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A Return to Triangulation (libertarion vs social right)
National Review Online ^ | 10/25/06 | David Boaz & David Kirby

Posted on 10/25/2006 11:10:46 AM PDT by Blackirish

As the Republican base fragments and Christian conservatives consider a “fast” from politics, the polling data point to a mid-term Republican thumping. Less than two weeks from now, Republicans will begin their post-mortem soul searching. And as the corpses of their House and Senate majorities grow cold, so should Karl Rove’s 2006 campaign strategy.

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To: Liberal Classic
I'm not a psychiatrist trained in Freudian methods,...

You are thinking with the appendage at the wrong end of the spinal column...

561 posted on 10/26/2006 3:16:04 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: metmom
Sir Francis Dashwood denies being a "creationist", but he's automatically labeled as one. Why? I wonder?

The only reason some of them are here is to bash the Christians and that is all they have.

562 posted on 10/26/2006 3:19:13 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
On Iraq, on spending, on pandering to a small but vocal minority who think gays and evolution are a bigger threat...

The state initiatives on homosexual monogamy passed with huge majorities... President Bush was re-elected with the largest number of total votes than any other president in U.S. history and Iraq was a major issue... Christians pay the biggest share of taxes in this country that support education...

Who is a small minority, again? Tell me...

563 posted on 10/26/2006 3:36:13 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

I would agree with you on spending... all the more reason to get evolution off of educational welfare...


564 posted on 10/26/2006 3:40:44 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: nopardons
I am not a "conservative" and never said I was...

The only way the Left can win is to destroy the Republican Party from within. They have lost the public argument and cannot win on the issues, they have to have despotic judges do it for them and they have to undermine conservatives in the Republican primary.

I think that a greater number of the people who bash the religious folks here are leftist trolls whose only purpose is to undermine the Republican party. I say this as an unapologetic atheist. I know how the leftist subterfuge works and the one thing they really hate, just like the Islamists do, is Mosaic Law.

Some of them are so myopic and have such a need to do anything contrary to the Christians that what they forget in their own blind, raging ignorance is that Moses wasn't a Christian (this is just one way I spot them).

Cultural Marxism has a goal to feminize males, making them docile and compliant. Marijuana is a chemical warfare agent. Homosexual monogamy is a psychological and biological warfare tactic.

No man may become a law unto himself under the guise of freedom of religion.

Some of these liberal-tarians forget, it is THEY who advocate “separation of church and state.” Let's cram it right back down their throats...

It was landmark U.S. Supreme Court precedent Reynolds v. United States in 1878 that made “separation of church and state” a dubiously legitimate point of case law, but more importantly; it confirmed the Constitutionality in statutory regulation of marriage practices.

Now, it ain't so palatable to them, is it? They are the ones here bashing the religious folks, now they want to claim some mercurial, ever changing definition of freedom of religion? I'm not going to live in their hell...

If I cannot yell “fire” in a crowded theater, I don't think someone should be able to light one with a U.S. flag and call it “free speech.”

Of course, a lot of these traitors to the United States would also whine if we wanted an Amendment to ban homosexual marriage or flag burning, wouldn't they?

There are doctrinaire, myopic cultural Marxists whose only purpose here on FreeRepublic is their polemic need to do anything contrary to the Christians. You will find most of them on the homosexual issue threads, the evolution threads, drug threads, genetic engineering threads or any other issue involving a perversion of, or attack on the Judaic book of Genesis.

Feminazi and Gaystapo are very close to the reality of the situation.

Some of the Bozos out there can't get past that word “God,” so they would just piss the entire country away and join the enemies of America; all because they have this polemic need to bash the Christians and do everything in contravention to them. I say screw them and the filthy practices they want to live by. My children are not going to inherit their squalor if I can help it.

Of course, what a lot of the leftists and misguided, myopic liberal-tarians don't want to admit is that Christianity (and they do hate Christians) is just their politically correct proxy for their war against what is written in the book of Genesis.

They will jump up and down and snivel about the Ten Commandments and Christians; but the reminders that Moses was not a Christian, that Genesis, Exodus and Deuteronomy are Jewish literature really sticks in their craw.

It is no coincidence Islamic pagans hate Israel, Jews, Christians and Western Civilization. The entire basis of Western Civilization is Mosaic Law, something both the Neo-Pagan Left and the pagan Islamic thugs cannot abide and wish to destroy.

The very idea that human beings have individual rights not subject to the whims of an earthly monarch, but subject to the laws of Yahweh, is directly from Moses.

Historically, this is proven over and over again with the successive conflicts between the forces of paganism and the Judaic culture. (This includes the idolatry of cultural Marxist paganism.)

A greater number of "atheists" and "pagans" adopt the same hackneyed tenets of a faux Judaic-Christian ideal (golden calf). They also subscribe to the Judaic fetishism of "sin," but will fight to their death in denial of it. Most of them are so wrapped up in their own polemics that they have become nothing more than pathetic anti-Christians with the same false hypocritical philosophy. They just slap a new label on it hoping nobody will notice - - they replace the idea of "avoiding sin" with "morals."

Morality and all of its associated ideals are rooted entirely in the presupposition some higher power defines what is correct for human behavior. Today, "morals" are a religious pagan philosophy of esoteric hobgoblins. Transfiguration is a pantheon of fantasies as the medium of infinitization. Others get derision for having an unwavering Judaic belief in Yahweh or Yeshua, although their critics and enemies will evangelize insertion of phantasmagoric fetishisms into secular law.

Mosaic Law (of which the Ten Commandments is just a part) is the foundation of Western Civilization. Genesis is the primary focus of the Declaration of Independence, from where our Constitutional rights are derived. The Ten Commandments are the foundation of our judicial system.

"...to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them... that all men are created... Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world... with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence..."

565 posted on 10/26/2006 4:09:44 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Blackirish
No doubt, triangulation is a delicate high-wire balancing act, requiring a high-wattage candidate like Bill Clinton.

Yeah...

Sure...

566 posted on 10/26/2006 4:33:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Blackirish
...Christian conservatives consider a “fast” from politics...

HA Ha ha!!

I'll bet the writer doesn't even KNOW any of these kinds of folks!!!

567 posted on 10/26/2006 4:34:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Hard to disagree with this... 8-<


568 posted on 10/26/2006 4:36:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: RockinRight
If Union thugs and enviroweenies can co-exist in the Democrap Party then the religious right can co-exist with the "small l" libertarians.

"But those pesky CREATIONISTS will DESTROY the Conservative Movement as well as all of the West's achievements in the last 200 years!!!"

--EvoDude

569 posted on 10/26/2006 4:39:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: VadeRetro
Every science thread now is a snake pit, and it's the people who try to answer the freak show who seem to be on thin ice with the management.

Boo Hoo!


(A systematic investigation of nature does not negotiate with crackpots.)

(You'd think E would've weeded 'em all out by now!)

570 posted on 10/26/2006 4:41:48 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Liberal Classic

Yow!

I jump from #50 to #550 and this thread has been fully highjacked to a C vs E foodfight! ;^)

571 posted on 10/26/2006 4:44:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Blackirish
Blackirish, so many times even here on Free Republic, well known posters who call themselves libertarian will follow the lead of the ACLU, liberal judges and the nineteen sixties left when it comes to matters of the public schools.

It is well known and is easily verified if you have the time to research.

My suggestion is to keep your eyes open when public school threads arise.

You will find many professed libertarians who are overly and unusually interested in and preoccupied with making sure control of local schools is dictated from afar by interests who are dominated by liberals.

If I am logged in and notice such a thread, I will ping you and let you see for yourself.

572 posted on 10/26/2006 5:05:40 AM PDT by OriginalIntent (Undo the ACLU revision of the Constitution. If you agree with the ACLU revisions, you are a liberal)
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To: grey_whiskers

You completely missed or ducked my point. No matter. I know your game.


573 posted on 10/26/2006 5:13:09 AM PDT by ml1954 (ID = Case closed....no further inquiry allowed...now move along.)
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To: stands2reason

Been clicking on all the pages. Only zots were some newbs so far. Good thing reason seems to prevail a bit.


574 posted on 10/26/2006 5:31:38 AM PDT by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: wyattearp
I can't speak for Dimensio, or Mom MD for that matter, but I do know that Mom MD just applied the 2nd law of thermodynamics to an open system to support her argument, and that is just plain wrong. It is freshman physics for crying out loud!

I learned of it as a junior in high school.
575 posted on 10/26/2006 5:53:24 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: wyattearp

Name one: The computer you're sitting in front of, the house you live in, the car you drive, the clothes you wear.... Unless you think that it's possible for all thas stuff to assemble itself by the random action of molecules colliding with each other.


576 posted on 10/26/2006 5:53:55 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
I would guess they will find that 'okay' because the will of man was involved there and no 'creator' can be apparent to them.

But life itself to them is nothing at its core but bio-chemical process that somehow bootstrapped and built them selves up as they descended from imagined primordial origins to more complex froms such as worms etc that somehow ended up as some sort of apelike ancestor in Africa that developed a human consciousness.

But bio chemical process have no consciousness, no life of their own

And man did not create anything per se, he designed things, refashioned existing materials (smelt iron out of ore, made and formed steel etc) to get to everything we see that is man-made.
577 posted on 10/26/2006 6:13:33 AM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: wyattearp
"tell grey_whiskers from me that he's welcome to sit in on my second semester undergraduate p. chem next year, since he obviously needs a refresher. Tell him I'll let him audit, because the Chem Engineers would kick his ass down the wrong side of the curve if he tried taking it for credit."

Thanks, but he's completely wrong about that.

As it is, you didn't answer the question. By the first cells, I mean cell 1, 2, 3, and 4 alive on the face of the earth.

You know, the ones in the RNA world.

Did they engage in photosynthesis or not?

Cheers!

578 posted on 10/26/2006 6:14:08 AM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: ml1954
You completely missed or ducked my point. No matter. I know your game.

I didn't duck the point. I objected to your phraseology. The problem is that you *cannot* devise an experiment to tell the difference between that form of YEC and rigorous materialistic explanations of origins.

Some people prefer the former on faith-based grounds, some prefer the latter out of materialism, atheism, Occam's razor, or "style" ("why go out of your way to invoke a deity...?") It's not a game to me: although your lack of respect indicates it *is* just a game to you.

Cheers!

579 posted on 10/26/2006 6:19:03 AM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: wyattearp
"tell grey_whiskers from me that he's welcome to sit in on my second semester undergraduate p. chem next year, since he obviously needs a refresher."

BTW, what on *Earth* does 2nd semester undergrad p-chem have to do with when photosynthesis first appeared?

Unless you are referring to Prigogine and dissipative systems?

Cheers!

580 posted on 10/26/2006 6:21:56 AM PDT by grey_whiskers
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