Skip to comments.The Old Testament Foretold that Mary Would Give Birth Without Pain (Catholic Caucus)
Posted on 12/23/2012 3:24:52 PM PST by NYer
So, because she was born sinless and without stain, she was not subject to the curse of Eve who did sin.
This is a teaching of the Catholic Church. Since our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ (who is Divine as well as human) would not have been born into this world by way of an unclean temple. This is why the Church teaches Mary was without original sin.
While the Bible contains the written Word of God, the Word of God also lives in the Church. (Jesus established the Church and promised that evil shall never overcome it - therefore what the Church teaches is the Word of God even if it's not in the Bible)
There are many things that are not in the Bible, but are nonetheless just as true as if they were. This is very evident in the last verses of John's Gospel.
It seems like it’s always men who are very concerned about this. This fits with their general discomfort with all the natural processes of women’s bodies, not just childbirth.
That verse is talking about “men”. God certainly could.
Mary’s saviour is the same as ours.
Original sin is different than personal sin, it is more like a state of being.
Also, we do not believe that an eight-month old child has, or can, sin. So the “all” in the verse cannot mean every single human being excluding none. It must therefore be a rhetorical “all.”
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In the Bible, every time a person is given a new name by God, it signifies something big: it reveals your very inner identity, what God made you to be:
Abram --> Abraham (Father of Nations)
Jacob --> Israel (Wrestles with God)
Simon BarJonah --> Peter (Rock)
The unparalleled word, spoken by an Archangel, which gave Mary a name/title indicating her true self, was (in Greek) "Kecharitomene," a name/title not used anywhere else in the Bible, nor indeed anywhere in Greek literature, as a nominative (not just an adjective). It is a past perfect passive verbal form, participle, with a feminine ending, used as a form of address: "She who was completely filled with grace."
Other Biblical persons were described as being "filled with (or full of) grace" -- as we would put it in English --- but in Mary's case, the verb form is, as I mentioned, unique: which makes sense if she is the sole person handing on a human nature to Jesus: she was his only human parent. So the human nature she handed on to Him had to be without the defective inheritance of a marred nature.
This doesn't make her superhuman. It makes her Just. Plain. Human. With the unmarred humanness that everybody would have possessed as their birthright, if human nature had not been blighted by the shattering fall of our first parents.
This is a caucus thread. Are you Catholic?
I will take St. Gregory of Nyssa, St. Ambrose of Milan, and St. Augustine, and St. Johan Damascene’s interpretation of Isiah 66:7 over yours and your local Pastor in wherever you are United States.
This Religion Forum thread is labeled “Catholic Caucus” meaning if you are not currently, actively Catholic - then do not post on this thread.
Sorry, Religion Moderator. Been on FR for 10+ years, never seen a thread where religious segregation was enforced.
My apologies to the Catholics.
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