Posted on 10/20/2007 2:08:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
"I speak for at least half the people here, including the Founder Jim Robinson, who has stated he will not vote for Giuliani under any circumstance."
Agree.
Don't Cut and Run, vote pro-life every time. It's the way you always win.
‘We cannot diminish the value of one category of human life — the unborn — without diminishing the value of all human life.’ —Ronald Reagan
Again, with unprincipled RINOs we would probably still have slavery.
“Than the Republicans better not pick Guiliani for the nominee then. I am sick and tired of the tired excuse of “if you don’t vote for Guiliani than you are voting for Hillary” HOGWASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And besides I don’t care because the Republicans have lost it not me!”
That rant says it all. You/we do our job in the primaries then this is moot. Suppose we get an acceptible candidate but the other side of the Republican party does as you do and picks up their marbles and heads home in a huff. That’s never been an answer in any aspect of our lives. If you choose to wait to make a difference until you convince a strong majority of Americans to see this as you do it may take some time, possibly a lifetime. Whether you like it or not it is going to take voters who don’t necessarily see eye to eye with you to solve this in the near term. I realize reality conflicts with your absolutes, all I’m asking is to consider the long term in the event it doesn’t work out in the primaries. The best quote is “I don’t care.” I don’t believe that.
So "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. " from the Declaration of Independence doesn't apply to the unborn? Who says?
or even the 5th Amendment of the Bill of Rights in the US Constitution?
"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
Slavery was ended in a bloodbath, not at the ballot box.
Look, your view of this issue and mine are not that far apart.
But your faith in electing politicians as a means to the end of stopping abortion is misplaced, in my view, and likely to do more harm than good.
Elections are not going to end abortion. Not ever.
"Our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other."
- John Adams, etter to the Officers of the First Brigade of the Third Division of the Militia of Massachusetts, October, 11, 1798.
That paled in comparison to the bloodbath of abortion.
But your faith in electing politicians as a means to the end of stopping abortion is misplaced, in my view, and likely to do more harm than good.
I am curious, what do you propose the pro-life movement do? Do you think we should just accept that 1.3 MILLION babies a year are killed?
I can’t stand by and leave this thread at 666, so I’m posting again.
I think its a completely stupid absurd analogy. As bad as abortion is, no matter how you slice it the most pro-choice politician is not Hitler.
Dumb dumb dumb.
You can argue that elections ALONE will not win the battle against abortion, but they are one of the important things that has to be done.
The majority of the American people oppose abortions in most cases. Support for abortion as it is currently practiced is less than a third.
That majority is counteracted by the press, which is 95% pro-abort, by the entertainment industry, by academia, and by activist judges. That’s one reason why elections are important, because judges are mostly appointed by politicians. We are where we are because the pro-aborts worked harder at shaping SCOTUS than we did.
Yes, we need to change the culture, and the press, and the educational institutions. But we also need to elect pro-lifers to office as an important part of what needs to be done.
The conservative Taliban are now threatening to strap on figurative suicide bombs and take down the party they can't sway.
Unbelieveble.
Has Rudy, Mitt, or any other flip floppin' RINOs made up their mind? Or do they lick their finger and stick it up in the poltical air to see which way the political wind is blowing?
We need a candidate who has always been strong Pro-Life. This issue is one of the reasons why I call myself a Republican. Duncan Hunter has a strong record for Pro-Life. Plus, other strong records that I think you will enjoy:
A+ Career Rating, Americans for Better Immigration
A+ National Rifle Association
100% Eagle Forum
100% National Right to Life
92% Lifetime rating, American Conservative Union
100% Concerned Women for America
100% Christian Coalition
100% Campaign for Working Families
I think you're missing something here. My post -- the one that caused your imitial response -- was directed at a poster much earlier in this thread. This poster had told a man whose wife had aborted a child in order to be treated for the malignant melanoma that eventually killed her that God demanded more of him. So, basically, I was responding to that "small minority" whom you think does not significantly impact the debate. Perhaps they don't -- we'll agree to disagree -- but they are actually pushing me away from the pro-life movement with their "all or nothing" approach.
Thanks for posting this thread. I couldn’t agree more - we have to stand for life or we stand for nothing at all.
Hey, I'd like to see Mike Huckabee be our next president, but I am putting the blame on the proper people: the Republicans who will stay home and ensure a Democrat controlled House, Senate, and Presidency, which will ultimately mean a Democrat controlled SCOTUS, which will ultimately bring about the downfall of the US. We can survive a pro-choice president -- as others have noted on this thread, political posturing even on the pro-life side has brought us not one iota closer to limiting the number of abortions in this country -- but I'm not sure we can survive what the next Democrat administration may bring.
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The simple fact that Jim allows you to post your liberal garbage here after some of the things you have said to him is clear evidence of his maturity and graciousness:
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| Posted by Hildy to Jim Robinson On News/Activism 04/26/2007 8:04:58 PM EDT · 11,382 of 18,393 You will “KEEP” me around as an example - that’s rich. FR has become one big circle jerk. Not with a bang, but with a whimper. I mourn the great site this once was. Goodbye Jim. It was a great decade and it’s been an interesting ride. I wish you and your family nothing but happiness. Life is too short for this kind of nonsense. Please close my account. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11,354 | View Replies |
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Two things:
One: Focus on getting the illegitimate and unconstitutional power grab of Roe v. Wade reversed. The power claimed by the Court does not exist, and the result is that the power of the Court is now unlimited. Many, many more people want abortion returned to the states than want it banned.
Two: Work on changing hearts and minds. People are not going to rally to your side through being insulted and reviled. The reason abortion has not been changed even a little bit by electoral activism is that the people who keep Members of Congress in office don't want it banned, and they are convinced (rightly) that if they put you in power, that's what you will do.
Shocking!
We made it almost to post #700 before one of the Rooty Rooter FRiberals compared conservatives to the Taliban.
Since the site owner is one of the Taliban you are talking about, I'd be a little more circumspect.
You simply do not get it finnman. If Rudy or Hillary get in, by the end of their first term we will have killed 50 MILLION children since Roe V Wade by abortion. To give you some perspective, take the entire population of N.Y., L.A., Chicago, Houston, Phoenix, Philadelphia, San Antonio, San Diego, Dallas, Detroit and Cincinnati- and destroy them all. Now, you have an idea of how many humans in the womb have been murdered in the name of a “woman’s right to choose.” Take the number of death certificates filed as a result of 911 and multiply it by 18182 and you will have the scale of what it is we have done.
No, the most pro-coice politician in America is NOT Hitler. In sheer terms of scale, they are worse. Not to diminish the Holocaust one iota. However, anyone who claims to be pro-life and yet can support someone who does not care that they are murdering an innocent child needs to re-evalute the validity of that claim.
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