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"There has been some debate over how 'imminent' a threat Iraq poses. I do believe Iraq poses an imminent threat. I also believe after September 11, that question is increasingly outdated. . . . To insist on further evidence could put some of our fellow Americans at risk. Can we afford to take that chance? I do not think we can." - Senator John D. Rockefeller, October 2002

The WaPo editorial staff allows the facts to get in the way of a "good story."

1 posted on 06/09/2008 1:47:11 AM PDT by edpc
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To: edpc

I’m not sure about them allowing facts to get in the way of a good story—I found this a shockingly fair piece for the WaPo.


2 posted on 06/09/2008 1:51:06 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Republican "Suicide Voters" need to repeat: SCOTUS...SCOTUS...SCOTUS...)
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To: edpc

Regardless of your political standing, the disrespect that this president has suffered has been monsterous. I won’t argue his decisions, I won’t support some of his decisions, but even with Clinton the Intern Stuffer, I never saw this kind of hateful disrespect. It’s old, it’s stupid, it’s destructive to our country’s reputation, and I’m frankly sick to death of the “it’s Bush’s fault” from global warming to 9/11 where I’ve seen pictures of him actually setting the explosive to take down the trade towers. My only wish is if a dim gets into the White House he/she/it is treated exactly the same.


3 posted on 06/09/2008 1:54:01 AM PDT by Hi Heels (Better a rhino than a jackass....sigh.....)
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To: edpc; Clintonfatigued; darkangel82; Kuksool; NewRomeTacitus; wardaddy; Clemenza; JohnnyZ; Impy; ...
"Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), chairman of the Select Committee on Intelligence"

What, no Patty Murray in charge here ? I mean these are the giants of the Senate, intellectually-speaking. Put these two together and you almost get a double-digit IQ...almost.

5 posted on 06/09/2008 1:59:27 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: edpc

If Bush were dishonest, the weapons of mass destruction would have been “found” years ago. It would have been child’s play for the Israelis to have planted them in Iraq for our soldiers to “find”


9 posted on 06/09/2008 2:11:44 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: edpc
The Rockefeller report will not cause a spike in "Bush Lied" mug sales, and the Bond dissent will not lead anyone to scrape the "Bush Lied" bumper sticker off his or her car.

Maybe Master Whore McClellan offered Senator Rockhead a kickback from book sales in exchange for this non-report.

But the phony "Bush lied" story line distracts from the biggest prewar failure: the fact that so much of the intelligence upon which Bush and Rockefeller and everyone else relied turned out to be tragically, catastrophically wrong.

Uh...weren't our allies given the exact same information? Perhaps when we fell to our knees before the UN and stayed there for months begging for their support, we gave Sodomy Hussein all the time he needed to dispose of the WMDs or ship them to his good friends in Syria? Not an original theory; I've heard it suggested many times. And it makes good sense (a foreign concept to the likes of Senator Rockhead). To my knowledge, though, it's never been investigated. Guess we're too busy investigating the possible "mistreatment" of terrorist prisoners who are hell-bent on destroying this country.

12 posted on 06/09/2008 2:25:53 AM PDT by Tabi Katz
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To: edpc
In my opinion the “Bush lied and people died” crowd are despicable. Are fundamentally dishonest and of low character. I want nothing to do with them.
14 posted on 06/09/2008 2:46:13 AM PDT by DB
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To: edpc; All
Pre-war quotes from "lying" House and Senate democrats...

"In 1998, the United States also changed its underlying policy toward Iraq from containment to regime change and began to examine options to effect such a change, including support for Iraqi opposition leaders within the country and abroad.

In the 4 years since the inspectors, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al-Qaida members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001."

"It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein wiill continue to increase his capability to wage biological and chemical warfare and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East which, as we know all too well, affects American security."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
Congressional Record – Sen. Hillary Clinton

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2002_record&page=S10288&position=all

John Kerry: “I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq – Saddam Hussein is a renegade and outlaw who turned his back on the tough conditions of his surrender put in place by the United Nations in 1991.” (July 2002)

John Kerry: “I believe the record of Saddam Hussein’s ruthless, reckless breach of international values and standards of behavior is cause enough for the world community to hold him accountable by use of force if necessary.”

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
U.S. Senate - Ted Kennedy

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
Transcript of Gore’s speech, printed in USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-09-23-gore-text_x.htm

"When I vote to give the President of the United States the authority to use force, if necessary, to disarm Saddam Hussein, it is because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a threat, and a grave threat, to our security and that of our allies in the Persian Gulf region. I will vote yes because I believe it is the best way to hold Saddam Hussein accountable." -
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9,2002
Congressional Record – Sen. John F. Kerry

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2002_record&page=S10174&position=all

John Kerry on the floor of the Senate
October 2002:

"With respect to Saddam Hussein and the threat he presents, we must ask ourselves a simple question:

Why?

Why is Saddam Hussein pursuing weapons that most nations have agreed to limit or give up?

Why is Saddam Hussein guilty of breaking his own cease-fire agreement with the international community?

Why is Saddam Hussein attempting to develop nuclear weapons when most nations don't even try, and responsible nations that have them attempt to limit their potential for disaster?

Why did Saddam Hussein threaten and provoke?

Why does he develop missiles that exceed allowable limits?

Why did Saddam Hussein lie and deceive the inspection teams previously?

Why did Saddam Hussein not account for all of the weapons of mass destruction which UNSCOM identified?

Why is he seeking to develop unmanned airborne vehicles for delivery of biological agents?

Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), October 9, 2002
Congressional Record – Sen. John F. Kerry

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2002_record&page=S10171&position=all

“The Joint Chiefs should provide Congress with casualty estimates for a war in Iraq as they have done in advance of every past conflict. These estimates should consider Saddam's possible use of chemical or biological weapons against our troops.

Unlike the gulf war, many experts believe Saddam would resort to chemical and biological weapons against our troops in a desperate -attempt to save his regime if he believes he and his regime are ultimately threatened.”
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) Oct. 8, 2002
Congressional Record - Sen. Ted Kennedy

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?position=all&page=S10090&dbname=2002_record

John Kerry: “I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq – Saddam Hussein is a renegade and outlaw who turned his back on the tough conditions of his surrender put in place by the United Nations in 1991.” (July 2002)

John Kerry: “I believe the record of Saddam Hussein’s ruthless, reckless breach of international values and standards of behavior is cause enough for the world community to hold him accountable by use of force if necessary.”

John Kerry: “I would disagree with John McCain that it's the actual weapons of mass destruction he may use against us, it's what he may do in another invasion of Kuwait or in a miscalculation about the Kurds or a miscalculation about Iran or particularly Israel. Those are the things that--that I think present the greatest danger. He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It's the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat." (October 2002)

John Kerry: “If You Don’t Believe . . . Saddam Hussein is a threat with nuclear weapons, then you shouldn’t vote for me.” (January 2003)

John Kerry: Saddam Hussein is a brutal dictator who must be disarmed. (March 2003)

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal."..."Iraq has continued to seek nuclear weapons and develop its arsenal in defiance of the collective will of the international community, as expressed through the United Nations Security Council. It is violating the terms of the 1991 cease-fire that ended the Gulf war and as many as 16 Security Council resolutions, including 11 resolutions concerning Iraq’s efforts to develop weapons of mass destruction." –
Sen. John Edwards, October 10, 2002
Congressional Record – Sen. John Edwards

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2002_record&page=S10325&position=all

"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." –
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
http://usinfo.org/wf-archive/2001/011207/epf510.htm

"We should be hell bent on getting those weapons of mass destruction, hell bent on having a credible approach to them, but we should try to do it in a way which keeps the world together and that achieves our goal which is removing the... defanging Saddam.." -
Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Dec. 9, 2002
Online with Jim Lehrer – Public Broadcasting Service

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec02/iraq_12-10.html

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
Transcript of Gore’s speech, printed in USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-09-23-gore-text_x.htm

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
Transcript of Gore’s speech, printed in USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-09-23-gore-text_x.htm

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
U.S. Senate - Ted Kennedy

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." -
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
Congressional Record – Robert Byrd

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2002_record&page=S9874&position=all

"When I vote to give the President of the United States the authority to use force, if necessary, to disarm Saddam Hussein, it is because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a threat, and a grave threat, to our security and that of our allies in the Persian Gulf region. I will vote yes because I believe it is the best way to hold Saddam Hussein accountable." -
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9,2002
Congressional Record – Sen. John F. Kerry

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2002_record&page=S10174&position=all

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years .. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."-
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
Congressional Record –Sen. Jay Rockefeller

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" –
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
Congressional Record – Rep. Henry Waxman

MY SOURCE FOR ALL OF THESE QUOTES:
http://www.americandaily.com/article/4694

18 posted on 06/09/2008 3:12:11 AM PDT by ETL
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Party of Defeat: How Democrats and Radicals Undermined America's War on Terror Before and After 9-11
By David Horowitz and Ben Johnson
FrontPageMagazine.com | Friday, April 11, 2008

The following [link] is the introduction from the new book Party of Defeat by David Horowitz and Ben Johnson. The introduction lays out the book's thesis: that the opposition to the war in Iraq has crossed a troubling boundary. For the first time, a large number of national leaders have not merely opposed a war; that would be their inalienable right under the U.S. Constitution. Instead, they have actively sabotaged an ongoing war they voted to authorize and which our troops are currently winning. Party of Defeat is available from the FrontPage Magazine Bookstore for $15, less than Amazon.com. -- The Editors.

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=28679004-6C63-4119-97F6-96A2C5F64E84

___________________________________________________________

"David Horowitz talked about his book Party of Defeat: How Democrats and Radicals Undermined America's War on Terror Before and After 9-11, published by Spence. In his book he criticizes members of the Democratic Party that, he says, are undermining the U.S.'s efforts in Iraq. This event was held at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C."

Watch now on c-span video! (FREE)

Party of Defeat: How Democrats and Radicals Undermined America's War on Terror Before and After 9-11 (on streaming video - length: apprx 90min)
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=205154-1&highlight

19 posted on 06/09/2008 3:17:49 AM PDT by ETL
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To: edpc

bump


20 posted on 06/09/2008 3:18:03 AM PDT by Skooz (Any nation that would elect Hillary Clinton as its president has forfeited its right to exist.)
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To: edpc
much of the intelligence upon which Bush and Rockefeller and everyone else relied turned out to be tragically, catastrophically wrong.

WaPo staff cuts must have left a reporting gap on new intelligence gleaned from Saddam's pre-war documents. Or else nobody's looked at Weekly Standard or NRO in a while.
22 posted on 06/09/2008 3:41:22 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: edpc
If there was a scale that measured “Bush Lied, People Died,” with Congress on one end and the President on the other, the indicator needle would certainly we way over on the Congress side of instrument.

Congress butchered our people in Vietnam and have done their darnest to do so in Iraq and Afghanistan, IMHO

25 posted on 06/09/2008 7:13:34 AM PDT by elpadre (nation)
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To: edpc
Well informed and well reason criticism should be the basis of any attacks on those in high office. Of course, everybody is not perfect and most of us will sometimes deviate from this. Frustration causes an amount of rash criticism.

I believe that scurrilous attacks on the President, take on a life of their own. The question as to what percentage of a mob mentality then exists is anyone's guess. Sufficient to say that, if the press had been as biased for President Bush, as against, there must be a different story. I would hazard he would be at 50/50 at least. This in popular opinion.

Yet, even if there was, it still would not differ from the actual performance of the office.

Time will be the judge.

26 posted on 06/09/2008 8:34:19 AM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: edpc

What's with the aversion to checking for the the "editorial" sidebar? Was there a message that I missed or overlooked?
28 posted on 06/09/2008 1:34:58 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: edpc

btt


31 posted on 06/09/2008 2:45:49 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: edpc; wastedyears; Just A Nobody; o_zarkman44; ExTexasRedhead; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; ...
Related thread:

The Senate's Intelligence

New York Sun ^ | June 9, 2008 | The Editors

33 posted on 06/09/2008 8:01:04 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: edpc

any link, preferably video, to rockerfeller saying this???

TIA....


34 posted on 06/09/2008 8:11:32 PM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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The Senate Intel Report: So Much For ‘Bush Lied’
New York Post | 07/10/04 | John Podhoretz
Posted on 07/10/2004 2:21:28 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1168711/posts

If the Bush Admin. Lied About WMD, So Did These People
Right Wing News | 6/11/03 | John Hawkins
Posted on 06/11/2003 2:03:28 PM PDT by Political Numbers Guy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/927208/posts

If The Bush Administration Lied About WMD, So Did These People (Updated)
Right Wing News | June 19, 2003 | John Hawkins
Posted on 06/19/2003 6:11:23 AM PDT by conservativecorner
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/931783/posts

If The Bush Administration Lied About WMD, So Did These People — Version 3.0
right wing news dot com | Hawkins
Posted on 06/09/2005 10:53:22 PM PDT by doug from upland
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1420101/posts

Did They Really Say That?
(Democratic lies about President Bush going to war unnecessarily)
Posted on 07/15/2004 7:22:08 PM PDT by Happy2BMe
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1172331/posts

Terry Larkin: If Bush ‘lied,’ then he’s in very good company (letter to the Editor)
star tribune | 6/11/2005 | Terry Larkin
Posted on 06/10/2005 6:21:00 PM PDT by bitt
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1420690/posts

Response To An Angry Bush-Basher
Jewish Press | 6/30/2004 | STUART W. MIRSKY
Posted on 06/30/2004 12:20:01 PM PDT by SJackson
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1163205/posts


36 posted on 06/09/2008 10:06:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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