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Parents Sue After 14-Year-Old Daughter Died with Birth Control Patch
Life Site News.net ^ | 11.21.05 | Hilary White

Posted on 11/26/2005 5:56:51 PM PST by Coleus

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To: SeaDragon
And you know their advice is abominable, why??

Because their advice so often involves murder, that's why.

From what knowledge do you give this opinion?

Well, it is of course common knowledge. But let's be specific: they were one of the most monetized, vocal opponents to the recent ballot initiative in California requiring that parents be notified in advance if their minor children are receiving an abortion. Note that the idea that minors need permission isn't even being CONSIDERED. We're just talking about NOTIFICATION.

201 posted on 11/26/2005 11:21:04 PM PST by mcg1969
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To: SeaDragon
That is a bit simplistic, don't you think?

Simplistic, yes. But also true.

The girl was 14 an her parents decided the best thing to do was to let her keep having sex? Then they went out and got her contraceptives so as not to be inconvenienced by the result of her sexual behavior?

Yes, my comment was simplistic. So was the answer to their problem.

202 posted on 11/26/2005 11:21:08 PM PST by Michael.SF. (The other side (in war on terror) is not evil--they just have a different perspective-Chris Mathews)
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To: Loud Mime

I'm not saying they did something illegal, although assisting a 14 year old in fornication might be regarded as child abuse, but they can live with their actions. Hedonism has consequences.


203 posted on 11/26/2005 11:22:12 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Dream Ticket: Cheney/Rice '08)
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive
I was going to say "I guess you never had sex before marriage?" But after seeing your about page, I'm convinced you are still awaiting your big day.

Wow.

So rather than engage in a discussion you decide to lash out and attack right from the get go?

I wonder what it was about my about page that makes you think that. Do you have the courage to answer?I doubt it.

You reveal nothing about yourself, thenlash out at those who do.

So you think my comment was a smart ass reflection on:

a) a 14 year old's decision to go out and F any one she wants to? and

b) her parents decision that the fact that their daughter was out F'n anyone she chose to was something that did have the potential to result in something unwanted.

Maybe they should have just kept her off the patch and simply aborted each unwanted child?

204 posted on 11/26/2005 11:32:12 PM PST by Michael.SF. (The other side (in war on terror) is not evil--they just have a different perspective-Chris Mathews)
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To: Coleus
"For a 14 yr. old???"
Yes for a 14 year old, in some states it is still legal for a 14 year old to be married, certainly you would not deny them access to birth control. I know of several young girls who ran away repeatedly. Their parents could not control them, social services would not place them with foster parents and they had done nothing that would have caused a judge to order them detained, birth control would have been the right choice for all of them, unfortunately they all did not receive it so some children were born to children and some were murdered in the womb.
"yea, so?"
Why raise an issue with me that had nothing to do with what I said in the first place??????
205 posted on 11/26/2005 11:51:32 PM PST by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
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To: krb

Fooling around with hormones is more dangerous than taking drugs. Especially when safer, passive alternatives are far easily available. Same thing goes for the pill too- avoid it.


206 posted on 11/27/2005 12:02:13 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: SeaDragon
If there are possible "fatal" side effects, then it shouldn't be on the market at all.

If that were the case, you would not even be able to buy bottled water.

207 posted on 11/27/2005 12:05:04 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: mombonn
Cheers to you too :)

..and I know I'm in good company when I see your name :)

208 posted on 11/27/2005 4:02:59 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: SeaDragon
Sea Dragon, I believe you honestly think young gifls can go there for information....I will take your word for it.

But please believe, also, that Planned Parenthood has one goal, and only one.

Abortion.

They get the young girls on birth control.....

..and try to imagine immature young girls, who can't remember to do their homework, or what their parents said to them 5 minutes ago...

..remembering to take their birth control pills like the directions said...(and of course, no parents to reference them because the parents haven't been told)

..then, surprise, they get pregnant.

Planned Parenthood is no dummy....they have this down to an artform.

When it began, I too thought the name Planned Parenthood meant a caring organization to help families plan their pregnancies and childbirth.

These organizations start out with innocuous names....but hidden agendas.

209 posted on 11/27/2005 4:11:22 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: Kermit the Frog Does theWatusi
Gee, who do you call to complain?

Planned Parenthood? Maybe Barbara Streisand would know...


210 posted on 11/27/2005 4:14:43 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Coleus

She is married and going to college. I just was afraid she would end up getting pregnant before graduation and not finishing. Plenty of time after graduation to have babies. She wants 4.


211 posted on 11/27/2005 4:51:39 AM PST by Dustbunny (Main Stream Media -- Making 'Max Headroom' a reality.)
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To: RunningWolf

I know many people who take the doctor's word and never get a second opinion, question his methods, treatment options, etc. I never trust the word of them, they are human and can have bad days. I recently yelled at my son's doctor with the resident and 2 med students there. That is why I am thankful for the internet. I can tell you also that my MIL had breast cancer and signed the papers for a mastectomy. She got home and was thinking it was a lumpectomy. She couldn't believe it when the hubby told her about it. She was there and not hearing what the doctor said.

Ultimately the parents are responsible, unless she wants an abortion, according to the state. I have a one year old daughter, and I pray that when she is that age, I will have instilled enough morals and values into her that she wouldn't feel the need to do this. I also will do my best to teach her that her body is special, a covenant that is to be shared with her husband.

I also know a girl from highschool who, at her 40th reunion, will be known as back alley Sally. I will tell that to my daughter often. Kids don't realize what a small role highschool plays in their lives. People will barely recall the good things they did there, but they will always remember the bad.


212 posted on 11/27/2005 5:46:09 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (I have a drink at night for my heart. Yeah, my heart, that's it.)
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To: metmom

Thanks. My daughter has four younger brothers (soon to be five) and a very realistic picture of the Male Gender, including his diapers :-).


213 posted on 11/27/2005 5:47:57 AM PST by Tax-chick (Advent starts November 27 ... have you dusted yet?)
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To: Coleus
This controlled substance is being sold even though it causes fatalities. Is that more socially irresponsible than Enron? The only thing Enron stole was money.
214 posted on 11/27/2005 5:48:36 AM PST by Bernard (You can either deal with your situation or be a liberal about it.)
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To: Michael.SF.

I checked out your page after that comment and thought it was because if you were a single male, seeing all of the ugly, scary women's pictures you had on it would frighten any man away from marriage, possible women entirely. Then, as I scrolled down further, I didn't understand the comment either. Maybe it was cocktail hour for them? :)


215 posted on 11/27/2005 5:51:33 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (I have a drink at night for my heart. Yeah, my heart, that's it.)
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To: WV Mountain Mama
seeing all of the ugly, scary women's pictures you had on it would frighten any man away from marriage, possible women entirely

LOL.

I may have to work on the arrangement of my profile page. I had not really looked at it from that perspective.

Maybe I should start with the photo of Kathleen Harris on the horse? I love that picture of her

216 posted on 11/27/2005 8:22:18 AM PST by Michael.SF. (The other side (in war on terror) is not evil--they just have a different perspective-Chris Mathews)
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To: SeaDragon
If there are possible "fatal" side effects, then it shouldn't be on the market at all.

Every drug, from asprin on up has possible fatal side effects.

Do you want to outlaw all medication?

SO9

217 posted on 11/27/2005 8:41:51 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington

"Hedonism has consequences."

I had a step-daughter that was a real problem. Every word, act, concept, element of time or effort of persuasion was relative to what she wanted. If you rule out illegal acts, there's no way to control their behavior or to communicate with such an animal, so you just try to protect them from the consequences of THEIR hedonism.

It is possible that the parents were doing just that. I'm not going to judge them, and I doubt that they wanted their daughter to engage in sex. They're faced with a sad loss. Personally, they should just take the loss and stop listening to lawyers.


218 posted on 11/27/2005 9:34:05 AM PST by Loud Mime (Bad Lawmakers = Bad Law = Infinite Lawyers)
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To: Fire_on_High
[Smacks self on forehead]

My daughter's been taking hormone pills (i.e., birth control pills) since she was 13 or 14, because of "hormone problems" (debilitating cramps, extreme behavioral episodes). I'm sure she would agree with you.

I decided to take a look at the Full U.S. Prescribing Information (PDF) for the Ortho patch. The indications say, "ORTHO EVRA is indicated for the prevention of pregnancy in women who elect to use a transdermal patch as a method of contraception." They don't define who "women" are, but further on they mention three clinical trials performed on 18-45 year olds. They leave it up to the physician to decide possible safety in younger or older women.

219 posted on 11/27/2005 10:03:41 AM PST by AZLiberty (She couldn't control Biil's zipper. She wants to control the nation.)
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To: Bernard
This controlled substance is being sold even though it causes fatalities.

It prevents more fatalities than it causes. Isn't that socially responsible?

220 posted on 11/27/2005 10:15:12 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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