Posted on 06/18/2017 2:47:29 PM PDT by narses
Is there any Biblical evidence regarding Mary as anything other than Jesus’s mother?
Where does the worship of Mary come from, and what has she done to deserve to be worshiped?
I always think of Mark 8 and other verses where Jesus was quite hard on people who need signs from Heaven when I see stuff like this or similar.
11Then the Pharisees came and began to argue with Jesus. They tested Him by demanding from Him a sign from heaven. 12Jesus sighed deeply in His spirit and said, “Why does this generation demand a sign? Truly I tell you, no sign will be given to this generation.”
All things work for good for those who love God, but Fatima stuff can be a bit too occult with secret messages and prophecies etc...
In the gospel according to Luke, the angel Gabriel made a greeting to Mary, a virgin betrothed to Joseph, with the words: “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you!”- Luke 1: 28 (RSV). Making this greeting was the very first step towards the salvation of humankind! This is a direct scripture quoted in the prayer, adding the name ‘Mary’ after ‘Hail’, and we too greet Mother Mary with the same words. Satan obviously dislikes the greeting since he is continually reminded of his failure and God’s victory through the new Eve! ‘When the dragon saw that it had been thrown down to the earth, it pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child’- Revelation 12: 13 (NAB)*. No wonder, Satan has always attacked Mary in all the generations of Church history and continues to do so even today.
‘And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit and she exclaimed with a loud cry “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!”’- Luke 1: 41-42 (RSV). The words quoted in prayer are again directly from scripture. Thus Elizabeth became the first person to call Mary “Blessed”.
Having known the call to her vocation partially, despite the challenges of the time, Mary freely contributed to surrender her life to the will of God - “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word”- Luke 1: 38 (RSV). This act of unconditional faith by Mary made Elizabeth call her “Blessed” the second time - “Blessed are you who believed that what was spoken to you by the Lord would be fulfilled”- Luke 1: 45 (NAB)
In her response of praise and thanksgiving, Mary said “for he has looked with favor on the lowliness of his servant. Surely, from now on all generations will call me blessed”- Luke 1: 48 (NRSV) Our Mother said that she will be called ‘Blessed’ by all generations from that point on. In fact we see the fulfillment of the same in that generation itself. During Jesus’ preaching a woman from the crowd said to him, “Blessed is the womb that carried you and the breasts at which you nursed”- Luke 11: 27 (NAB) She well deserved to be called blessed not just because she bore and nursed Jesus as her Son- but also for the real fact that Jesus further emphasizes- that she “heard the Word of God and observed it” (Luke 11: 28) evident through her words “let it be to me according to your word”- Luke 1: 38b (RSV) Bearing Jesus in her womb and nursing him was the proof of the fulfillment of her surrender. What began in that generation has continued ever since.
Well, to start of with, Revelation where Mary is in heaven with stars around her head. A queen in heaven.
Catholics don’t worship Mary. Therefore, your question is meaningless.
Nobody DEMANDED the sign at Fatima. It was freely given by God.
Therefore, your objection to it is misdirected and pointless.
For the 1000th time, she is NOT being worshipped. Read the “Hail Mary” prayer and notice that she is asked to pray for us. If she were considered deity, who does the deity pray to?
Yes.
"And as he was yet speaking, behold a bright cloud overshadowed them. And lo, a voice out of the cloud, saying: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased: hear ye him."Matthew 17:5
What the Roman Catholic says and what the Roman Catholic does are two different things.
That was God speaking.
Yes.
"And as he was yet speaking, behold a bright cloud overshadowed them. And lo, a voice out of the cloud, saying: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased: hear ye him."Matthew 17:5
I certainly hope you're not attempting to suggest this passage has anything to do with Mary??
I post the passage in context for the reader.
1Six days later Jesus took with Him Peter and James and John his brother, and led them up on a high mountain by themselves. 2And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light. 3And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. 4Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, I will make three tabernacles here, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah.” 5While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, “This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!” 6When the disciples heard this, they fell face down to the ground and were terrified. 7And Jesus came to them and touched them and said, “Get up, and do not be afraid.” 8And lifting up their eyes, they saw no one except Jesus Himself alone. Matthew 17:1-8 NASB
What sign? There’s no clear account of what the “Fatima miracle” even is.
This is literally the MOST confusing “miracle” ever.
So who was the mother of the Son of God?
Somebody, other than Mary?
Again we see context is lost in Roman Catholicism.
27While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed.”
28But He said, “On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it.”
Luke 11:24-28 NASB
“What the Roman Catholic says and what the Roman Catholic does are two different things.”
Nope. Your mind reading skills fail - again.
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“Again we see context is lost in Roman Catholicism.”
Wrong. Again.
Yes.
"And as he was yet speaking, behold a bright cloud overshadowed them. And lo, a voice out of the cloud, saying: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased: hear ye him."Matthew 17:5
We're waiting to hear your explanation as to how this verse has anything to do with Mary.
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