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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 8 -10
Various | November 7, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/07/2003 7:54:47 PM PST by sweetliberty

TERRI'S FIGHT
(Thread 6 - November 8-10, 2003)
(Link back to thread 5 - Nov. 5-7)

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Contained in Thread 4:

Link to article on Michael Schiavo from hometown newspaper, information on death by starvation and dehydration, information on hospice eligibility and hospice and medicare/medicaid fraud, e-mail address for Judge Greer, transcript of Larry King Live interview with Michael Schiavo and George Felos, Terri's address at the hospice and the address for the foundation, to send cards for Terri's birthday (December 3), transcript of O'Reilly interview with Kate Adamson, e-mail addresses for Florida legislature, transcript of Abrams Report interview with George Felos and Pam Anderson, transcription of Terri's bone scan, legalese for dummies version of Gov. Bush's motion to dismiss Sciavo's suit against the Constitutionality of Terri's Law, link to FatherOfLiberty's research on HBOT (Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy), links to ACLJ involvement in Schiavo case and Father Rob Johansen's daily update.

There are four other relevant posts that I want to highlight here in case anyone missed them or didn't get pinged. These are a general Terri thread troll alert, an especially thoughtful post about the sincere effort that FReepers are making in Terri's behalf, the Father's Love Letter , and remarks made by Jim Robinson on this issue and reposted here by lonevoice.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

There was a tremendous amount of information posted on the previous thread. For anyone who hasn't been following the daily threads, links to relevant posts and information from the previous thread are contained in the body of the present one. I have found that very helpful in trying to find something later. You people are doing a spectacular job of getting information out and also in helping to keep all of us updated here. What a great joint effort. This fight, to me, illustrates beautifully what Free Republic is about and what it means to be a FReeper. Way to go FRiends. Keep up the good work!

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Latest threads On Terri's Case

Pro-Life Group Questions 'Quality of Life' Premise in Schiavo Case

Judge Lets Parents Challenge Custody of Terri Schiavo

Dean blasts governor over Schiavo case

Husband Must Defend His Guardianship of Terri Schiavo

Judge Bans Terri Schiavo's Parents From Legal Battle

Dean 'Appalled' That Florida Lawmakers Saved Schiavo

A Woman's Life Versus an Inept Press (Nat Hentoff on Terri Schiavo

Terri Schiavo Case: Gov. Bush Asks To Meet New Guardian

Terri Schiavo Case: Creditable Witnesses & the 1st Guardian

Judge Rejects Bush Effort in Schiavo Case

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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: attorneyfromhell; buttout; daily; euthanasia; florida; forcesofevil; georgefelos; guardianfromhell; hino; merchantsofdeath; michaelschiavo; righttolife; schiavo; schiavothread; schindler; terri; terrischiavo; terrischindler
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To: atruelady
Same goes for MS
261 posted on 11/08/2003 11:00:38 AM PST by Orlando (* Dec. 3rd is Theresa M. SCHINDLER Birthday * Don't call her Schiavo anymore,please.)
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To: atruelady
Really? You'd say that about an outstanding citizen like Felos McMoonbeam? Sakes alive! I heard once that he told the truth for one entire sentence, in 1984. Too bad nobody made a tape recording. It's only hearsay now.
262 posted on 11/08/2003 11:01:49 AM PST by T'wit
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To: Orlando; Pegita
Ephesians, CH. 6...

"For WE wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against PRINCIIPALITIES, against POWERS, against the RULERS of the darkness of THIS WORLD, against SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS in HIGH PLACES.."

amen

We are in a heavy-duty war, here....front-line

Adding my AMEN to this. Thank you so much Pegita, for leading this army with your prayer petitions to our Lord Jesus.

263 posted on 11/08/2003 11:07:33 AM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: All
Have you read this article?

Terri and Terry: The Difficulty of Defining a Coma
By David Hammer Associated Press Writer
Published: Nov 8, 2003

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/florida/MGA9T3QSRMD.html
264 posted on 11/08/2003 11:09:57 AM PST by Chocolate Rose
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To: All
Where's the FBI , U.S. Atty General, IRS Criminal Division
?. HELLO !!! We need some HELP HERE our NATION is under
ATTACK by the FORCES of EVIL, and TERROR, by the way where
is Homeland Security too ?..

I consider this a homeland security issue, they want to Murder the sick, weak, and DISABLE people this is a attack
on our U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Ten Commandments, and GOD..

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President Bush, please...HELP US and your Brother JEB, we
need back-up help here....please sir.
vet out
265 posted on 11/08/2003 11:12:59 AM PST by Orlando (* Dec. 3rd is Theresa M. SCHINDLER Birthday * Don't call her Schiavo anymore,please.)
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To: nicmarlo
`I don't think there are any words to can express the outrage that he feels and the pain in the heart that he feels'' because his wife will now continue to suffer

Translation: "`I don't think there are any words to can express the outrage that he feels and the pain in the heart that he feels'' because his wife will now continue to suffer breathe

266 posted on 11/08/2003 11:16:53 AM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: daylate-dollarshort
I'm not quite sure what your point is in posting something that most of us have already read. Since you brought it up however, I would like to highlight this portion:

At this time, Robert and Mary Schindler, Mrs. Schiavo's parents, have not filed a facially sufficient motion for relief from the order discontinuing life-prolonging procedures. Thus, in appellate case number 2D01-1836, we affirm the guardianship court's denial of the Schindlers' motion for relief from judgment because the motion filed was facially insufficient. On remand, however, we provide the Schindlers with an opportunity to file, if appropriate, a revised motion for relief from judgment pursuant to rule 1.540(b)(5) on the basis that it is no longer equitable that the order should have prospective application. We caution, however, that any proceeding to challenge a final order on this basis is extraordinary and should not be filed merely to delay an order with which an interested party disagrees or to retry an adversary proceeding. The interested party must establish that new circumstances make it no longer equitable to enforce the earlier order. In this case, if the Schindlers believe a valid basis for relief from the order exists, they must plead and prove newly discovered evidence of such a substantial nature that it proves either (1) that Mrs. Schiavo would not have made the decision to withdraw life-prolonging procedures fourteen months earlier when the final order was entered, or (2) that Mrs. Schiavo would make a different decision at this time based on developments subsequent to the earlier court order.

The opinion you posted was dated July 11, 2001. On Nov 15, 2002, the Schindler's delivered to Michael's attorneys a copy of their petition to remove Michael. The new petition states that Michael has squandered the money her money, refused to give her necessary medical treatment and has admitted on national TV to committing adultery.

Most honest people would agree that if Terri could fight for herself she would not allow her 'loving husband' to commit adultery at her life's expense.

267 posted on 11/08/2003 11:22:00 AM PST by Krodg
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To: nicmarlo
"I will be checking out PA, too"

That could turn up some new information. I think most people who have been searching have been focusing more on Florida. The Schiavos were from Levittown, PA. The Schindlers were from the same area, but I don't know if it was the same town.

What I'd be especially interested in knowing about is other relationships Michael may have had in PA.

268 posted on 11/08/2003 11:28:43 AM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
Here we go:

Dr. Eisenberg's thoughts on Terri's case

Note this particular quotation for the enlightenment of our visiting trolls: "To remove the feeding tube from a patient whose only impairment is cognitive is simply murder."

269 posted on 11/08/2003 11:29:53 AM PST by T'wit
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To: T'wit
"for the enlightenment of our visiting trolls"

ROTFL! What? Are they busing them in now...like a field trip or something (on the short bus, no doubt)?

270 posted on 11/08/2003 11:32:56 AM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: daylate-dollarshort
I forgot to mention in my previous post that the new petition I mentioned was the one that Michael tried to have dimissed. Judge Greer denied Michael and said that the Schindlers can be heard on this.

I only have one small problem with the way the Schindler's lawyers have handled this new petition...

271 posted on 11/08/2003 11:34:22 AM PST by Krodg
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands; Krodg
"As Sweetliberty said, "Terri is using her own money to kill her slelf, and it is not costing us anyhting."

Actually, that wasn't my comment. I believe it was Krodg's, and it was pretty funny in context. I fully supported its nomination for quote of the day, though! It was a pretty snappy comeback to a troll who was asking stupid questions on another thread.

272 posted on 11/08/2003 11:39:16 AM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: TigersEye; daylate-dollarshort
TigersEye,
I appreciated the posting of the Full Legal Complaint by daylate-dollarshort. In fact if daylate-dollarshort can post the written transcript of the Nov 5th hearing I would be even more grateful becasue I can't get the courts to call me back so I can find out how to get it myself.

I know I am going to get mobbed for saying this, but this is a Public Forum and I don't mind seeing an alternative opinion. If you don't want to engage the person then just don't reply and ignore their posts.

273 posted on 11/08/2003 11:40:36 AM PST by Lone Voice in the hinterlands
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To: Krodg
This would be the same "loving husband" who admitted under oath that right after her still-unexplained injury, he removed her wedding ring and diamond engagement ring and had them melted down to make a fine new piece of jewelry for himself.

The Nazis did that with their victims at Bergen-Belsen, Maidanek and Auschwitz.

Hmmmmm. I wonder if MS had Terri's gold fillings removed.

274 posted on 11/08/2003 11:41:48 AM PST by T'wit
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands; nicmarlo
"What if Geaorge is paying Michael? Say george is writing a book and he is paying Michael Schiavo as a source. In this way Michael gets the money out of terri's account, over to Felos, adn Felos funnels some back to Michael."

I have been saying that for a long time. I also think that because Felos has had access to some of the money as a result of Schiavo having the okay to use it for legal costs, that there may be some untoward investment schemes in play as well. I would love to see someone dig up some information on that. Perhaps a little more investigation into Felos and his associates would be in order.

275 posted on 11/08/2003 11:43:17 AM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: KosmicKitty
I wish I could read the article you posted however it has been archived.

I did notice that in the portion you posted that it was said that the patient involved could respond to commands at some times. Based on that I would be very surprised if the patient was diagnosed as in a persistent vegetative state. Virtually all of the articles that have been posted to these threads that claim that patients have "returned" after a number of years have shown that they were not diagnosed as being in a PVS, but in a quasi vegetative state, or partial vegetative state, or in coma or deep coma. Usually this discrepancy is attributible to the lay-author or sometime to a family member or friend. Othertimes it has been a deliberate mistatement by someone out to try to prove a point.

I noticed the reference to "four years" in the first paragraph. If this is the period of first injury until some sort of recovery on the part of this patient, I would point out that four years duration is far short of the more than thirteen years that Terri has been in PVS.

"Actually, this may not be true".

Are you intimating that I made up this statement? It is taken directly from the Second DCA's published opinion.

Further, there was another hearing held in the circuit court where this very fact was re-visited. New scans were obtained which again revealed this condition. All of the experts agreed that Terri had suffered extensive and irreparible damage to her cerebral cortex. The only debate between the expert's, including those brought forward by the Schindlers', was whether she has a small amount of isolated living tissue in her cerebral cortex or whether she has no living tissue in her cerebral cortex. This was again affirmed by the appellate court.

Additionally, in what I would agree was bad taste, one of the frames of Terri's brain scan that was presented in court, was exhibited on the Larry King show. This clearly showed a void in Terri's skull where her cerebral cortex should have been.

I don't think there is any medical doctor anywhere that would say that one can recover from a loss of the cerebral cortex.

276 posted on 11/08/2003 11:43:36 AM PST by daylate-dollarshort
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To: nicmarlo
An attorney can do his/her very best, with all conviction of their heart, but still be out of their league as pertains either to a particular type of case or opposing counsel (and, in this case, I think both). We all have our limitations.....some are just naturals, others have to work harder to even come close. And I'm not slamming the attorney's intentions, just my observations from what I read in that opinion.

I think she was originally out of her league, but with the help of other more experienced attorneys, I think she has improved enormously. When I first saw her on television, she wasn't that good an advocate for Terri. Now, she seems to be very effective in front of the media. She's growing as an attorney and will probably become one of the best in Florida in cases like this. I think all the email, letters, and phone calls from the public have helped her become re-energized.

277 posted on 11/08/2003 11:43:48 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: sweetliberty
> Translation: "`I don't think there are any words to can express the outrage that he feels and the pain in the heart that he feels'' because his wife will now continue to suffer breathe

Alternative translation: "Omigawsh, I got paid $380,000 to snuff her and blew it. This isn't going to look good on my resume!"

278 posted on 11/08/2003 11:45:50 AM PST by T'wit
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To: daylate-dollarshort
Working link please?
279 posted on 11/08/2003 11:48:28 AM PST by Wampus SC
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To: Orlando; All
Whoa! Is this a smoking gun?

As Orlando pointed out...

This article,2nd Schiavo friend speaks, by David Sommer appeared in The Tampa Bay Tribune on May 10, 2001

The article states: "MS has FATHERED TWO (2) Children"

We know MS's second child with Jodie Centonze was born on or around Oct 31st, 2003

If the article is accurate it proves that MS has fathered three illegitimate children!

280 posted on 11/08/2003 11:51:12 AM PST by lonevoice (Legal disclaimer: The above is MY OPINION)
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