Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?

vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?

[Man50D]

And I asked you to do a google on “socialist.”

Then you should also tell Jim Robinson he doesn't know the meaning of socialism given the title of this thread.

I will not join a third party and cause a fracture in the Republican Party.

You fail to recognize the Republican party is already fractured because of the increasing socialism. You need to ignore party labels and focus on the fact both parties are embracing the same socialist ideology. They are essentially one party. Forming a Conservative party would restore the two party system.

[Paperdoll]

>Wasn’t even a FReeper in 2000, but supported Alan Keyes & then voted for W.<

Neither was I, but I worked very hard for Pat Buchanan & then voted for W. Alan Keyes wasn’t on the ballot in Washington State. But never again will I compromise my principles to vote for “the lesser of two evils”.

[MamaB]

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I have thought I have been on a very liberal site during these past few weeks.

[metmom]

No. I would hope not.

[Luke21]

“The world is not divided into two monolithic blocks of people labelled “conservative” and “liberal”. It’s a continuum, and Rudy would nominate SC justices further toward the conservative end of the continuum than Hillary would.”

Yeah, like Gerald Ford, the last complete Rino president? Remember his nominee? Stevens..He’s still cursing our lives thirty years after Ford left office.

No Rudy. No way.

[flashbunny]

“In my opinion, everyone is looking at this election backwards. They are all picking their primary candidate based on how they will fare in the general.”

That’s what the dems did in 2004.

Look what that got them.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Cultural Marxism leads ultimately to economic Marxism...

[Nova]

"Like it or not, the candidates preferred by this board — Fred Thompson, Newt Gingrich, Duncan Hunter, et al — are certain losers."

That's not an obvious fact. I think a Thompson vs. Clinton race (for example) could go either way.

[Strategerist]

You need to ignore party labels and focus on the fact both parties are embracing the same socialist ideology.

Both parties are advocating government control of the means of production?

[GSlob]

“My definition of socialism is suicide.” - Not every suicide is a socialist, although some are; and what to do about such socialists as kim, fidel, hillary and the rest? It would be great for the mankind were they to off themselves, but they do not. Thus your definition is erroneous. Even if you expand it into “mass suicide”, it would not be able to stand. Look at all the collectivist places - despite mass murders and general brutality, they survive.

[tsowellfan]

George Allen made the same mistake that Imus made. While unlike Imus, George Allen was not being racist, however he caved too easily to the liberal media and the rest of his campaign became nothing but an “Im sorry” tour.

[nmh]

“Like it or not, the candidates preferred by this board — Fred Thompson, Newt Gingrich, Duncan Hunter, et al — are certain losers.”

BY your deluded wisdom? LOL!!

“So, does perfect become the enemy of as good as we’re likely to get?”

I suppose Rudy and McPain are perfection in your eyes/

Both are PRO homosexual.

Both have NO time for guns.

Both are PRO abortion.

Both are socialists.

Both are EXTREME social liberals.

Hardly candidates I’d even want to shake hands with or be associated with. If you took a moment to be honest, you’d see the difference between them and Demoncrats is so small it’s not worth dickering over.

The only perfect candidate would be Christ so DO brush up on your rationalization arguments. It stinks.

As for me and others, we’ll vote for conservatives and not speed up the decline of the country - to your chagrin.

[Peach]

And up to the post number here, there has not been one single word in this thread about national security, world terror threat.

Good observation. Last year freepers complained about the spending by Congressional Republicans but this year their concern seems to be abortion to the exclusion of everything else.

It's so interesting that Newt Gingrich's Contract With America didn't mention abortion and yet it's now all these so called perfect conservatives can talk about.

[beancounter13]

So are you suggesting, somehow, that Souter is a better justice because he is not quite as liberal as Ginsberg?

When has he ever issued a ruling that countered hers?

[muleskinner]

Someone posted you just banned quidnunc after nine years. Or is someone just spreading socialist, tyrannical, totalitarian rumors?

[dynachrome]

What you said. I used to call myself a broken glass Republican. Frankly, since 1996, when Bob Dole was nominated because it was his turn, (an honest guy, I believe, but no conservative) who had no fire in his belly to run for President, we got 4 more years of klintoon. Heck, even in 2000, GWB was the best the ‘pubs could come up with? Now, the old Rockefeller, country club wing is in charge. God help us and this nation.

[Bigh4u2]

Last few weeks?

Try last few months.

I almost quit this forum because it started getting as ‘liberal’ as some of the ‘unmentionable’ ones.

Jim is the only reason I stay.

[DJ Taylor]

If when November 08 rolls around and my only choices are to vote for Giuliani, vote for Hillary/Obama, or go deer hunting, look for me somewhere in the Rockies.

[Kevmo]

My thoughts exactly. No, wait... isn’t this JimRob’s forum? ;-)

[Paperdoll]

>If the party nominates a condidate that alienates and drives away a significant portion of the base, that’s the fault of the party....<

Exactly! Send your money directly to your candidate. Do NOT send money to the Republican National Committee!