Posted on 12/29/2013 3:53:28 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
So just how gay-friendly is Pope Francis? Consider this.
In his Christmas sermon, Bishop Charles Scicluna of Malta condemned adoption by same-sex couples. He insisted that God's own son was raised by a man and a woman, and not by two men or two women.
How divisive! said the media. But now it turns out that Bishop Scicluna met Pope Francis on December 12. The bishop later told the Times of Malta: “We discussed many aspects… and when I raised the issue that’s worrying me as a bishop [the right for gay couples to adopt] he encouraged me to speak out."
Indeed, the Pope was "shocked" to learn that Malta's proposed Civil Union bill allows gay adoption. And Bishop's Scicluna's controversial sermon seems to have been delivered at his prompting.
None of this should be surprising: back in Argentina, Cardinal Bergoglio roundly condemned gay adoption and said that gay marriage was diabolically inspired. But confusingly – and I still can't quite figure this out in my head – he did clearly back civil partnerships as the lesser of two evils. (When Archbishop Vincent Nichols appeared to do that, his critics in the Vatican were furious.)
What we can say, I think, is that the media read far too much into the Pope's "who am I to judge?" comment about gay Christians in his impromptu interview on the way back from Rio. If Time magazine gave Francis its Person of the Year on the basis of his relaxed attitude to homosexuality, it should have done its homework more thoroughly.
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Civil partnerships would benefit other folks than homosexuals. Widowed women could form a civil union with an elderly son, or it could be two elderly sisters, for the purposes of taxation, property ownership, or whatever. It could have nothing whatsoever to do with sex. And the Pope was trying to save traditional marriage, not have it diminished by homosexual activists.
Same-sex adoptions were legal in this country even before gay marriage. People should start to realize that there is no stopping the United States in its pursuit of libertinism. Where exactly do we stop when we condone everything?
This is truly--- oh, there's no other word than "perverse".
Pope Francis says its ‘not necessary’ for church to speak about gay marriage, abortion all the time
For one thing, it's not even humanly possible to talk about It's also necessary to talk about gay marriage and abortion all the time.
For another thing, it IS necessary to talk, at times, about the Father; the Son; the Holy Spirit; prayer; fasting; almsgiving; spiritual and corporal works of mercy; redemptive suffering; the Sacrament of Penance; the Gospels and Lessons of the daily Mass; the Lives of the Saints; repentance; conversions; salvation; humility; being poor in spirit; the Existence of God; the Creation and Fall; Divine Revelation; Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture; the Incarnation; the Paschal Mystery; the Mystical Body and Communion of Saints; The Four Marks of the Church; the Blessed Virgin Mary; the Four Last Things; the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass; Vocations; the Courage to Marry for Life; ...
Etc. etc. etc.
All topics which he has hit upon since last March.
Jesus didn't talk about Gay Marriage or Abortion even once! Though of course He talked about both Marriage and Celibacy; and St. Paul under the Lord's personal instruction via the Holy Spirit, covered quite a bit of that in detail.
Now if you know me, you know I'm ardently against Gay Marriage and Abortion, and I will compare my record of speaking out, writing and action on those subjects, to anybody else you'd care to name.
But I'd be less than honest if I failed to say that I agree with Pope Francis on this one. He puts these issues in a context which is wide and deep.
And I say, thank God for that.
Good night, Coleus, and God bless!
Jesus didn’t talk about Gay Marriage or Abortion even once! >>
many democrats and pro-choicers say the same thing, they say “where is abortion mentioned in the new testament?” but one has to remember that Jesus was born at a time when all the Jews at that time were Orthodox and understood and obeyed the Mosaic law, He did not come to preach to the choir or preach about what the current Jew of the day already knew..Jesus said to Obey the commandments and pro life and pro marriage are part of the commandments...
anyway, I think our current Holy Father speaks off the cuff and extemporaneously...he needs to exercise some self control and take medication for his ADHD; also we had about 27 years of JPII and about 5 years of Benedict XVI and it seems we didn’t have to explain much about what they said to reporters, the press understood what the 2 previous holy fathers said... Pope Francis is there not even a year and it seems that we are constantly explaining what he was trying to say........I see a lot of “well, he really didn’t say that or he didn’t really mean that, and what he was trying to say is this .......and the press misunderstood what he said....
anyway, getting back to the title of the thread, the Holy Father should learn about the slippery slope...why would he be “shocked?” Once you condone civil unions, which many priests have, then comes gay marriage, gay adoptions and so on....there is no turning back...sorry to say abortion and gay marriage and gay adoptions are here to stay..
and when the man at the top tells the world that we are focusing too much on abortion and gay marriage the world interpreted that as those sins are no different than other sins....I was taught that those are sins are those that cry out to heaven... I guess that is no longer the case....
I wonder how many times fr/bishop/cardinal Bergoglio prayed in front of abortion clinics and participated in sidewalk counseling outside of the abortion mills.
Have a happy, holy and healthy new year!!!
Aargh!!
As for the four sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance:
As I always tell my RCIA students, each of these --- like each of the Ten Commandments --- is not so much an item as a chapter heading. For instance, murder includes abortion, killing embryos in conjunction with stem cell harvesting or IVF, withdrawal of nutrition/hydration from the severely brain injured, drunk driving, unjust acts of war, targeting of civilians, terrorism, indiscriminate killing, etc. etc.
Same with sodomy: we're talking about any vile sexual offenses, and there's a whole catalog of them.
As for the last two, those cover all the REAL "Social Justice" offenses. I consider, for example, under "depriving the laborer of his wages", that excessive taxation, confiscatory fines, mandatory union dues in non-Right-to-Work states, are violations of this sort, Governments can be guilty of this, as well as unions and employers; in fact in the USA, I would consider Big Government THE major violator. As well as global corporations that pay their workers in Indonesia 50 cents an hour for making top brand athletic shoes --- when the same laborer would get $20 an hour in the USA.
Oppressing the widow, the orphan and the foreigner, are likewise "social" sins as well as individual sins.
So yes, abortion and the whole sad, pathetic, infuriating Gay agenda are sins that cry out to heaven. But not the only ones.
He will soon come to realize that the press is not his friend, it’s his enemy.
Too true.
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