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"A HOUSE DIVIDED" - Pukin's FReeperversary Rant

Posted on 05/17/2006 7:47:58 AM PDT by Pukin Dog

Edited on 05/17/2006 8:30:59 AM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." – Abraham Lincoln, 1858

It is getting somewhat strange around these parts when not only the President, but yesterday the First Lady was personally attacked by someone claiming to be a ‘Conservative’. Can there be any doubt that there are forces among us looking to drive a wedge between us?

A few weeks ago, this forum’s owner attempted to remind all of us of the big picture, that regardless of any personal animosity towards the President or Republican Party over their adherence to Conservative principles, that they are still a clear choice over the alternative Democrat Party rule. At that time, I assumed that FReeper-sanity had been restored, and that some of the negative rhetoric aimed at those in Washington D.C. would be dialed back.

Free Republic is a political forum with a proud history and vision, responsible for dragging Dan Rather from his post, and providing countless radio-talk shows with their daily talking points. FReepers are unique in their determination and energy towards protecting and defending the goals of our Founding Fathers.

We are also quite a powder keg of emotion and anticipation, expecting our Republican majorities to take advantage of this opportunity to make permanent gains in our Conservative agenda. Some might argue that this opportunity has been squandered, but those persons would be ignorant of history, lacking understanding that change cannot occur overnight in Washington, and that this is the way our Founders designed our Republic.

In frustration, impatience, and ignorance, we have allowed this forum to become a haven for those who do not share our Conservative goals. I do not blame our enemies anymore then I would blame a scorpion for stinging me. If anger and stupidity were one’s nature, I would expect the trolls that infect this forum to be angry and stupid consistently, which also makes them somewhat easy to detect.

The trolls are not the problem, though. The problem is that so many of us are allowing ourselves to be taken in by those who seek only to prevent us from going to the polls in November to keep their stinking hands off our government for another term. There can be no doubt, that no matter how disappointing our current government has been in promoting the Conservative agenda, that the alternative, enabled by our staying home will be MUCH worse.

The way to deal with Republicans who have actively worked against our goals is to defeat them in Primary elections. We do not even have to defeat them all, only enough of them to send the message that we will indeed target them if they work against our agenda. It should be the goal of EVERY conservative to see that Lincoln Chaffee is defeated in November. His seat is one we can afford to lose. Were I a Rhode Island resident, I would vote for the Democrat if only to send a message to Snowe, Hagel, Collins, Graham, and especially that bastard Specter that their primaries just got a lot tougher.

We only need to get one of them, and Chaffee is the one to get. It does not really matter if a Democrat takes his seat; he will be junior and mute as long as we maintain our overall majority in the Senate.

The one thing that bothers me here like nothing else, is the simple disrespect of the President. Am I am Bush-Bot? Damn straight I am. If you want to know why, click on my handle to read Southack’s excellent list of Bush’s accomplishments in office. But if Bush had done almost nothing in office, it would be no excuse for some of the slights and disrespect he has received from some of us on this forum.

Some of the things I have read here this past week match in tone what one can find on our favorite Democrat sewer site. Someone calling himself or herself a FReeper was promoting shooting aliens at the border until they stopped coming. Is that what we are about? Obviously not, and that so-called Conservative has been eliminated from this forum.

I think it is important to remember that you and I have just as much responsibility as George Bush does in changing our culture to better reflect Conservative values. Right now, this very moment, Conservatives have the government they deserve. We put them there. They are not our mommies and daddies sent out to bring home our Conservative bread. That responsibility lies with all of us. These Republicans represent us, they don’t serve us. Our job is to pick the best individual and send him/her to Washington in the hope that their CHARACTER will see them through.

This is why it is such a nutty thing to consider punishing the Republican party, when we should be letting them know that we’ve got their back, but if they cant do the job, we will replace them with ANOTHER Republican, instead of handing the reigns of government to the party of anger, hopelessness and despair. We sometimes like to think that those people we send to Washington are different from us, that they are capable of meeting our every need and desire.

I want every one of you to think about what you would consider to be your perfect mate. Maybe some of you think you have found that person. If you are married and totally in love with another person, that is great. Now I want to ask you to think about the last time that person you love, who is PERFECT for you, completely pissed you off. Remember, this is your perfect mate, your one true love. Do they do everything you want them to do? Obey your every desire? If you answer yes, I am going to put you on my troll list.

Those people in Washington do not even cut your lawn, yet you expect perfection. Get over it.

I am issuing a challenge to every person who considers him or her to be a Conservative; why don’t we all commit to a return to HONOR? Do we honor our Conservative agenda when we comport ourselves in disgraceful ways? Is it an honorable thing to suggest that our President is a moron, as I read here a few days ago? Is it honorable to attack Laura Bush or any other person representing true Conservative values?

Some of you might argue that George Bush is not representing Conservative values to your liking. I would remind you that the first thing Bush said upon taking office, is that he was going to be President of ALL the people, not just some. You know that if you followed Bush from the beginning that he campaigned of the very immigration platform he is defending right now. Did you vote for him? Yeah?

If you have ever had a steak at a Ruth’s Chris restaurant, you know that sometimes they bring that wonderful steak to your table with a sprig of parsley on it. I hate parsley. Hate it. If I were to treat my steak the way some of us want to treat our President, I would have to throw out the steak, due to that nasty parsley that comes with it. I can deal with the parsley to get the steak, and that is what I am asking FReepers to do.

Expecting perfection from any person, group or team is a recipe for disaster. George W. Bush is my president. You can disagree with him, you can blame him for your problems if that is your desire. If you disrespect his office, his service, his risking his life to be with our troops in Iraq, his steadfast desire to bring a new tone to Washington, or if you just like the way he keeps Democrats so pissed off they lose their minds on a regular basis, I ask you to treat him and his wife with respect and cut the personal attacks. If you call him ‘Shrub’ or ‘Jorge’ consider yourself my enemy.

Right now, our real enemy are the Main Stream Media, the Democrat Party, and all who follow and support them. If you want to jump-ugly on someone, why not start with those leaky bastards and give our side a break?

Do it for Pukin.

I knew that you could.


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To: Maximus of Texas; teenyelliott; nopardons
Teeny would rip you a new one so its best if you walk away slowly. Very slowly.

Not this ONE, sorry but Teeny is out of her league here, really

2,961 posted on 05/18/2006 12:19:56 PM PDT by apackof2 (That Girl is a Cowboy)
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To: CWOJackson
If you're tired of have a vocal minority

Byron York discussed a poll last week that showed Republicans opposed Bush on immigration 52 to 40. So it is not a vocal minority here, it is a vocal MAJORITY.

Like I said, you are entitled to your own opinion. But not your own facts.

2,962 posted on 05/18/2006 12:20:47 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: CWOJackson
dirtboy, you folks do that well enought to yourselves.

I see most of the insults regarding this issue coming from your side, CWO. As you have shown on this thread.

2,963 posted on 05/18/2006 12:21:48 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: dirtboy
LOL! You mental midgets who have been attacking the President since he came into office can't seem to make up your minds. One day you hate the polls and call them bunk, then next day you embrace them and call them the gospel.

That's not opinion...we see it all the time here. TS.

2,964 posted on 05/18/2006 12:22:22 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: apackof2; teenyelliott; nopardons
Pack, sit here with me and let's enjoy the show.
2,965 posted on 05/18/2006 12:22:35 PM PDT by Maximus of Texas (On my signal, pull my finger.)
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To: CWOJackson
LOL! You mental midgets who have been attacking the President since he came into office can't seem to make up your minds. One day you hate the polls and call them bunk,

Mental midgets - let's add that to CWOCivilitie's list of insults. Oh, and care to call Byron York a mental midget?

And show me where I have called the polls bunk, CWO. The polls show a majority of pubbies oppose Bush on immigration. As do conservatives in the Senate and the vast majority of the GOP House. Do you want to call the GOP House members mental midgets as well?

2,966 posted on 05/18/2006 12:24:57 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: dirtboy

So who was right those who warned of the result of voting for Perot or those who insisted on doing so? Those who supported a President with more class in his little finger than the entire Clinton clan or those blindly following their pique voting for the Little Lunatic? Those who supported a President with a strong and comprehensive foreign policy who had just won a brilliantly executed war or those whose immaturity and blindness brought us a Traitorous PoS who sold National Security to the highest bidder and promoted Hillary the Hideous?

If you have read some of my posts you can clearly see I do not care one whit if I am outside the Politically Correct arena on issues and that I call a spade a spade. Voting or working in any way to increase the power of the Party of Treason is insanity whether you like that being said or not.


2,967 posted on 05/18/2006 12:25:50 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Pukin Dog

Great post (I'm taking my wife to Ruth's Chris tomorrow night too ; )


2,968 posted on 05/18/2006 12:26:04 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: dirtboy
Yes, mental midgets. Since you folks are suddenly so caught up in poll numbers let's look at some other interesting numbers: the percentage of votes your candidates receive in an election.

Did you take percentages in school...it might be pretty hard to follow along otherwise.

You folks try to talk major league but you bat bush league consistently.

2,969 posted on 05/18/2006 12:27:28 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Tatze
Not much more I can add that Millee and Najida haven't already said. But it seems to me that you would be devastated if you ever got banned. He just doesn't hold FR up on a giant pedestal, as you apparently do. He's not upset in the slightest that FR didn't want him around anymore.

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Glad to hear it.

2,970 posted on 05/18/2006 12:28:24 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Vicomte13

"The President and the Senate are acting as though they are caught in a political vice, but if they are, it is an INVISIBLE vice."

Another eloquent plea. I'm glad you've overcome the gloom to make another attempt. But, I'm sure you meant "vise" here, although "vice" may ultimately prove more accurate.


2,971 posted on 05/18/2006 12:28:35 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: justshutupandtakeit
"Yet all this is forgotten in the Illegal Insanity sweeping FR."

Classic misdirection. Don't forget, the likes of Bill O'Reilly never supported the WOT, though he might have claimed to whenever he felt it would keep his ratings level.

Though immigration is a real, ongoing problem which has been with us for decades, I find this sudden, strident, venomous interest in it from people who never made a peep during the eight years of the Clinton administration suspicious...especially since they claim to stand so strongly on principle. It looks agenda driven to an old, ulcer-ridden analyst like me.

It's like the "No Framable, Official Declaration of War!! Complete With Fancy Curlycues Around the Edges so It's an ILLEGAL POLICE ACTION" threads, which the Democrats shortened to "illegal war" rhetoric.

This thread, though mostly a stellar example of how people from opposind factions of the same side can attempt to make their points civilly has degenerated a bit in the past hundred or so posts.

2,972 posted on 05/18/2006 12:29:19 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Drugs? Illegals? Legalize and Tax 'Em All, Right? Right??)
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To: CWOJackson
Yes, mental midgets. Since you folks are suddenly so caught up in poll numbers let's look at some other interesting numbers: the percentage of votes your candidates receive in an election.

That's funny. Last I checked, every pubbie in the House who is opposed to Bush on this won their last election.

Did you take percentages in school...it might be pretty hard to follow along otherwise.

If you are going to insult someone, it might be a good idea to not commit a major logical fallocy in the previous paragraph like you did here.

You folks try to talk major league but you bat bush league consistently.

Hmmm ... now you are calling the House GOP members bush league? Last I checked, it was the Dems and RINOs who were in the same league with Bush on his immigration agenda, with the conservatives opposed.

2,973 posted on 05/18/2006 12:30:21 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: CWOJackson

I'm about ready to break out the cheese puffs. Getting tired of popcorn...


2,974 posted on 05/18/2006 12:31:06 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Drugs? Illegals? Legalize and Tax 'Em All, Right? Right??)
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To: Maximus of Texas

Its been quite a show so far......


2,975 posted on 05/18/2006 12:31:59 PM PDT by apackof2 (That Girl is a Cowboy)
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To: Vicomte13

#2896 Excellent analysis--you did a very thorough job of articulating it. Thanks. Wonder who the sacrificial lamb will be. LOL only my heart aches.


2,976 posted on 05/18/2006 12:32:27 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th (Send-a-Brick.com. Send a brick to Washington and cash to Minutemen for a wall.)
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To: cake_crumb
Though immigration is a real, ongoing problem which has been with us for decades, I find this sudden, strident, venomous interest in it from people who never made a peep during the eight years of the Clinton administration suspicious

It's pretty simple, actually. There is actual legislation on the table and Bush is pushing the Senate version over the House. Things tend to get quite a bit more heated when it goes from rhetoric to legislation. No conspiracy required.

2,977 posted on 05/18/2006 12:32:31 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: dirtboy

LOL! Good try but your less then one percent candidates aren't GOP.


2,978 posted on 05/18/2006 12:32:43 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Vicomte13

My plan is to convince the American people that their state and local officials need to work with Immigration authorities to enforce the law. If that is not available no plan will work.

I would like to see legislation ending the anchor baby syndrome. I would like to see Congress cut off funds to any state or city which will not cooperate with immigration authorities. I would like to see all criminal aliens immediately deported. I would like to see state-by-state civilian volunteers ala Minutement working under state or federal authorities patrol the border.

If building fences will stop the rampant GOP bashing that's fine but I have NO belief it will accomplish anything of significance.

But primarily I would work to remove the hysteria and false information being spread to attack the President. Only after the return of sanity can anything significant be done.


2,979 posted on 05/18/2006 12:33:06 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: cake_crumb

I stick to jelly beans myself...


2,980 posted on 05/18/2006 12:33:51 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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