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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: mkjessup
Of course an old crow like you probably doesn't find a whole lot to laugh about.

I'm laughing at you.

1,301 posted on 04/22/2007 12:04:19 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Dead Corpse

Yep. Not one single Rudy supporter would vote for him if he had a D behind his name. Not a single one.


1,302 posted on 04/22/2007 12:04:53 AM PDT by rintense (I'm 4 Thompson!)
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To: Howlin

See that is all you have Howlin. Attacks. Just like anytime Nancy Pelosi had anythin to say about W in he runup to 06 election.....you sound just like her. Truth hurts huh.


1,303 posted on 04/22/2007 12:04:56 AM PDT by Just sayin (Is is what it is, for if it was anything else, it would be isn't.)
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To: Rex Anderson

I thought spring break was over.


1,304 posted on 04/22/2007 12:05:04 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: M. Thatcher; Jim Robinson

It ought to be clear by now Jim that he is not going to answer questions put to him.


1,305 posted on 04/22/2007 12:05:06 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: presently no screen name

Thanks. I’ve seen too many people driven away from our own church by the holier types, trying to “do them a favor” by pointing out the mote in their brother’s eye while ignoring the log in their own.


1,306 posted on 04/22/2007 12:05:21 AM PDT by Spyder (The "Hate Giuliani Syndrome." Like Bush Delusional Syndrome, a cure is yet to be found.)
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To: Howlin

“Are you too stupid to read a tagline?”

That’s a great question coming from someone insulting anti-Giuliani conservatives on what is clearly marked as a Rudy thread.


1,307 posted on 04/22/2007 12:05:37 AM PDT by NapkinUser (Rudy Giuliani gets his salsa from New York City.)
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To: Howlin

Cripe, get home late and try to jump in and BOOM! Everything changes before I can get to page 2!


1,308 posted on 04/22/2007 12:05:42 AM PDT by rintense (I'm 4 Thompson!)
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To: M. Thatcher
Beneath contempt.

I could just picture your nose going up in the air and giving a little sniff. Glad you showed up because we really needed some more self-righteousness.

1,309 posted on 04/22/2007 12:05:58 AM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: Petronski
Your post was, at best, very wierd

Yeah I know. But that was only my 'basic' wierd, Howlin really isn't worth the intermediate or advanced 'wierd'. But I refuse to let the old bag get under my skin, and that drives her nutz even though she'll deny it.
1,310 posted on 04/22/2007 12:06:09 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: Peach
Still up? You're gonna regret it in the morning...oh, well, never mind, it is morning...

I'm afraid, though, that what you just said didn't really address the difficulties I pointed out. I don't blame Rudy for attempting to triangulate on those three issues - most politicians do - but due to their very nature I think it's hurting him more than helping. He cannot be weak on gun control and convince any conservative that he's strong on national security - the two positions are mutually exclusive. He cannot be weak on illegal immigration either for the very same reason, and he isn't alone in that regard - this is a thing that has hurt Bush deeply with conservatives and accounts in part for his (Bush's) low job-approval polling.

I don't know what to advise. For a big-tent politician these issues are truly best avoided, and with the exception of abortion the MSM have been allowing the Dems to avoid them for the last three elections. Rudy won't be the benificiary of that largesse, at least not if he should win the nomination, and he really does have some considerable baggage to carry with all of them. I wish you the best of luck but I really don't think I can help you.

1,311 posted on 04/22/2007 12:06:16 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Howlin

“Shove it up your butt, punk.”

Nice. All class, as usual.

And isn’t about now the time you start claiming people are attacking YOU?


1,312 posted on 04/22/2007 12:06:31 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: flashbunny
Nice. All class, as usual.

Just taking my cue from you.

1,313 posted on 04/22/2007 12:07:18 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Howlin

I apologize too. We really should patch things up and start anew, what do you say?


1,314 posted on 04/22/2007 12:07:24 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: CharlesWayneCT
That is my question, and your response was non-responsive to that question, and I'd really like to know the answer.

That's a great question, I have asked it myself and never gotten an answer. I suspect you won't either.

1,315 posted on 04/22/2007 12:07:27 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Peach
As well, NYC’s economy is exceeded only by 6 or 7 states

And in what way does being the mayor of a large economy make him strong on the war on terror? His city was hit by terrorist attacks at least 3 times in the last 15 years, once right before he took office, and twice afterwards. One time he refused to acknowledge it was terrorism, and instead used the attack to take people's guns away.

And before the 9/11 attack, he refused to move his terrorism command center out of the buildings most likely to be targetted by the attack.

And 8 years after the buildings came close to being taken down by bombs, He had not ensured that there was a plan in place to evacuate both buildings if either of them were struck by terrorists, a simple act which might have minimized loss of life in the 2nd building, which was hit much later than the first.

But Rudy wasn't any more in tune with terrorism on 9/11 than the rest of us, he didn't recognize the threat until the 2nd plane, like the rest of us.

The MEDIA made him the face of 9/11, not because of anything special he did, but because, as blackirish noted, he happened to be there because he attacked his city, since it was still a ripe target 8 years after their failed attack.

1,316 posted on 04/22/2007 12:07:39 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Just sayin

Excuse me, but have you read the posts to Howlin? Take a look at the last two pages, and you might notice some pretty hard core venom spewed her way.


1,317 posted on 04/22/2007 12:08:12 AM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: Blackirish
We got Bush as the nominee in 2000 because he was the "anointed one." He was selected by the PTB (whoever the hell they are) and proclaimed “frontrunner” and de facto nominee by the media and all pundits before anyone else could even get out of the starting gates. He was ramrodded through over the objections from the grassroots. Kind similar to what’s going on now, but it’s even starting earlier.
1,318 posted on 04/22/2007 12:08:22 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Rex Anderson

Not by me.


1,319 posted on 04/22/2007 12:08:47 AM PDT by Just sayin (Is is what it is, for if it was anything else, it would be isn't.)
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To: mkjessup
But I refuse to let the old bag get under my skin, and that drives her nutz even though she'll deny it.

I never laid eyes on you until about 3 days ago.

Get over yourself.

1,320 posted on 04/22/2007 12:08:57 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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