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"The fact that we're using taxpayers' money to ship somebody's job overseas, I don't think that's a good thing."

The day that I thought I would ever agree with Dodd about anything has arrived. I can not believe that the American people will buy his tripe as he has profited from the outsourcing craze.
1 posted on 03/09/2004 5:35:30 PM PST by Beck_isright
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2 posted on 03/09/2004 5:35:52 PM PST by Beck_isright ("I did not have sexual relations with that woman" - (Fill in name of Democrat here))
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Bush should sign that bill as fast as possible.
7 posted on 03/09/2004 5:43:49 PM PST by oceanview
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Oh why, oh why didn't President McKinley outlaw automobiles so that buggywhip makers and blacksmiths would not lose their jobs?
15 posted on 03/09/2004 5:49:02 PM PST by Mike Darancette (General - Alien Army of the Right (AAOTR))
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Democrats plan to use America's fear of outsourcing as a strategy to get voters to reject President Bush in November. And because the opposition is playing up the problem, Republicans must play it down. But as one man who wrote to me said, "It is not about the left or the right, but about the middle."

The middle class is squeezed by uncontrolled legal and illegal immigration on one side, and offshoring/outsourcing on the other. Throw in the harsh environment after 9/11, and yes, this is a serious issue that Washington had better start paying attention to. Pissed off people don't usually vote for incumbents.

17 posted on 03/09/2004 5:51:26 PM PST by spodefly (The kinder, gentler spodefly.)
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OPIC, Ex-Im Bank, Office of Special Trade Representative, etc. Your tax dollars at work!
24 posted on 03/09/2004 5:54:45 PM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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The Facts Show Increase of Jobs Under Bush

Paige McKenzie, NewsMax.com

Wednesday, Feb. 25, 2004

The media and Democrats keep repeating it over and over: "2.3 million jobs lost" since President Bush took office. His could be the worst job record since before World War II, they claim.

One little problem: It's not true.

Not only has there been no net loss of jobs during the Bush administration, there has been a net gain, even with the devastation of 9/11. At least 2.4 million jobs have been created since the president took office, 2 million of those in 2003. The gains more than offset the losses.

While Democrats continue to beat their election-year drums about outsourcing, manufacturing losses, unemployment and slow growth in employment, America’s economy has been steadily creating jobs.

At least 366,000 jobs have been created in the last five months, over 100,000 of those in January, White House press secretary Scott McClellan has noted. And though the eight-month recession “officially” ended in November, economic indicators are surprising economists and pointing toward a take-off in the recovery.

The signs:

The 5.6 percent unemployment rate is the lowest in two years and below the average of the 1980s (7.3 percent) and '90s (5.8 percent), and still continues to drop.

The nation's economic output revealed the strongest quarterly growth in 20 years. The data for the fourth quarter of 2003 show that the civilian labor force rose by 333,000, while the number of unemployed in the labor force dropped by 575,000. Even better, the number of so-called discouraged workers declined in December.

Consumer spending grew between 4 percent and 5 percent last year, and real hourly earnings rose 1.5 percent. Real earnings have risen over the last three years.

Exports doubled to 19 percent in the fourth quarter, compared to less than 9 percent in the third.

The number of American workers is at an all-time high of 138.5 million, a level never before attained in U.S. history.

Jobless claims are 10 percent below the average of the last 25 years and still falling.

Hiring indices are up, even in manufacturing.

Productivity growth is extremely high.

Now the doomsayers are criticizing the validity of the unemployment rate, which at 5.6 percent does not fit their gloomy story.

Faulty Counting

The problem is the areas of biggest job growth are usually not even being counted at all.

Though 75 percent of jobs are created by small companies, according to the Small Business Administration, this sector’s entrepreneurial activity and the jobs it creates are left out by Washington bean counters when calculating official new job numbers.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) does its Payroll Survey by phoning businesses to crunch the number of jobs that have been gained or lost. This is where Democrats grabbed onto their lifeline, the 2.3 million figure. Look only at the Payroll Survey, and there has been a gain of only 522,000 jobs since Bush took office.

But here’s the rub. The Household Survey is used to determine the unemployment rate and accounts for those who are self-employed, and small emerging businesses that might be overlooked by the Payroll Survey. But the number of U.S. firms isn’t static, and the "fixed list" used by the BLS for phoning established businesses does not reflect new entrepreneurial activity.

People are called at home and asked if they have jobs, or if they are in the market for a job. In contrast to the Payroll Survey, the Household Survey shows that 2.4 million jobs have been created so far during Bush's time in office.

As Economy.com writer Haseeb Ahmed recently wrote, "something is amiss in the [Payroll] survey."

Credit Where Credit Is Due

That’s not all. When doomsayers, and media spoiling for a fight in an election year, laughed at Bush’s prediction of 2.6 million new jobs this year, not everyone was scoffing.

Ahmed, Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan and others hardly batted an eye. Greenspan said it was "probably feasible" the economy would reach the Bush administration's forecast of adding 2.6 million jobs this year, provided growth continues and the productivity rate slows to more typically levels.

"I don't think it's 'Fantasyland,'" Greenspan said.

"I agree with him," said John Ryding, chief market economist at Bear Stearns. "I think that we will create 2.5 million, possibly more, jobs over the balance of the year."

Ahmed is convinced that "the revision patterns of the early-1990s recovery cycle" will be repeated. A total of 1.4 million job gains were revised upward to 2.9 million in the first 21 months after the end of the last recession, just after Bush Sr. was voted out of office.

34 posted on 03/09/2004 6:02:22 PM PST by petercooper (Florida 2000: Bush 2,912,790 - Gore 2,912,253)
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This issue is really gonna hurt Bush in the upcoming election unless the recovery starts generating lots of jobs. This is the major issue facing him right now.

I have many friends and colleagues who have been out of work for sometime and they are not happy. Bush is the focus of their frustration.
41 posted on 03/09/2004 6:11:58 PM PST by Keen-Minded
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"I was an IT manager who worked an average of 65 hours a week," one "outsourced" woman wrote. "I spend between 10 and 14 hours a day looking for work. I am a single mother with two kids, a mortgage, a car payment, credit card bills and utilities . . . I was able to make my mortgage payment this month using my tax refund. I don't know what I'll do next month."

Another newly unemployed professional wrote, "I am a 48-year-old woman who lost my job. I was with the company for 18 years. My job went to China. My husband is still working but for how long? The company he works for is always threatening to go to India. It's as plain as the nose on our faces that we are becoming a third-world country."

A frustrated local spouse added, "A year and a half ago my husband was laid off after 21 years at a large company in the Valley. We have a stack of copies of the jobs he has applied for. Everyday he applies for jobs. Sometimes the response comes back, 'Sorry we have received too many applications.' He has reworked and reworked his resume. He writes the nice cover letter. He applies for jobs that pay half of what he made just to work, but he can't even get an interview."

What do they all have in common? They all likely worked for large companies. Large companies are constantly looking for ways to cut costs through attrition, layoffs, outsourcing. What else is new? I have a hard time feeling sorry for professionals that are being layed off. When it was blue collar manufacturing jobs that were behing outsourced "professionals" and management didn't give a shit. Now that their jobs are on the chopping block it's suddenly a friggin chrisis.

My advice? Work for a small company or start your own. If you good being such intimate contact with the principals will provide job security. You can forget a lot of benefits (lots of time off, matching 401K, dental and vision, Christmas parties), but your company will likely view you as an asset rather then a liability like big companies do.

49 posted on 03/09/2004 6:16:46 PM PST by Smogger
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67 posted on 03/09/2004 6:30:13 PM PST by freebacon
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Nursing jobs and other medically-related jobs are going begging. Also there is a shortage of auto mechanics. Just some ideas for jobs that can't be outsourced easily.

A number of stay-at-home mothers I know are going back to school and becoming nurses. Their kids are in school and the hours are somewhat flexible. One woman I know home-schools her brilliant teenage daughters during the day and works as a nurse in the evenings.
81 posted on 03/09/2004 6:47:17 PM PST by agrarianlady
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This class warfare nonsense grates my nerves.


Show 'em my motto!

162 posted on 03/09/2004 7:41:57 PM PST by rdb3 (The Servant of Jehovah is the Christ of Calvary and of the empty tomb. <><)
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I keep reading about outsourcing but I still don't know anyone who is out of a job and the unemployment rate is not that high. The people I know who lost jobs have new jobs and the ones that don't either have started their own company or are in school working toward a career change.
185 posted on 03/09/2004 7:59:16 PM PST by dalebert
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"IT" ... what's that - a support department, an "expense"?

Oh right ... those people - the kid who runs around setting up PC's, swapping out failed monitors - that "IT"?

OR is this the "New IT" -

another expense or service part of the business operation?

Yes, a service part if the operation - they don't actually produce anything, but turn out to be necessary when selling to the general public ...

239 posted on 03/09/2004 8:27:53 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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If you can't bear to part with your IT job then consider moving to China, India, Romania, Russia etc.. to keep it. Keep in mind the standard of living is lower.

If you can think of other companies that can use your skills, then by all means - go for it while others wring their hands in despair. It's not as though this is an over night phenom. Outsourcing in IT has been going on for ATEAST 1-15 years! Others have prepared for something else ... and doing better than in their IT position.
250 posted on 03/09/2004 8:33:23 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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I wonder how much of this problem is due to age discrimination in the workplace. I've always heard that they want to push out people over age 50. But now they're trying to push out everybody over age 40. The people that you hear screaming about job loss and outsourcing tend to be 40 and over.
278 posted on 03/09/2004 8:44:49 PM PST by Ciexyz
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Outsourcing isn't a "craze".

And we insource millions of jobs ourselves.

All the buzz words are useless. You have to look at the macro picture of an $11 trillion economy. Nitpicking every little aspect like outsourcing or jobs to Mexico, etc. doesn't mean much.

When I was a kid it was low-skilled jobs to Mexico that was the chatter. Good, low paying jobs should be the ones we replace first. Then it was the threat of Japanese imports and all of their sudden investment into our country (funny, even INSOURCING from Japan to create jobs for Americans is bad), to NAFTA, to free-trade...people whine about every minor change and want some huge government "solution" created by nitpicking politicians that stirred up the masses to begin with that does nothing but drive more businesses away or into the ground.

290 posted on 03/09/2004 8:53:21 PM PST by Fledermaus (Democrats! The party of total Anarchy!)
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293 posted on 03/09/2004 8:53:55 PM PST by foreverfree
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297 posted on 03/09/2004 8:56:25 PM PST by nutmeg (Why vote for Bush? Imagine Commander in Chief John F’in Kerry)
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An engineer from Orlando whose job at the Kennedy Space Center was sent offshore summed it up this way: "I am not remotely concerned about terrorism. I am not even mildly worried about gay marriages. I am in danger of starving to death."

Did ya get that GW? Here is one of those "isolationists" you were talking about in your recent speech.

Who do you think hes voting for in the fall???

302 posted on 03/09/2004 9:00:00 PM PST by Walkin Man
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Hello I'm an mechanic/welder/ fabricator.. I skiped college and choose to follow my dreams of fixing cars... I got more work than I can handle! If you can hold a wrench, shut your mouth and do your job...talk to me!!! You and I can make tons of money!! Fat ass know it all College students need not apply, I don't have the time to teach you convert the metric system to ASE... Let alone teach you lefty loosey righty tighty.
304 posted on 03/09/2004 9:01:08 PM PST by KingNo155
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