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Pharaonic tomb find stuns Egypt [Possibly Nefertiti ... find by American archaeologists]
BBC News on line ^ | February 10, 2006 | Unsigned

Posted on 02/10/2006 3:57:33 PM PST by aculeus

Archaeologists have discovered an intact, ancient Egyptian tomb in the Valley of the Kings, the first since King Tutankhamun's was found in 1922.

A University of Memphis-led team found the previously unknown tomb complete with sarcophagi and five mummies.

The archaeologists have not yet been able to identify them.

But Egypt's chief archaeologist Zahi Hawass says they "might be royals or nobles" moved from "original graves to protect them from grave robbers".

"We don't really know what kind of people are inside but I do believe they look royal. Maybe they are kings or queens or nobles," he told Reuters news agency.

Bob Partridge, of the Ancient Egypt Society, said it could possibly be the tomb of Queen Nefertiti, who co-ruled Egypt between 1379 and 1358 BC. Her tomb has never been found.

"Nefertiti was probably buried to the north of Egypt at a place called Akhetaten," he told BBC News24.

"It's believed that the burials there, which included Nefertiti and some of her daughters, were brought back to the Theban area, and the Valley of the Kings would be the obvious place."

The Valley of the Kings, near the city of Luxor in southern Egypt, was used for burials for around 500 years from 1540BC onwards.

Surprise find

The newly-found tomb is thought to date from the 18th Pharaonic Dynasty, the first dynasty of the New Kingdom which ruled between 1539BC and 1292BC and made its capital in Thebes, now Luxor.

It is the 63rd tomb to be discovered since the valley was first mapped in the 18th century, and was unexpectedly found only five metres away from King Tutankhamun's.

The team of archaeologists had not been looking for it.

"The excavation team was focused on the tomb of a 19th Dynasty pharaoh, King Amenmesses," Patricia Podzorski, curator of Egyptian Art at the University of Memphis, told the BBC's World Tonight.

"They were working in front of the tomb looking for foundation deposits possibly related to that tomb, and clearing away some workmen's huts from the 19th Dynasty that were both to the left and right side of the tomb," she explained.

"Underneath these workmen's huts, they found a shaft."

Four metres below the ground was a single chamber containing sarcophagi with coloured funerary masks and more than 20 large storage jars bearing Pharaonic seals.

The sarcophagi were buried rapidly in the small tomb for an unknown reason.

The discovery has come as a surprise to many, Ms Podzorski said.

"People have been saying the valley was done for 100 years," she said.

"They said it before Howard Carter found King Tutankhamun's tomb and they said it after. But, obviously, they are still wrong."

Story from BBC NEWS Published: 2006/02/10 23:26:27 GMT

© BBC MMVI


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KEYWORDS: ancientegypt; archaeology; egypt; godsgravesglyphs; kv63; nefertiti; pharaonic; tomb; valleyofthekings; zahihawass; zowiehawass
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1 posted on 02/10/2006 3:57:35 PM PST by aculeus
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To: aculeus

This American?


2 posted on 02/10/2006 4:04:21 PM PST by msnimje (SAMMY for SANDY --- THAT IS WHAT I CALL A GOOD TRADE!!!)
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To: aculeus

New book: "Nefertiti Has Five Mummies."


3 posted on 02/10/2006 4:07:26 PM PST by Erasmus (One fine day, sad to say, we'll all be Democrat voters.)
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To: aculeus

Nefertiti, wow. If true, that is quite the find, indeed.


4 posted on 02/10/2006 4:13:22 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

fyi


5 posted on 02/10/2006 4:14:45 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: aculeus

Dead 3,000 years? That is so hot! Is her husband around? I'd like to date that mummy...

6 posted on 02/10/2006 4:17:07 PM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: aculeus

Here's a link to Yahoo news. It has pictures from the public unveiling of the tomb today.

http://fullcoverage.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/sc/021903anthroarchaeo;_ylt=AokWyzgSWE.wEp_UEikuNfVFeQoB;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl


7 posted on 02/10/2006 4:20:38 PM PST by jimtorr
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To: NormsRevenge
Nefertiti, wow. If true, that is quite the find, indeed.

Yes it is. This breaking story will make major news in tomorrow's papers.

Unfortunately the thread has already attracted some would-be (unfunny) FR comedians.

8 posted on 02/10/2006 4:25:32 PM PST by aculeus
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To: jimtorr

Great Link. 89 pictures...a little tough on my dial-up though.


9 posted on 02/10/2006 4:25:44 PM PST by blam
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To: Caipirabob

hahaha...


10 posted on 02/10/2006 4:25:45 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: Erasmus
"New book: "Nefertiti Has Five Mummies.""

LOL! Now that's funny.

Now if they could just get Germany to give Egypt back her head.

11 posted on 02/10/2006 4:30:42 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: jimtorr

Photos were excellent but also frustrating, in that only that one isolated view was avaiable. I'm sure eager to see more, to state the obvious.

But, also, that photo of the "head of a 3000-year-old statue of King Amenhotep III" was great to see, given that the only thing previously about that discovery I've seen was in-site, whence the head was positioned face down as it was discovered. So, seeing it full on is truly something...it's quite beautifully done, and quite beautiful because of that, in addition to the antiquity involved.


12 posted on 02/10/2006 4:32:06 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: Caipirabob

LOL! Especially since Nefertiti was supposed to be quite the babe.


13 posted on 02/10/2006 4:35:08 PM PST by Andy'smom
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To: aculeus

40 million comedians out of work and all of them hang out at FR, yaknow. ;-)


14 posted on 02/10/2006 4:43:20 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: jimtorr

Thanks for the link.


15 posted on 02/10/2006 4:44:52 PM PST by aculeus
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To: NormsRevenge
40 million comedians out of work and all of them hang out at FR, yaknow. ;-)

I like comedians. Can't we recruit some who are less predictable?

16 posted on 02/10/2006 4:46:07 PM PST by aculeus
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To: MillerCreek

Best time I ever spent overseas was traipsing thru the Cairo museum, incredible is all I can say as I walked up and down the aisles and exhibits.. that and R&R in Korea and the Phillipines, the times I remember, anyway. The camel ride at Giza was so so and the inside of the pyramid was kind of odorous, to say the least. ;-)


17 posted on 02/10/2006 4:46:31 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: aculeus

5 meters from Tutankhamen, and they did not notice until now?


18 posted on 02/10/2006 4:48:17 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: aculeus
Headline:

Nefertiti: the ultimate MILF!

Mummy I'd Like to Find! ;-)

19 posted on 02/10/2006 4:49:13 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
Mummy I'd Like to Find! ;-)

LOL

20 posted on 02/10/2006 4:53:42 PM PST by fedupjohn (If we try to fight the war on terror with eyes shut + ears packed with wax, innocent people will die)
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To: aculeus

SG-1 killed her a few years ago. That mummy's an imposter!


21 posted on 02/10/2006 4:54:43 PM PST by toddlintown (Lennon takes six bullets to the chest, Yoko is standing right next to him and not one f'ing bullet?)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Actually, a recent book claims that Nefertiti's mummy was found decades ago, but not identified properly until the author's book came out. (From the photos inside--of the mummy and comparisons with her famous portrait bust, it appears he may be right.)

However, this tomb might house some of the court officials of Tut; or daughters of Akenaten; or ?


22 posted on 02/10/2006 4:57:28 PM PST by CondorFlight
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To: NormsRevenge

I've always wanted to tour Egypt but what with the times being what they are...just say I am no longer considering a trip there, despite my academic interests otherwise.

Enjoyed reading about your experiences, there.


23 posted on 02/10/2006 5:02:00 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: Brilliant

Yeah saw that also. I mean nobody thought to dig a few yards left, right, or up or down???


24 posted on 02/10/2006 5:06:34 PM PST by nomorelurker (wetraginhell)
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To: blam
So, would this be considered one of the earliest spider holes?


25 posted on 02/10/2006 5:10:16 PM PST by ThreePuttinDude ()......Politically incorrect by Intelligent Design........()
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To: MillerCreek

I've been lucky enough to be able to see a fair chunk of the globe as part of business and military travel.

I was in South Africa and the Middle East in the mid 80s before it tipped upside down and when martial law was still the order of the day in Korea and the Philippines in the early 70s.

Now, I'm pretty much anchored and occasionally cruise to alaska or mexico, and right now, Mexico is off that short list as well.

Never set foot on the European continent, probably never will , Oh well. I would like to have made a trip thru Czechoslovakia to trace some family roots. Got to save something for the next time around. ;-)


26 posted on 02/10/2006 5:55:02 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: aculeus

Wooden sarcophagi with coloured funerary masks containing mummies are shown by Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities in a tomb four meters beneath the ground level in the Valley of the Kings at Luxor's West Bank. The tomb, uncovered by American archaeologist Otto Schaden, is the first to be discovered in the Valley since Tutankhamun's in 1922.(AFP/Khaled Desouki)


A 3,000-year-old Pharaonic coffin lies among other items in a newly discovered tomb at the valley of the Kings in Luxor, Egypt February 10, 2006. The tomb, discovered this week by a U.S. team from the University of Memphis, contains coffins and mummies and clay containers all yet to be analysed by experts. REUTERS/Aladin Abdel Naby


27 posted on 02/10/2006 6:45:12 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Excellent photos.


28 posted on 02/10/2006 7:07:16 PM PST by aculeus
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To: aculeus

They are from a smaller set than the earlier linked set.


29 posted on 02/10/2006 7:11:05 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: aculeus
Many African-Americans claim the ancient Egyptians were black African. The painted face on this sarcophagus, untouched since ancient times, indicates otherwise.


30 posted on 02/10/2006 7:19:47 PM PST by Wolfstar (Someday when we meet up yonder, we'll stroll hand in hand again, in a land that knows no parting...)
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To: aculeus

If I dig up a corpse or a tomb I'm thrown in jail. If some a-hole archeologist does it, they're regarded as great scientists. Who the hell wrote the law saying it was ok to dig up or disturb anyone's grave????? By what right do these sanctimonius a-holes conduct this barbaric and totally NON-essential criminal activity. It is morally reprehensible!


31 posted on 02/10/2006 7:25:27 PM PST by Doc Savage (Of all these things you can be sure, only love...will endure.......................)
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To: NormsRevenge; aculeus; CondorFlight; blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; StayAt HomeMother; ...
Great jokes so far, guffaw guffaw. My best guess is, the next thing to show up will be a picture of the bus from that TV show. Could be way off though...

Thanks NormsRevenge for the ping! Thanks aculeus for posting the topic. This one is something like number four about this, but there's a little more info with each passing post. :') Soooo, I'm pinging yet again. I had a nice couple of hours today looking over a special exhibition from the Egyptian museums, and am still on a bit of a high from it. Don't tell anyone, but while the guards weren't lookin', I touched some of the art.
Bob Partridge, of the Ancient Egypt Society, said it could possibly be the tomb of Queen Nefertiti, who co-ruled Egypt between 1379 and 1358 BC. Her tomb has never been found. "Nefertiti was probably buried to the north of Egypt at a place called Akhetaten," he told BBC News24. "It's believed that the burials there, which included Nefertiti and some of her daughters, were brought back to the Theban area, and the Valley of the Kings would be the obvious place."
CondorFlight, here's a post regarding the supposed Nefertiti in KV 35. :')

To all, here's a post regarding my hope, which may be realized soon. However, Zahi "Zowie" Hawass must have had someone read the cartouches to him (snicker) by now, and knows exactly who the canopic jars were made for. :')

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32 posted on 02/10/2006 8:36:21 PM PST by SunkenCiv ([singing] Kaboom, kaboom, ya da da da da da, ya da da da da da...)
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US dig uncovers King Tut's neighbours
The Age | February 9, 2006 - 2:26AM
Posted on 02/08/2006 10:48:04 AM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1574477/posts

Intact tomb found in Egypt's Valley of the Kings
reuters | February 9, 2006 | staff
Posted on 02/09/2006 7:32:55 AM PST by AdmSmith
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1575119/posts

Tomb Found in Egypt's Valley of Kings
The Houston Chronicle | February 10, 2006 | TANALEE SMITH
Posted on 02/10/2006 7:21:28 AM PST by Founding Father
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1575862/posts


33 posted on 02/10/2006 8:37:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv ([singing] Kaboom, kaboom, ya da da da da da, ya da da da da da...)
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To: aculeus

It's only a matter of time before we get the obligatory Helen Thomas photo and some asinine comment about her being Nefertiti's mother-in-law or something...

Sad.

This place used to have some serious conservative debaters...


34 posted on 02/10/2006 8:50:34 PM PST by djf
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To: SunkenCiv

canopic jars,, cartouches..

Smuckers :)


35 posted on 02/10/2006 8:54:15 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

WOW! Obviously, somebody of some import. Most likely will be a person we know about from the written records. Could fill in many gaps and unanswered questions!


36 posted on 02/10/2006 8:54:39 PM PST by djf
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To: jimtorr

Thanks for that link, great pics. What a great find. No mention of the condition of the mummy's or what the jugs might contain.


37 posted on 02/10/2006 9:20:14 PM PST by Dustbunny (Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath awa)
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To: Doc Savage

They embalmed these royals that they might have everlasting life, yadda.

Maybe they were envisioning just this kind of thing....the art, bodies, and stories upon the walls are to be preserved and recorded in a far-off modern age for *all time*....sort of like a time-capsule on steroids.

Kind of like the theory that, without historical timing, to wit, the Roman Empire, Jesus' legacy and teachings would have been forgotten. But for these burials, who would know of, or ever see, these once-great kings?? Y'know?

Bodies are dug up all the time. Y' gots to have a reasonable reason. And lawful sanction.


38 posted on 02/10/2006 10:22:20 PM PST by dasboot
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To: NormsRevenge

Elderberry is my favorite. :') I wound up spending two hours and more at the local museum today, oops, yesterday, experiencing the special exhibition from Egypt's museums. Lots of 18th & 19th Dynasty, along with some Middle Kingdom. I got the audio tour option, so Jeremy Irons narrated my trip. Oddly enough, the Irons soundtrack is available on CD in the gift shop. That's hard to figure.


39 posted on 02/10/2006 10:24:01 PM PST by SunkenCiv ([singing] Kaboom, kaboom, ya da da da da da, ya da da da da da...)
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To: the-ironically-named-proverbs2
The first intact tomb found since 1922, discovered accidentally by Americans. Talk about timing.


40 posted on 02/10/2006 10:40:07 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal (As it was in the days of NO...)
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To: SunkenCiv

Elderberry, Oh yeah.. I always buy some when in
Alaska, they grow 'em nice and plump up there.

I remember picking choke cherries as a kid, they have a nice zing to them too when ya cook and can 'em..

Like a good jam or jelly, finds like those in Egypt don't come along much anymore , it will be a pleasure to share and savor the finds.


41 posted on 02/10/2006 10:40:13 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Alaskan elderberries... hmm... there are also buffalo berries which are edible, and one variety of elderberries which isn't. :') Berries iz goood.


42 posted on 02/10/2006 10:44:06 PM PST by SunkenCiv ([singing] Kaboom, kaboom, ya da da da da da, ya da da da da da...)
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To: Berosus; Thinkin' Gal; 75thOVI; AndrewC; Avoiding_Sulla; BenLurkin; CGVet58; chilepepper; ...

Hey, look what Thinkin' Gal posted...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1576212/posts?page=40#40


43 posted on 02/10/2006 10:45:13 PM PST by SunkenCiv ([singing] Kaboom, kaboom, ya da da da da da, ya da da da da da...)
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To: aculeus
" . . . Zahi Hawass says they "might be royals or nobles" . . . "

No comment.

44 posted on 02/10/2006 10:54:47 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: SunkenCiv

What'd I say? :-)

Do you have that book? I bought it years ago.

Grabbed it off the bookcase a couple feet away from me.

This is going to be interesting.


45 posted on 02/10/2006 10:58:35 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal (As it was in the days of NO...)
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To: Eastbound; Lijahsbubbe
Zahi Hawass says...

Sort of like, "Ricky Butler says..."

(allusion to The 'Burbs)

For some reason, Zahi Hawass reminds me of Geraldo.

46 posted on 02/10/2006 11:01:02 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal (As it was in the days of NO...)
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To: Caipirabob

They call it "carbon dating."


47 posted on 02/11/2006 2:51:03 AM PST by Erasmus (One fine day, sad to say, we'll all be Democrat voters.)
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To: aculeus
"Zahi Hawass"

Everyone take a drink.

48 posted on 02/11/2006 3:58:17 AM PST by dread78645 (Intelligent Design. It causes people to misspeak)
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To: Erasmus
LOL! Very clever...good one!
49 posted on 02/11/2006 4:04:36 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: SunkenCiv

I was told that book is mighty hard to come by these days, when I brought my copy to the David Rohl seminar two years ago. However, I don't think the figure on the cover (the Biblical Joseph) is in the newly discovered tomb. Isn't he supposed to be somewhere under Nablus?


50 posted on 02/11/2006 4:52:09 AM PST by Berosus ("There is no beauty like Jerusalem, no wealth like Rome, no depravity like Arabia."--the Talmud)
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