Skip to comments.Crater Could Solve 1908 Tunguska Meteor Mystery
Posted on 06/27/2007 6:16:57 PM PDT by raygun
In late June of 1908, a fireball exploded above the remote Russian forests of Tunguska, Siberia, flattening more than 800 square miles of trees. Researchers think a meteor was responsible for the devastation, but neither its fragments nor any impact craters have been discovered.
Astronomers have been left to guess whether the object was an asteroid or a comet, and figuring out what it was would allow better modeling of potential future calamities.
Italian researchers now think they've found a smoking gun: The 164-foot-deep Lake Cheko, located just 5 miles northwest of the epicenter of destruction.
"When we looked at the bottom of the lake, we measured seismic waves reflecting off of something," said Giuseppe Longo, a physicist at the University of Bologna in Italy and co-author of the study. "Nobody has found this before. We can only explain that and the shape of the lake as a low-velocity impact crater."
Should the team turn up conclusive evidence of an asteroid or comet on a later expedition, when they obtain a deeper core sample beneath the lake, remaining mysteries surrounding the Tunguska event may be solved.
The findings are detailed in this month's online version of the journal Terra Nova.
During a 1999 expedition, Longo's team didn't plan to investigate Lake Cheko as an impact crater, but rather to look for meteoroid dust in its submerged sediments. While sonar-scanning the lake's topography, they were struck by its cone-like features.
"Expeditions in the 1960s concluded the lake was not an impact crater, but their technologies were limited," Longo said. With the advent of better sonar and computer technologies, he explained, the lake took shape.
Going a step further, Longo's team dove to the bottom and took 6-foot core samples, revealing fresh mud-like sediment on top of "chaotic deposits" beneath. Still, Longo explained the samples are inconclusive of a meteorite impact.
"To really find out if this is an impact crater," Long said, "we need a core sample 10 meters (33 feet) into the bottom" in order to investigate a spot where the team detected a "reflecting" anomaly with their seismic instruments. They think this could be where the ground was compacted by an impact or where part of the meteorite itself lies: The object, if found, could be more than 30 feet in diameter and weigh almost 1,700 tons-the weight of about 42 fully-loaded semi-trailers.
Caution for now
From a UFO crash to a wandering black hole, wild (and wildly unsupported) explanations for the Tunguska event have been proposed. Alan Harris, a planetary scientist at the Space Science Institute in Boulder, Colorado, said the proposal by Longo's team isn't one of them.
"I was impressed by their work and I don't think it's something you can wave off," said Harris, who was not involved in the research.
Longo and his team "are among the recognized authorities on Tunguska" in the world, Harris told SPACE.com. "It would be thrilling to dig up chunks of the meteor body, if they can manage to. It would lay the question to rest whether or not Tunguska was a comet or asteroid."
Some researchers, however, are less confident in the team's conclusions.
"We know from the entry physics that the largest and most energetic objects penetrate deepest," said David Morrison, an astronomer with NASA's Ames Research Center. That only a fragment of the main explosion reached the ground and made a relatively small crater, without creating a larger main crater, seems contradictory to Morrison.
Harris agreed that physics could work against Longo's explanation, but did note that similar events-with impact craters-have been documented all over the world.
"In 1947, the Russian Sikhote-Alin meteorite created 100 small craters. Some were 20 meters (66 feet) across," Harris said. A site in Poland also exists, he explained, where a large meteor exploded and created a series of small lakes. "If the fragment was traveling slowly enough, there's actually a good chance (Longo's team) will unearth some meteorite material," Harris said.
Longo's team plans to return to Lake Cheko next summer, close to the 100th anniversary of the Tunguska Event. "This is important work because we can make better conclusions about how cosmic bodies impact the Earth, and what they're made of," Longo said. "And it could help us find ways to protect our planet from future impacts of this kind."
It was an early test of Tesla’s death ray. I hear Ron Paul agrees with me.
It was global warming run amok.
The human race is probably due to be wiped out by a meteorite explosion at some point in the near future. We can stave off the event, however, by ensuring the complete destruction of Western civilization, Western culture, and Western values. But we had better do it now, before it’s too late.
Imagine that! Tesla unknowingly saving the world at the moment he tests his death rayby, thereby blowing up an asteroid at the moment it enters the atmosphere. Horrified at the immense destructive capabilities of his death ray he immediately destroys it and the plans.
Wonder what would’ve been the result if instead of the asteroid being publverized by the Tesla Death Ray, a Chixelube sized crater was made in the middle of Siberia.
“The stupid ass Liberals still believe a U.F.O. crashed in Siberia in 1908. why, why, why are Liberals so goddamn retarded ???!!!”
Posts like these make the rest if us look stupid by association. I smell troll.
That’s some good stuff!
Do you smoke it or eat it? heh
Have you seen any of this stuff?
Haarp is the modern outcome of the deathray research, ya know....
...”but neither its fragments nor any impact craters have been discovered. “
That’s because it was a methane gas explosion.
One week on FR? No wonder you don’t care about making a fool of yourself on the forum. You’ll learn in due course. Your posting history reeks of an illeterate, and possibly, a rearded mind.
I feel sorry for you. Are you one of those “children left behind” that we hear so much about?
I don’t think ones politics incline one towards UFO belief.
I could have sworn they found said dust embedded in trees that survived the blast.
Yeah, the most generally accepted theory is it was a stony meteorite that detonated at an altitude of 5 miles, with larger pieces simply being swallowed by swamp. They did find characteristic dust in tree sap.
Russians seem to still cling to the comet thing. Reality is there isn’t a sharp line between some asteroids and a dead comet.
follow the link!
Of course, if they do find something at the bottom of the lake...
I was half listening to a History Channel piece on Tunguska the other night. Another Soviet theory was an ET nuclear explosion. That was after the post-nuke Hiroshima/Nagasaki photos came out.
I think THC used the term "cosmic object" instead of going with meteor over "dead" comet towards the end of the show.
If that was only true.
Crater could solve the 1908 mystery? Does that mean he has been found? Judge Crater, I mean.
Chuckle - of all the words to misspell when calling someone names, "illeterate" = illiterate and "rearded" = retarded.
Forgot to hit the spell-checker?
“Forgot to hit the spell-checker?”
Actually, yes :) That’s why I reposted that post...LOL
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A possible impact crater for the 1908 Tunguska Event
Terra Nova | 7/01/2007 | Terra Nova
Posted on 06/22/2007 2:46:00 PM EDT by Mike Darancette
Global warming attracts meteorites, which of course is Bush’s fault. (sarcasm)
“Your posting history reeks of an illeterate, and possibly, a rearded mind.”
I bet he was impressed with that!
Sorry, but I think you made Freeper History. Time will tell.
We do get to tease you shamelessly for the rest of the day, you know!
(Obscure Harry Potter reference)
They need to do further investigation. Send money.
HillaryChavez seems to have left the building.
Probably over at the DUmpster regaling them with tales of how he/she/it really put one over on the FR Mod Squad this time...
"The asteroid, known as 2007 WD5, was discovered in late November and is similar in size to an object that hit remote central Siberia in 1908, unleashing energy equivalent to a 15-megaton nuclear bomb and wiping out 60 million trees.
Scientists tracking the asteroid, currently halfway between Earth and Mars, initially put the odds of impact at 1 in 350 but increased the chances this week. Scientists expect the odds to diminish again early next month after getting new observations of the asteroid's orbit, Chesley said."
"If the asteroid does smash into Mars, it will probably hit near the equator close to where the rover Opportunity has been exploring the Martian plains since 2004."
What are you talking ‘bout?
He/she/it posted the nuked comments on this thread.
When? Was that some sort of new startling revelation or something? I appreciate you keeping me appraised, and what not, but...
Slow news day...
Oh, come one.
All the leading scientists know it was some kind of response from nature, to man’s doings.