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Crater Could Solve 1908 Tunguska Meteor Mystery
Space.com ^ | 06:27 26 June 2007 ET | By Dave Mosher - Staff Writer

Posted on 06/27/2007 6:16:57 PM PDT by raygun

In late June of 1908, a fireball exploded above the remote Russian forests of Tunguska, Siberia, flattening more than 800 square miles of trees. Researchers think a meteor was responsible for the devastation, but neither its fragments nor any impact craters have been discovered.

Astronomers have been left to guess whether the object was an asteroid or a comet, and figuring out what it was would allow better modeling of potential future calamities.

Italian researchers now think they've found a smoking gun: The 164-foot-deep Lake Cheko, located just 5 miles northwest of the epicenter of destruction.

"When we looked at the bottom of the lake, we measured seismic waves reflecting off of something," said Giuseppe Longo, a physicist at the University of Bologna in Italy and co-author of the study. "Nobody has found this before. We can only explain that and the shape of the lake as a low-velocity impact crater."

Should the team turn up conclusive evidence of an asteroid or comet on a later expedition, when they obtain a deeper core sample beneath the lake, remaining mysteries surrounding the Tunguska event may be solved.

The findings are detailed in this month's online version of the journal Terra Nova.

Submerged evidence

During a 1999 expedition, Longo's team didn't plan to investigate Lake Cheko as an impact crater, but rather to look for meteoroid dust in its submerged sediments. While sonar-scanning the lake's topography, they were struck by its cone-like features.

"Expeditions in the 1960s concluded the lake was not an impact crater, but their technologies were limited," Longo said. With the advent of better sonar and computer technologies, he explained, the lake took shape.

Going a step further, Longo's team dove to the bottom and took 6-foot core samples, revealing fresh mud-like sediment on top of "chaotic deposits" beneath. Still, Longo explained the samples are inconclusive of a meteorite impact.

"To really find out if this is an impact crater," Long said, "we need a core sample 10 meters (33 feet) into the bottom" in order to investigate a spot where the team detected a "reflecting" anomaly with their seismic instruments. They think this could be where the ground was compacted by an impact or where part of the meteorite itself lies: The object, if found, could be more than 30 feet in diameter and weigh almost 1,700 tons-the weight of about 42 fully-loaded semi-trailers.

Caution for now

From a UFO crash to a wandering black hole, wild (and wildly unsupported) explanations for the Tunguska event have been proposed. Alan Harris, a planetary scientist at the Space Science Institute in Boulder, Colorado, said the proposal by Longo's team isn't one of them.

"I was impressed by their work and I don't think it's something you can wave off," said Harris, who was not involved in the research.

Longo and his team "are among the recognized authorities on Tunguska" in the world, Harris told SPACE.com. "It would be thrilling to dig up chunks of the meteor body, if they can manage to. It would lay the question to rest whether or not Tunguska was a comet or asteroid."

Some researchers, however, are less confident in the team's conclusions.

"We know from the entry physics that the largest and most energetic objects penetrate deepest," said David Morrison, an astronomer with NASA's Ames Research Center. That only a fragment of the main explosion reached the ground and made a relatively small crater, without creating a larger main crater, seems contradictory to Morrison.

Harris agreed that physics could work against Longo's explanation, but did note that similar events-with impact craters-have been documented all over the world.

"In 1947, the Russian Sikhote-Alin meteorite created 100 small craters. Some were 20 meters (66 feet) across," Harris said. A site in Poland also exists, he explained, where a large meteor exploded and created a series of small lakes. "If the fragment was traveling slowly enough, there's actually a good chance (Longo's team) will unearth some meteorite material," Harris said.

Longo's team plans to return to Lake Cheko next summer, close to the 100th anniversary of the Tunguska Event. "This is important work because we can make better conclusions about how cosmic bodies impact the Earth, and what they're made of," Longo said. "And it could help us find ways to protect our planet from future impacts of this kind."


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; craters; deepimpact; geology; godsgravesglyphs; impactcraters; lakecheko; russia; siberia; tunguska
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1 posted on 06/27/2007 6:16:58 PM PDT by raygun
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To: raygun

BUMP!


2 posted on 06/27/2007 6:24:13 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: raygun

ftp://members.aol.com/dgresh2/ghostbusters/ok.wav

;-)


3 posted on 06/27/2007 6:25:34 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: raygun

Interesting.


4 posted on 06/27/2007 6:26:37 PM PDT by GW and Twins Pawpaw (Sheepdog for Five [My grandkids are way more important than any lefty's feelings!])
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To: raygun

It was an early test of Tesla’s death ray. I hear Ron Paul agrees with me.


5 posted on 06/27/2007 6:27:07 PM PDT by Uriah_lost ("build bridges where you can - but draw lines where you must." -Fred D Thompson)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


6 posted on 06/27/2007 6:28:20 PM PDT by indcons (Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.)
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To: raygun

It was global warming run amok.


7 posted on 06/27/2007 6:29:46 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: raygun

The human race is probably due to be wiped out by a meteorite explosion at some point in the near future. We can stave off the event, however, by ensuring the complete destruction of Western civilization, Western culture, and Western values. But we had better do it now, before it’s too late.


8 posted on 06/27/2007 6:34:34 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Uriah_lost

Imagine that! Tesla unknowingly saving the world at the moment he tests his death rayby, thereby blowing up an asteroid at the moment it enters the atmosphere. Horrified at the immense destructive capabilities of his death ray he immediately destroys it and the plans.

Wonder what would’ve been the result if instead of the asteroid being publverized by the Tesla Death Ray, a Chixelube sized crater was made in the middle of Siberia.

Nah.


10 posted on 06/27/2007 6:36:05 PM PDT by raygun (I'm not fixin' the house cause I'm gonna be movin . Gotta move out cause the house is all run down.)
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To: HillaryChavez

“The stupid ass Liberals still believe a U.F.O. crashed in Siberia in 1908. why, why, why are Liberals so goddamn retarded ???!!!”

Posts like these make the rest if us look stupid by association. I smell troll.


11 posted on 06/27/2007 6:40:46 PM PDT by indcons (Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.)
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To: raygun
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12 posted on 06/27/2007 6:41:01 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: raygun

That’s some good stuff!
Do you smoke it or eat it? heh

Have you seen any of this stuff?
http://www.earthpulse.com/src/category.asp?catid=1

Haarp is the modern outcome of the deathray research, ya know....


13 posted on 06/27/2007 6:44:43 PM PDT by Uriah_lost ("build bridges where you can - but draw lines where you must." -Fred D Thompson)
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To: raygun

...”but neither its fragments nor any impact craters have been discovered. “

That’s because it was a methane gas explosion.


15 posted on 06/27/2007 6:49:31 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: HillaryChavez

One week on FR? No wonder you don’t care about making a fool of yourself on the forum. You’ll learn in due course. Your posting history reeks of an illeterate, and possibly, a rearded mind.

I feel sorry for you. Are you one of those “children left behind” that we hear so much about?


16 posted on 06/27/2007 6:54:06 PM PDT by indcons (Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.)
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To: indcons

illeterate=illiterate


17 posted on 06/27/2007 6:54:38 PM PDT by indcons (Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.)
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To: HillaryChavez

I don’t think ones politics incline one towards UFO belief.


18 posted on 06/27/2007 6:54:58 PM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: HillaryChavez
Corrected post - "One week on FR? No wonder you don’t care about making a fool of yourself on the forum. You’ll learn in due course. Your posting history reeks of an illiterate, and possibly, a retarded mind. I feel sorry for you. Are you one of those “children left behind” that we hear so much about?"
19 posted on 06/27/2007 6:55:41 PM PDT by indcons (Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.)
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To: raygun
but rather to look for meteoroid dust

I could have sworn they found said dust embedded in trees that survived the blast.

20 posted on 06/27/2007 6:58:22 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke

Yeah, the most generally accepted theory is it was a stony meteorite that detonated at an altitude of 5 miles, with larger pieces simply being swallowed by swamp. They did find characteristic dust in tree sap.

Russians seem to still cling to the comet thing. Reality is there isn’t a sharp line between some asteroids and a dead comet.


22 posted on 06/27/2007 7:11:01 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: raygun
Every few seconds a "snowball" the size of a small house breaks up as it approaches Earth and deposits a large cloud of water vapor in Earth's upper atmosphere.

follow the link!

23 posted on 06/27/2007 7:26:51 PM PDT by Young Werther ( and Julius Ceasar said, "quae cum ita sunt." (or since these things are so!))
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To: Strategerist
Well, they are still analyzing the "Star Dust" samples.

Of course, if they do find something at the bottom of the lake...

I was half listening to a History Channel piece on Tunguska the other night. Another Soviet theory was an ET nuclear explosion. That was after the post-nuke Hiroshima/Nagasaki photos came out.

I think THC used the term "cosmic object" instead of going with meteor over "dead" comet towards the end of the show.

24 posted on 06/27/2007 7:30:15 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: HillaryChavez

If that was only true.


25 posted on 06/27/2007 7:30:54 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: raygun

Crater could solve the 1908 mystery? Does that mean he has been found? Judge Crater, I mean.


26 posted on 06/27/2007 8:31:26 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: indcons
illeterate, and possibly, a rearded mind.

Chuckle - of all the words to misspell when calling someone names, "illeterate" = illiterate and "rearded" = retarded.

Forgot to hit the spell-checker?

LOL

27 posted on 06/27/2007 8:48:56 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ( "...but you can't fool all of the people all the time." LINCOLN)
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To: maine-iac7

“Forgot to hit the spell-checker?”

Actually, yes :) That’s why I reposted that post...LOL


28 posted on 06/27/2007 8:51:11 PM PDT by indcons (Please keep calling your senators and ask them to vote against cloture. This bill is almost dead.)
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To: Uriah_lost
Tesla's Wireless Power Transmitter and the Tunguska Explosion of 1908
29 posted on 06/27/2007 9:47:00 PM PDT by raygun (I'm not fixin' the house cause I'm gonna be movin . Gotta move out cause the house is all run down.)
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To: Young Werther
Well, that sheds some light on them pesky megacryometeors that keep falling out of the sky all the stinkin' time.


30 posted on 06/27/2007 9:47:51 PM PDT by raygun (I'm not fixin' the house cause I'm gonna be movin . Gotta move out cause the house is all run down.)
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Just adding this to the GGG catalog, not sending a general distribution. Already had an article about this posted.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. Thanks.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on or off the
"Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list or GGG weekly digest
-- Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
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31 posted on 06/27/2007 9:52:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 27, 2007.)
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To: Verginius Rufus
Nah, Crater didn't solve that 1908 mystery, but the 1930 Crater mystery may be solved (its just the pesky little detail of finding the DNA evidence in some unmarked pauper's grave that's holding everything up).
32 posted on 06/27/2007 10:08:07 PM PDT by raygun (I'm not fixin' the house cause I'm gonna be movin . Gotta move out cause the house is all run down.)
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To: raygun

alas...

A possible impact crater for the 1908 Tunguska Event
Terra Nova | 7/01/2007 | Terra Nova
Posted on 06/22/2007 2:46:00 PM EDT by Mike Darancette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1854726/posts


33 posted on 06/27/2007 10:44:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 27, 2007.)
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To: indcons
Thanks indcons.
 
Catastrophism
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34 posted on 06/27/2007 10:45:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 27, 2007.)
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To: raygun

Global warming attracts meteorites, which of course is Bush’s fault. (sarcasm)


35 posted on 06/28/2007 2:49:22 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: indcons

“Your posting history reeks of an illeterate, and possibly, a rearded mind.”

I bet he was impressed with that!

<{:^)


36 posted on 12/21/2007 3:59:40 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: indcons

Sorry, but I think you made Freeper History. Time will tell.

We do get to tease you shamelessly for the rest of the day, you know!


37 posted on 12/21/2007 4:01:48 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: UCANSEE2; indcons
Wow, that was a hugh and series spellcheck breakdown. :-))
38 posted on 12/21/2007 4:08:14 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: raygun

bump


39 posted on 12/21/2007 4:11:54 PM PST by VOA
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To: colorado tanker; UCANSEE2; indcons
Yeah. A bad spell can cause you to end up with a water buffalo on your chest...

(Obscure Harry Potter reference)

40 posted on 12/21/2007 4:15:46 PM PST by null and void (I've always liked Ron Paul, he is not a like a serial rapist. - rovenstinez)
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To: raygun

They need to do further investigation. Send money.


41 posted on 12/21/2007 4:17:33 PM PST by RightWhale (Dean Koonz is good, but my favorite authors are Dun and Bradstreet)
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To: no one in particular

HillaryChavez seems to have left the building.

Probably over at the DUmpster regaling them with tales of how he/she/it really put one over on the FR Mod Squad this time...


42 posted on 12/21/2007 4:19:00 PM PST by null and void (I've always liked Ron Paul, he is not a like a serial rapist. - rovenstinez)
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To: VOA
Asteroid may hit Mars in next month

[snip]

"The asteroid, known as 2007 WD5, was discovered in late November and is similar in size to an object that hit remote central Siberia in 1908, unleashing energy equivalent to a 15-megaton nuclear bomb and wiping out 60 million trees.

Scientists tracking the asteroid, currently halfway between Earth and Mars, initially put the odds of impact at 1 in 350 but increased the chances this week. Scientists expect the odds to diminish again early next month after getting new observations of the asteroid's orbit, Chesley said."

[snip]

"If the asteroid does smash into Mars, it will probably hit near the equator close to where the rover Opportunity has been exploring the Martian plains since 2004."

43 posted on 12/21/2007 6:36:55 PM PST by raygun ("It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone to believe anything upon insufficient evidence")
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To: null and void

What are you talking ‘bout?


44 posted on 12/22/2007 5:34:59 PM PST by raygun ("It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone to believe anything upon insufficient evidence")
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To: raygun

He/she/it posted the nuked comments on this thread.


45 posted on 12/22/2007 5:43:50 PM PST by null and void (I've always liked Ron Paul, he is not a like a serial rapist. - rovenstinez)
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To: null and void

When? Was that some sort of new startling revelation or something? I appreciate you keeping me appraised, and what not, but...

Dude!


46 posted on 12/22/2007 6:46:31 PM PST by raygun ("It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone to believe anything upon insufficient evidence")
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To: raygun

Slow news day...


47 posted on 12/22/2007 6:49:49 PM PST by null and void (I've always liked Ron Paul, he is not a like a serial rapist. - rovenstinez)
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To: raygun

Oh, come one.

All the leading scientists know it was some kind of response from nature, to man’s doings.


48 posted on 12/22/2007 6:51:45 PM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: raygun
/s
49 posted on 12/22/2007 6:52:19 PM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: unspun

btt


50 posted on 12/22/2007 6:58:29 PM PST by Ciexyz
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