Posted on 03/15/2013 4:55:42 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
Sheesh Ann, let’s give him a chance. I like Ann’s passion for most things but this is over the top.
“blind leading the blind,” and “white-washed tombs, full of dead men’s bones.”
Oh, my goodness. How ugly! I’ve never heard of this person; her rant is filled with half-truths and lies.
Thank you for that link. And for your reasoned replies.
I fear my biggest turn off with Ann of late, is simply that she is so so so angry. We are all frustrated, and often angry at that which we can’t control or change. Yet so much of what I’ve read from her over the last 6 months or better is just wall to wall seething anger.
I think all those people who where saying the new holy father needed to be someone more progressive, more with the times are just plain stuck on stupid.
The word of God doesn't change with the times. Believe it or not at your own peril.
I for one am a broken sinner and I can never save myself except through my faith in Christ.
What really drives all these people nuts is in the dark still of night they are afraid God is real.
I feel this may be the last pope. Going to be an interesting time to be alive.
This whole rant is horrible. If you believe that the Holy Spirit leads the Church, then you believe that Pope Francis was chosen by the Holy Spirit. Those who want to try to discredit Pope Francis before he has even begun are not praying to God. Obedience to the Holy Father is part of your Catholic faith. Deal with it. You are treading on dangerous ground when you believe you know better then the Holy Spirit.
This was over the top & entirely inappropriate. We should be praying for our holy father, not bashing him.
She’s gonna have to walk this back.....or really have egg on her face.
I pray for her.
She referred to priests ordained in the 60’s , 70’s and 80’s pejoratively.
For the record, Pope Francis was ordained in 1958.
The Church is certainly not in trouble. It thrives in Africa, Latin America and Asia. The West, the US and Europe, is in trouble due to its rejection of the Church. the Church is not thriving in those places.
In Catholicism the thinking is “you are what you read”.
What are you reading?
The Catechism states that one is not safe when reading illogical, degrading untruthful material. That goes for general entertainment, and one is not to be fooled by the film industry’s rating system, BTW, it’s the theme that counts.
It’s not necessarily inappropriate to insult at a time like this. What it is is silly.
And it is meant to discourage.
Three things:
One: If it detracts for the sake of cynicism, it does not come from a good place, and it is at least a waste of time, if not discouraging.
Two: The church is centered on faith. It is also, at the same time, centered on reason. It is the truth.
The hierarchy, if you take a moment to view the bio of anyone anybody is criticizing, there will be a moment of sobriety and a turning away from the detractors. People don’t give the average priest, much less, the hierarchy, attention of his education and works.
Three: Of course there are errant ways, as the Church is run by humans. Humility is a key. Peter denied Jesus three times, yet he was chosen After repentance, to lead the Church. that’s it.
the church is Bible based. Duh! Of course it is. Read a Missal, the daily readings of the mass (throughout the world it is the same day to day) and one will get a chronological and salient bible study. Most Catholics just don’t know that.
It is also based on tradition, like any family.
And it is based on the Magesterium - the divinely inspired teachings of the theologians.
Reading:
Keeping away from criticism is recommended, while reading those who strive for truth is worthwile:
Catholic exchange website
The Missal (includes the Bible)
The Catechism
George Wiegel
Scott Hahn
The encyclicals (Papal letters); esp Humanae Vitae
Popes JPII, esp Theology of the Body and BenXVI
“What can I do to help You? What can I do to make You feel better? Let me take some of Your burden.
Ann B is delusional. Jesus had plenty to say about her kind.
>>Why all the OCD over this one version of the Mass that almost paints him like the AntiChrist himself for not liking it?<<
Either you are not a Catholic or you were brainwashed after Vatican II. It is not “liking” one “version” or another; there is the Mass and there is the Novus Ordo. They are two diametrically opposed entities, much like matter and anti-matter.
In 1974, the bishop of Wilmington, DE told me that there was no room in the Church for people like me (I do not accept the Novus Ordo as a valid Mass). That prohibition continues today.
Not to put too bold a stroke on it, but it reminds me off-hand of how the formerly-feuding Pharises and Saducees made their amazing, unprecedented big-tent alliance just once in history, to oppose you-know-Who.
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2013/03/card-bergoglio-in-2007-after-summorum-pontificum/
Card. Bergoglio, in 2007 after Summorum Pontificum, TLM within 48 hours
Forty-eight hours after Summorum Pontificum, then Card. Bergoglio arranged Holy Mass in the traditional Roman Rite.
Ann is so hardcore. She almost makes me want to be Catholic.
The rest of them, however...
Yes, and what Jesus says in no way confirms "catholicism," but rather warns against it.
Yet another stroke of brilliance!
Re the "health" of the church is duly noted. In fact, recently read the the catholic religion is now the "largest" religion in China. Can't source that and not sure all the details. I do know the distribution of the bible in china has been beyond anything one can imagine.
Re "you are what you read." Absolutely. I agree with that and raise you what you watch and eat and the company you keep is important (vital)
Here is my issue . . . Many conservatives, Christians sometime live too much in a cocoon. They have a narrow view of the world and a narrow view of competing view points. Because of your past knowledge of Ann, you and others dismiss her out of hand. There are plenty of people we disagree with, but you know once in a while they do say something from a perspective worth considering. Ex:Pat Caddel at CPAC. So yes, we should be very careful what we read, and yes criticism specially inside the church can be unhealthy. But when someone with reason sounds an alarm, maybe, just maybe it's worth considering, if nothing more than to validate our own thoughts
Reading your thoughts, very thoughtful and important and will always consider, we agree in principal. I was just grinding my teeth because so many here dismissed what a person had to say without reading what that person had to say. You and others actually did, but I was breaking an eye tooth because most we're not saying WHY she was being blasphemous.
well said and worth repeating. Criticism is not totally inappropriate (as you said) but it should be measured and specific. Ann's diatribe is way over the top. I learned long ago that those that exaggerate to make a point often have no point.
What do you make of this Scripture?
Colossians 1:23-25
King James Version (KJV)
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
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