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Archaeologists push back beginning of civilization in Americas 400 years
The Daily Telegraph ^ | Dec. 23, 2004 | Nic Fleming

Posted on 12/22/2004 6:09:11 PM PST by bruinbirdman

Archaeologists have unearthed evidence that the oldest civilisation in the Americas dates back 400 years earlier than previously thought, according to research published today.

New radiocarbon dating of 95 samples taken from pyramid mounds and houses suggest that by 3100 BC there were complex societies and communal building of religious monuments across three valleys in Peru.

This emerging civilisation was the first in the Americas to develop centralised decision-making, formalised religion, social hierarchies and a mixed economy based on agriculture and fishing.

The newly uncovered sites in the Fortaleza and Pativilca valleys, along with the nearby previously reported sites in the Supe valley are seen as the earliest common roots of the Inca empire.

Jonathan Haas, of the department of anthropology at the Field Museum in Chicago, who is the lead author of the research published in the journal Nature, said: "The scale and sophistication of these sites is unheard of anywhere in the New World at this time, and almost any time. . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 400; 400years; america; archaeology; archeology; civilization; clovis; decalogue; fortaleza; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; loslunas; northamerica; pativilca; peru; preclovis; precolumbian; supevalley; tencommandments
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1 posted on 12/22/2004 6:09:11 PM PST by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

About 20 years ago Al Gore invented the internet...


2 posted on 12/22/2004 6:10:37 PM PST by Drango (Those who advocate robbing (taxing) Peter to pay Paul...will always have the support of Paul.)
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To: bruinbirdman; blam
Thanks for the post

Interested, Blam?

Merry Christmas.

FMCDH(BITS)

3 posted on 12/22/2004 6:12:10 PM PST by nothingnew (Kerry is gone...perhaps to Lake Woebegone)
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To: Drango
Merry Christmas Drango and algore!

FMCDH(BITS)

4 posted on 12/22/2004 6:13:45 PM PST by nothingnew (Kerry is gone...perhaps to Lake Woebegone)
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To: bruinbirdman

Civilization on the American continent officially began on the 1st of June, 1796 when Tennessee became a state.


5 posted on 12/22/2004 6:24:08 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Drango

God bless Al Gore, carbon dating, and the everlasting coffee health research.


6 posted on 12/22/2004 6:24:11 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: bruinbirdman
I'll bet that before these turkeys get done, they are going to find remnants of the society that existed before the flood of Noah's time.

It has long been speculated that the fine stonework found in places of South America predate that flood.

7 posted on 12/22/2004 6:24:57 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: bruinbirdman

Thanks for the interesting post. I like archeology of the New World.


8 posted on 12/22/2004 6:41:32 PM PST by Snapple
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To: bruinbirdman

So how did they get all the way down to Peru if man supposedly walked to the Americas using the Bering Strait?

Shouldn't there be societies somewhere on the way down there?


9 posted on 12/22/2004 6:46:31 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: weegee
Shouldn't there be societies somewhere on the way down there?

Most of the cultures in North America never got to far beyond the stone age, but some intriguing remnants all over the place. The coolest one the I saw were at Mazinaw Lake, south of Ottawa- lots of huge pictographs, similar to cave paintings, halfway up the face of a 200ft cliff.

10 posted on 12/22/2004 6:58:37 PM PST by Squawk 8888
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To: nightdriver
I'll bet that before these turkeys get done,

Pointless insult of some archaeologists for no reason?

11 posted on 12/22/2004 7:08:02 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: weegee
see Kon-Tiki

They didn't necessarily walk. It's very possible they came by boat.

12 posted on 12/22/2004 7:12:09 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day ("Supporting the Troops" means you want them to WIN.)
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To: restornu; Utah Girl; Grig

FYI


13 posted on 12/22/2004 7:12:49 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day ("Supporting the Troops" means you want them to WIN.)
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To: bruinbirdman; SunkenCiv

ping


14 posted on 12/22/2004 7:14:22 PM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulation. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Thing about the Kon-Tiki is that Heyerdahl has been proven to be completely wrong by DNA evidence. There's not a scrap of DNA from South Americans in the South Pacific Islands; Polynesians are all from Taiwan and Southeast Asia.


15 posted on 12/22/2004 7:32:22 PM PST by Strategerist
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That's fine and dandy. But the journey could be made, even using very primitive methods. Where they came from is a different story. But once they caught the trade winds or the ocean stream or whatever, a primitive ship could have made it to the Americas.


16 posted on 12/22/2004 7:38:23 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day ("Supporting the Troops" means you want them to WIN.)
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To: Strategerist
"Pointless insult of some archaeologists for no reason?"

No, no, no.

I'm an amateur archaeologist myself. I don't mean to insult, I am generally maintaining a friendly argument with them over pre-historical things.

17 posted on 12/22/2004 7:40:47 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: Snapple
Try reading "The Lost Realms" by Zechariah Sitchin, who claims the Sumerians were in Mexico and Brazil ca 3000 BC. Mebbe, mebbe not but he does tie things together in an interesting manner.

Read 16 Amazon reviews also.

18 posted on 12/22/2004 8:01:35 PM PST by Oatka
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Heyerdahl was trying to prove that people sailed WEST from South America to settle the Polynesian Islands.

It's quite possible some of the immigration from Asia to the Americas was by boat, but most likely in a series of short trips along the coast.

The problem is with the Ice Age ending the coastlines they were moving down are now under quite a bit of water. Hard to do underwater archaeology for that sort of thing.


19 posted on 12/22/2004 8:10:28 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

Yes, you're right, Heyerdahl was trying to link Western Hemisphere to Polynedian migration. But what I thought was interesting (I just saw the Kon-Tiki documentary a couple months ago) was how primitive his boat was, and it made it on such a long voyage.

A primitive vessel COULD have made it from Old World to New, as well. There is no PROOF or EVIDENCE, but the possibility remains. Early mankind may have been more mobile than we give them credit.


20 posted on 12/22/2004 8:14:25 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day ("Supporting the Troops" means you want them to WIN.)
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