condensed summary of what he had detailed in the previous verses in that chapter.
He said, “Except a MAN must be BORN of WATER, and of the SPIRIT, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God”.
Details, details, who’s worried about details? /sar
**Simple, Romans 10:9,10.
Next question.**
Do you realize that the book of Romans was written to people that were already born again? See Romans 1:6,7
The Baptism of the Thief on the cross is the same Baptism which saves us. It is not a Baptism done by man but rather from Christ Himself. What did John The Baptist say about Christ and how He would Baptize us? That is the Baptism of salvation. Yet Christ physically Baptized no man by water. It happens to all who receive Him as Lord and Savior the very moment of surrender to Him.
The Baptism that saves us is the Spiritual Baptism of Jesus Christ by Jesus Christ Himself from which we also recieve The Holy Spirit. The Baptism of man meaning submersion in water comes afterward at some point in time. In some persons lives mans Baptism is the same day. In others it comes a week later, a month later, or years later. In others due to medical limitations it may never happen at all.
Amen, dear fish hawk!
Peter and the 11 were instructed by Christ to begin their commission in Jerusalem before taking the Kindgom message to all nations. ANd that is where they stayed, waiting for Israel as a nation to accept Christ as their King, whereby He would return and the Kingdom promises would begin. But Israel as a nation kept rejecting the now-risen King, first at Pentecost, then the stoning of Stephen in Acts 7. It was apparent that Israel was becoming more obstinate in accepting their King. It was looking like a lost cause. And until Israel did repent and accept Him as their Messiah, Peter and the 11 were bound to stay there, in Jerusalem. Until something completely unexpected to everyone happened in Acts 9. Paul was saved. And received revelations directly from the risen Christ, face to face and mouth to mouth. A new commission was given to him. The gospel of the uncircumcision. It was not the same gospel that the 12 operated under, their gospel was the gospel of the kingdom. Paul's gospel to the uncircumcision was the gospel of the grace of God. These two gospels overlap somewhat between Acts 9, when Paul is saved and given his ministry, and Acts 28 when Israel as a nation is finally set aside,(temporarily), and spiritually blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. Up until Acts 28, at any time that the nation Israel had repented and accepted Christ as their King, their Messiah, He would have returned. But by the end of Acts it was clear that their eyes were closed, their ears were not listening, and their hearts were hardened.
The Book of Acts is a transition period, between a kingdom of believers (the Jews) with the Gospel of the Kingdom; and a body of believers (Gentiles and believing Jews) with the Gospel of the grace of God.
This is why one gospel speaks of repentance, baptism, works, etc. and another gospel speaks of no works, salvation being the free gift of God, etc.
WIthout rightly dividing the word of truth, everything, especially in Acts seems a mishmash of contradiction. It isn't when you realize what was happening. The dispensation of the law was coming to an end and the dispensation of the grace of God, given to Paul, was beginning.
How much clearer does it need to be for you?
God is real. Religion is man-made; and therefore is corrupt, deceitful, and in some cases, downright evil.
Yes, I do know that it was written to the the believers in the area of Rome. What is your point? If you cannot read Romans chapter nine and then read chapter ten and not get the context of what God is saying by way of Paul then I can’t help you. Maybe read it a few times. Good luck, and God bless you.
‘It is God Who is in you, both to will and do of His good pleasure.’ Preach it, brother! Saved by Grace through faithing in Jesus The Christ.
Excuse me for elbowing in, but I can testify of myself and some others I am close to. If you hunger and thirst for righteousness, you shall be filled.
The thief was ‘hungry’, but under the Law. The testator had not yet died, and ‘Grace’ was not yet begun. Heb. 9:16,17
The Ethiopian eunuch was ‘hungry’ and was sent a preacher with the whole truth, and low and behold, they came across some waterhole and the rest is history.
Stop worrying (like the LDS) about others that have passed on before you; we are not the judge of the deceased anyway. Do what is right, when you see what the Lord regards as believing in him and his words. The Lord taught his disciples to preach REPENTANCE and REMISSION of SINS, BEGINNING at Jerusalem (Luke 24:47)
In that first sermon to the lost (in Jerusalem), the convicted souls asked “What shall we do?” Acts 2:37
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized EVERY ONE of you in the NAME of JESUS CHRIST for..” (for WHAT??) ..”THE REMISSION of SINS, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost”. Acts 2:38
From this point on you know what the Lord’s word says to you about receiving remission of sins. Other instances, such as in Acts chapters 8, 10, 19 mention the listeners being born again. The details of that rebirth process needed not be repeated, since you should know by now, instead of using legalism to ‘opt out’ of the essential of baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sins.
Sounds like you are trying to separating God from religion. Can’t be done.
To believe that, you would have to be putting your faith in religion, and have little or no faith in God.
**What is your point?**
That they have already been born again; they had “..obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine (Acts 2:38) that was delivered them”. Rom. 6:17
I get the context of Rom. nine and ten. Paul is testifying of the unbelief of the nation Israel, pointing out the turning of the Lord, with the offer salvation, to the Gentiles, which is why those saints in Rome were blessed to be given that hope.
**God bless you.**
Thank you, and may God bless you as well!
From your self-destructive animal nature!
There was a major argument in the church about whether Jewish Christians were supposed to keep the law, but this argument was not about salvation. It had to do with culture & tradition.
Also, two things you are missing. 1) Peter also was shown that the Gospel was for both Jews AND Gentiles. Same message: “Jesus died for your sins”. They stayed in Jerusalem until they received the Holy Spirit. 2) When Gentiles became Christians, where did they go? To fellowship with the local Jewish Christians. THAT was the early church, not a Jewish church & a Gentile church. There was only ONE body.
And one more little detail: In John 3 Jesus told Nicodemus that lest 'a man' be born of water and the spirit he cannot enter the kingdom. Have you ever stopped to consider what Jesus may have been telling Nicodemus that Nicodemus replied 'How can a man enter again into his mother's womb' in response to 'ye must be born again'?
Amen. Salvation is an event, not a process.
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