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Islamic regime to submerge Iran's historical root (Persepolis & Pasargade)
SMCCDI ^ | Aug 21, 2005

Posted on 08/22/2005 1:02:15 PM PDT by F14 Pilot

The Islamic regime is to submerge part of Iran's past in a shameful historical cleansing, in order to avoid facing more nationalistic problems with future generations. The construction of a very controversial dam project is near completion and soon, the tomb of "Cyrus the Great" and "Persepolis" would be submerged under water.

Cyrus the Great (580-529 BC) (known as Kourosh in Persian; Kouros in Greek; Kores in Hebrew) was the first Achaemenian Emperor and founder of Iran, who issued a decree on his aims and policies, later hailed as his charter of the rights of nations. Inscribed on a clay cylinder, this is known to be the first declaration of Human Rights, and is now kept at the British Museum. A replica of this is also at the United Nations in New York. Part of his charter states: "I am Cyrus. King of the world. When I entered Babylon... I did not allow anyone to terrorize the land... I kept in view the needs of people and all its sanctuaries to promote their well-being... I put an end to their misfortune. The Great God has delivered all the lands into my hand; the lands that I have made to dwell in a peaceful habitation.... . .When my soldiers in great numbers peacefully entered Babylon... I did not allow anyone to terrorize the people... I kept in view the needs of people and all its sanctuaries to promote their well-being... Freed all the slaves... I put an end to their misfortune and slavery (referring to the Jews and other religious minorities). The Great God has delivered all the lands into my hand; the lands that I have made to dwell in a peaceful habitation... " http://www.livius.org/ct-cz/cyrus_I/babylon05.html#Cyrus

The founder of Iran was upright, a great leader of men, generous and benevolent. He's qualified by many as an enlightened liberator, not a heroic conqueror, because of his tolerance and respect for the customs and religions of every region of his great empire. Some might argue that Cyrus was the founder of "multiculturalism. "The Hellenes, whom he conquered regarded him as 'Law-giver' and the Jews as 'the anointed of the Lord'. He freed them from slavery, in Babylonia and helped them to re-build the Temple of David in Jerusalem.

He established a type of federal government for his vast Empire and appointed a governor (satrapi) to represent him in each province. However the administration, legislation, and cultural activities of each province was the responsibility of the Satraps. According to the Greek historian, Xenophon, Cyrus is also reputed to have devised the first postal system. (Achaemenide achievements).

It's believed that the Islamic regime's decision to destroy Cyrus' tomb is due to clerics' fear of what he did represent and the increase of nationalistic sentiments among Iranians. These fears have been boosted as more Iranians are turning from Islam and especially following the news on the future release of a British-US movie on the life of Cyrus the Great. The un-Iranian Islamic regime and its propaganda machine have already labeled the movie as a US-Zionist conspiracy intending to undermine Islam. The independent 80 million dollars budget movie is to be made outside Iran. http://www.chahayagroup.com/

The dogmatic Islamist clerics are considering as pagan anything related to Iran of before the Islamic invasion of 14 centuries ago and a direct threat to their backwarded and barbarian ideology. The Islamists have shown, at several occasions,, their animosity about ancient Iran and are considering it as something 'dirty' while ancient Iran was monotheist and was following Zoroaster guidances of "Good Thought, Good Deed, Good Speak". No slavery was existing in Iran of that time, while Arab conquerors were killing or taking as slave all those who were not accepting the Islamic religion. Many theologists believe that the Abrahamic religions are all inspired from Zoroastrianism.

It's to note that the Islamic republic regime is usurping Iran's chair at the UN and it's a member of UNESCO.


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KEYWORDS: ancient; arsam; civilization; cyrus; cyrusthegreat; dam; darius; freedom; godsgravesglyphs; history; iran; islam; jewish; jews; pasargad; persepolis; persia; radical; reactionary; regime; taliban; terrorism; us; xerxes
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To: ZULU

Iran is a beautiful, green and lovely country!

That is so bad your Media portray my people like bunch of idiots!

You should come and visit Iran to understand what I say!

The regime is different than us, they are not our legitimate rulers!


51 posted on 08/22/2005 3:10:02 PM PDT by Khashayar (No Banana Allowed!)
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To: Publius6961

It's true the Aswan dam lead to the saving of many important sites (at great cost and expense) but it was
a NEEDED project, and not done to destroy Egypt's heritage.

Even the Egyptian government was for saving those sites.

This, this is a travesty.


52 posted on 08/22/2005 3:12:01 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

The rulers of today Iran are not real Iranians. That is why they don't care!


53 posted on 08/22/2005 3:12:51 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot

What can we do to stop this madness ??


54 posted on 08/22/2005 3:16:06 PM PDT by thierrya
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To: thierrya

I don't think we can do much!

http://mensnewsdaily.com/blog/2005/08/islamic-regime-to-sink-roots-to-irans.htm


55 posted on 08/22/2005 3:18:13 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: nuconvert; Khashayar; freedom44; persiandissident; Reza2004

Marvdasht Historical Sites Gradually Destructed

http://www.chn.ir/en/news/?id=5463&section=2


56 posted on 08/22/2005 3:18:52 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: nuconvert

From the above link

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Moreover, the joint activities of Iranian and American archaeologists were launched one month ago in Marvdasht, aiming at completing work done before the Islamic Revolution of Iran.

The team has so far discovered 22 fortresses and settlement areas dating to the Sassanid dynasty, early Islamic era, and third millennium BC.

As the American supervisor of the team,Tobin Hartnell, a PhD student of the University of Chicago, suggests, the settlement areas seem to have been villages, each two to six hectare vast. “The fortresses show that we have discovered an important ancient settlement there.


57 posted on 08/22/2005 3:20:15 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: Darkshadow

LOL...over, under...it's all good.


58 posted on 08/22/2005 3:20:32 PM PDT by Lekker 1 ("Who the hell wants to hear actors talk?"- Harry M. Warner, Warner Bros., 1927)
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To: Lekker 1

This is not funny!


59 posted on 08/22/2005 3:20:55 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: ZULU; nuconvert; Khashayar

Mid-West of Iran

60 posted on 08/22/2005 3:23:12 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot
That sounds like a good idea!
At least, they will be reserved for future generations of mankind

Wael, at least it is a positive, hopeful look at possibilities.

I'd give Bill Gates or T. Boone Pickens a ping, but I've misplaced their screen names.

Surely, a consortium of the world's universities, historical preservation societies, and philanthropists can arouse some deep-pocket interest in saving at least some part of these treasures.  They could book it as an add on fund raiser. 

Better some place like Sonora than the bottom of an artificial lake, methinks.

61 posted on 08/22/2005 3:32:37 PM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: nuconvert

http://www.chnphotoagency.ir/index.php?lang=fa

refresh this page over and over again to see pics!


62 posted on 08/22/2005 3:35:37 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot

These creatures need to be eradicated from the planet. They are a malignancy.


63 posted on 08/22/2005 4:23:09 PM PDT by isrul
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To: F14 Pilot

So, the Persian influence on the Hellenistic tradition will now go the way of the library at Merv or Alexandria? This was an issue at those times of invasion........of Merv in particular by Genghis Khan.


64 posted on 08/22/2005 4:41:24 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: Khashayar; F14 Pilot

PERSEPOLIS AND ANCIENT IRAN
PERSEPOLIS TERRACE: ARCHITECTURE, RELIEFS, AND FINDS

The magnificent palace complex at Persepolis was founded by Darius the Great around 518 B.C., although more than a century passed before it was finally completed. Conceived to be the seat of government for the Achaemenian kings and a center for receptions and ceremonial festivities, the wealth of the Persian empire was evident in all aspects of its construction. The splendor of Persepolis, however, was short-lived; the palaces were looted and burned by Alexander the Great in 331-330 B.C. The ruins were not excavated until the Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago sponsored an archaeological expedition to Persepolis and its environs under the supervision of Professor Ernst Herzfeld from 1931 to 1934, and Erich F. Schmidt from 1934 to 1939.
Palace Complex: Structures, Reliefs, and Inscriptions
The Apadana
The Throne Hall
The Gate of Xerxes
The Treasury
The Palace of Darius
The Palace of Xerxes
The Council Hall
The Harem of Xerxes
Miscellaneous Structures at Persepolis
Contents of the Treasury and Other Discoveries
Cuneiform Tablets
Seals and Seal Impressions
Miscellaneous Finds
Sculpture
The Royal Tombs and Other Monuments
The Sasanian Rock Reliefs at Naqsh-i-Rustam and Naqsh-i-Rajab
The Ka'bah-i-Zardusht

http://oi.uchicago.edu/OI/MUS/PA/IRAN/PAAI/PAAI_Persepolis.html



65 posted on 08/22/2005 5:10:06 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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66 posted on 08/22/2005 5:18:24 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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67 posted on 08/22/2005 5:22:31 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: F14 Pilot

This is unbelievable!!! It makes me ANGRY!!! Of course the Mullahs want to get rid of Persia's TRUE PAST, and it is a past that THEY CAN BE PROUD OF. Iran has been buried in a Dark Night ever since their Islamic revolution. GRRRRRR, this is so WRONG!!!!


68 posted on 08/22/2005 6:09:34 PM PDT by Reborn
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To: Lekker 1
"I am baffled why the Persians embraced an imported religion and were so willing to discard their own heritage."

I'm not one of those who feel Islam is an evil religion, but avoidance of taxes and the opportunities conversion to Islam gave those who abandoned Zoroastrianism could well be why so many gave it up. Not to mention that there were times when the rulers who promoted Islam WERE evil, and no doubt some Persians converted to avoid martyrdom. There are still Zoroastrians in Iran, but not very darned many of them, any more.

The Serbs had similar problems after Kosovo Polje, with similar results for today.
69 posted on 08/22/2005 6:28:16 PM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF (Ret.))
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To: ZULU
Yes, his homepage is awesome. But for me, the pic that always rips my heart out is this one: Look into their beautiful eyes, and you'll easily see into their souls. And then, think about the vermin that is in charge of this beautiful country now! I don't know how the average Persian can stand it.
70 posted on 08/22/2005 6:32:52 PM PDT by Reborn
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To: Old Student

"I'm not one of those who feel Islam is an evil religion, but avoidance of taxes and the opportunities conversion to Islam gave those who abandoned Zoroastrianism could well be why so many gave it up."

http://www.historyofjihad.org/persia.html


How Islam changed the rules of warfare making the entire civilian population of a defeated adversary, into a victim of tyranny...(snip)

The Muslim Arabs hounds who set their eyes on Persia (and the rest of the world) wanted not just to conquer land and impose new administrators and taxes, but they wanted to impose a creed on the Persians and make them as bloodthirsty in turn, to attack, other parts of the world. Those who fell victim to the swords of the Jihadis could only save their lives by becoming Muslims, and in turn bloodthirsty themselves. Islam was a curse on humankind from the word go. At the pain of death, Islam spread like wildfire into Persia, making the Persians also into bloodthirsty wolves like the Muslim Arabs. It was the Persians who a hundred years later were to take this bloodthirsty creed to the Turks and the Turks in turn a few hundred years after that were to attack Byzantine and the Balkans. Today the Persians (Iranians) have faint memories of their pre-Islamic past. The glories of Cyrus and Darius. The student community is becoming increasingly aware of their pre-Islamic past mainly through the website on the Internet, that tell the true story of Iran. And this adds fuel to the restlessness of the young among the Iranian population. Today, they must realize that the twilight of the Mullahs is the last twilight before the dawn of the post-Islamic Iran. Iranians, need to not only overthrow the Mullah regime, but also discard Islam and return to their pre-Islamic Zoroastrian roots. Here we shall trace the struggle waged by Iran (Persia) against the Arab Hordes who forcibly imposed Islam on the defeated Persians at the pain of death and torture....read more at link....


71 posted on 08/22/2005 10:25:41 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: Fred Nerks

i stopped reading after "hounds"


72 posted on 08/22/2005 11:16:08 PM PDT by zimdog
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To: zimdog

'i stopped reading after "hounds"'

I think the word used was 'wolves' but leaving aside one perhaps unnecessary adjective, what argument might you have with the history presented by this writer?


73 posted on 08/23/2005 12:25:39 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: Reborn

"I don't know how the average Persian can stand it."

Interesting statement.
The average Persian doesn't know the Shah. They're too young and pics and news about his family are forbidden.
Even most people old enough to remember, haven't seen pictures of Reza Pahlavi or his mother Farah since they were forced to leave Iran.

But they must feel that almost anyone would be better than who and what they have ruling the country now.


74 posted on 08/23/2005 4:41:25 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: Reborn

We can thank that lower than lowlife, first rate mental imbicle Jimmy Carter.

With all his faults, this guy was head and shoulders above the lunatics running Iran right now.

And the Iranian people were infintelt better off.

I hope Jimmy Carter rots in Hell someday.


75 posted on 08/23/2005 5:52:28 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Publius6961
"Lots of things can happen in 10 years."

As I remember, the area is quite arid, But I'm glad I took the photos I did of Persepolis back when I did back in '75. Iran wasn't that bad of a place back then.
76 posted on 08/23/2005 6:05:53 AM PDT by OldSgt. (USMC, Nam Vet, HMM-165)
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To: Publius6961; blam; SunkenCiv; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; Brad's Gramma; BurbankKarl; ...
Today is officially "National Punctuation Day". Close enough to make a remark about gratuitous repetetive redundancy.

Oh NO!!!

I violate those punctuation rules all the time.

Pinging some other violators....we must clean up our act for at least one day.

77 posted on 08/23/2005 7:11:58 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: F14 Pilot
The Mullahs are an Alien Force, why would they wish to destroy such a glorious History otherwise!
78 posted on 08/23/2005 7:13:21 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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79 posted on 08/23/2005 10:05:10 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: SunkenCiv

BTTT


80 posted on 08/23/2005 1:38:12 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for using your ping list!


81 posted on 08/23/2005 2:37:55 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: SunkenCiv; nuconvert

University of Pennsylvania Archaeologists Return to Iran after 26 Years

http://www.payvand.com/news/05/aug/1221.html


82 posted on 08/23/2005 2:39:12 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot

Good post. Thanks.


83 posted on 08/23/2005 3:33:06 PM PDT by blam
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To: F14 Pilot

It was my pleasure. The nice thing about the U of Penn archaeologists' going back to Iran after 26 years is, they can go on record as critical of US policy toward Iran. That's the one and only reason for them to be going to a country about to destroy one of the most important archaeological sites in the Middle East, and obviously of its own history.


84 posted on 08/23/2005 10:34:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: Fiddlstix

if only there were something to motivate the UN and the nations of the world to take action against the mullahcracy which usurped power in Iran...

World Heritage Site -- Persepolis
"Persepolis" was added to Unesco's World Heritage List in 1979
http://www.worldheritagesite.org/sites/persepolis.html


85 posted on 08/23/2005 10:36:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: F14 Pilot

I noticed that Payvand has a link to "All the Shah's Men", a book which predictably blames the CIA for the international terrorism movement -- something that owes it origins entirely to Joseph Stalin and his hoodlum successors.


86 posted on 08/23/2005 10:53:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Read about Torquemada, a Catholic priest, and tell me that Christians couldn't be characterized the same way.


87 posted on 08/24/2005 7:02:38 AM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF (Ret.))
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To: nuconvert
But they must feel that almost anyone would be better than who and what they have ruling the country now.

The Mullahs' time will come. Their future holds a short rope and a long drop at the hands of their suffering and oppressed people.

88 posted on 08/24/2005 7:25:37 AM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: SittinYonder

A country or culture that does not remember or honor its past has no future.


89 posted on 08/24/2005 2:50:00 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: reagan_fanatic

No, the destruction of such beautiful ruins requires them to die in a much more painful way...or so I think. ;)

Sometimes I wonder why we haven't just nuked Mecca and Medina by now... :-P


90 posted on 08/24/2005 3:34:48 PM PDT by lil_rebbitzen (We have enough youth, how about a fountain of Smart?)
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To: Fred Nerks

"hounds" ia the fourth word. my argument is that arabs are people and not dogs. if this writer wants to be taken seriously as a historian in the modern world, he should write like one.

as an opinion piece, i have no quarrell. the author has made his opinion very clear and everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.


91 posted on 08/25/2005 9:37:03 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: Khashayar
BOMB THE MULLAHS NOW!

It's time for the Qom Bomb!

92 posted on 08/25/2005 9:58:40 PM PDT by night reader (NRA Life Member since 1962)
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