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N.Y. Catholics: Dems Trying to Bankrupt Church
NewsMax.com ^ | February 28, 2009 | Richard Lawrence Poe

Posted on 03/01/2009 12:42:10 PM PST by Richard Poe

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To: buccaneer81

This is one of those tribesmen who has NO use for any of the Kennedys or their fellow travelers. OR those who empower them.


61 posted on 03/01/2009 1:32:18 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: wmfights

Because there stupid. You get what you pay for. As for Catholics they get what they voted for. I don’t feel sorry for idiots.


62 posted on 03/01/2009 1:33:56 PM PST by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: wmfights
I think that 55% figure, if valid, must be disproportionately weighted by big city residents as so many surveys are. In my smaller town out west there were NO Obama or Democrat bumper stickers in the parish parking lot and inconceivable that many voted for him. I mean, out of a parish membership of thousands, maybe a handful voted Obama for inexplicable reasons. Respect for life is a regular/weekly homily topic and membership conversations along the same lines are common.
63 posted on 03/01/2009 1:34:40 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: wmfights
Natural Law writes: It takes more than professing to be Catholic to be Catholic. The overwhelming majority of Catholics who actually practice their faith voted for McCain.

To which wmfights replies: Denying reality only aids the enemy.

I don't think anyone is denying reality here. While I don't put much stock in exit polls (or any other kind of polls, for that matter), I find the 55 percent figure plausible, for exactly the reason that Natural Law states.

In most cases, an ethnic Catholic would identify himself to a pollster as "Catholic", even if he did not belong to a parish and did not attend church.

I should know. I used to be one of those non-practicing, ethnic Catholics, before finally returning to the Church a few years ago.

Incidentally, I also spent about four years in an evangelical church, back in the 1980s. It's a very different culture. As far as I could tell, there simply is no such thing as a non-practicing evangelical. You're either in or out. If you leave the church, you stop describing yourself as an evangelical.

Given that fact, I am puzzled as to why 25 percent of self-described evangelicals would have told exit pollsters that they voted for Obama.

Non-practicing Catholics voting Dem makes perfect sense to me. But practicing evangelicals? That's puzzling.

64 posted on 03/01/2009 1:38:02 PM PST by Richard Poe
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To: GOPGuide

Something that is amiss in this discussion is that:

from Pew Research:

“Weekly attending white Catholics also voted Republican, by a still larger majority.”

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1112/religion-vote-2008-election


65 posted on 03/01/2009 1:42:57 PM PST by tempe (Stand up for life! Palin/Jindal 2012)
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To: EDINVA
This is one of those tribesmen who has NO use for any of the Kennedys or their fellow travelers. OR those who empower them

Same here (well, half Irish). And I was born and raised in Boston. Got out for good in my late 20s. I saw the Irish mob running the show. Kennedy's people used to come to my work soliciting for the IRA back in the '70s and '80s. It was appalling.

66 posted on 03/01/2009 1:44:35 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: personalaccts

This is more than about Catholics, and it won’t be just Catholis who will suffer.


67 posted on 03/01/2009 1:45:11 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Richard Poe; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of interest.

Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

68 posted on 03/01/2009 1:45:57 PM PST by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: personalaccts
Because there stupid.

They are ignorant of what it means to be Christian. We have the same problem in the Baptist churches. The only difference is the % is less.

...they get what they voted for.

But what they voted for will impact all of us.

69 posted on 03/01/2009 1:53:00 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: steve86
I think that 55% figure, if valid, must be disproportionately weighted by big city residents as so many surveys are.

There probably is a difference in %'s by region and area. I'm in Chicago and the vast majority of Roman Catholics that I know voted for 0. A great many of them regular church attenders.

70 posted on 03/01/2009 1:56:54 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: livius

Both John Paul II and Benedict XVI affirm that the right to own property is a basic human right. You couldn’t find a stronger opponent of Socialism than JPII—he lived under it. JPII’s Centesimus Annus recognizes that free markets are necessary to proper human sense of self-worth and work.

Benedict XVI if anything has even greater respect for the free market system.

However, neither of them endorses unfettered laissez-faire capitalism. Catholicism recognizes, as did our Founding Fathers, that the common good has a claim on individual property. So neither of these popes would approve of extreme Libertarianism. But neither approves of socialism.

If you knew anything whatsoever about Catholic teaching, you would know that Leo XIII in the late 1800s declared that both socialism and laissez-faire capitalism were wrong. Private property is a fundamental right but the common good has a claim on us all.

Catholics and Pope Pius XII were stalwart anti-communists, so much so that the Communists tried to take him down by claiming he collaborated with Hitler, just like the Communists tried to kill Johh Paul II.

Left and right debates are really about just how the common good’s claim on us all gets implemented. Benedict XVI may differ with you on the extent of that claim of the common good, but that does not make him or John Paul II a socialist.

No one articulated a more full-orbed rigorous defense of freedom than did John Paul II—freedom in all areas, beginning with religious freedom but including property-ownership freedom and therefore free markets.


71 posted on 03/01/2009 2:01:03 PM PST by Houghton M.
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To: steve86
steve86 writes: I think that 55% figure, if valid, must be disproportionately weighted by big city residents as so many surveys are.

Yes, and let's not forget that many big-city Catholics are Caribbean Islanders (including Haitians, Dominicans, Puerto Ricans and others) who may have voted for Obama out of misguided racial solidarity, just as so many Irish voted for Ted Kennedy for so many years.

72 posted on 03/01/2009 2:08:34 PM PST by Richard Poe
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To: EDINVA
"This is one of those tribesmen who has NO use for any of the Kennedys or their fellow travelers. OR those who empower them."

I too am one of those tribesmen.

73 posted on 03/01/2009 2:10:51 PM PST by DonGrafico (Underwriting America's permanent underclass since 1975)
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To: what's up
"Catholics are great social conservatives but largely fail in the fiscal conservatism category."

How do you explain gay marriage in Boston, Massachusetts and abortion all over liberal New York? Many are great social conservatives but I would not even say they are the majority of the Catholics. Unions control the hearts and minds of many Catholics. Unionism is the dominant religion in those areas.

74 posted on 03/01/2009 2:19:23 PM PST by Waryone (If the democrats paid taxes like the rest of us, the United States wouldn't have a deficit.)
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To: Richard Poe

If there was anything to exit polls we’d have had President Kerry in ‘04.


75 posted on 03/01/2009 2:20:48 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: Waryone
Unionism is the dominant religion in those areas.

Which proves my point that Catholics are NOT fiscally conservative.

Fiscal matters are the root of conservativism, not social matters. Thus, when the fiscal root is rotten, the social tree will be corroded, even when the social values were once conservative. Boston and NY are a good example of this.

You can take any good, moral bunch of people; if they hold fiscally liberal beliefs they will end up being immoral in the end.

76 posted on 03/01/2009 2:26:18 PM PST by what's up
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To: what's up
what's up writes: Fiscal matters are the root of conservativism, not social matters.

Hmmm. I know that a lot of atheist libertarian types take that position, but I wouldn't be so quick to describe it as conservatism, properly speaking.

77 posted on 03/01/2009 2:32:28 PM PST by Richard Poe
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To: Richard Poe
But practicing evangelicals?

There are plenty of blue-collar evangelicals who don't like the rich, have lost manufacturing jobs and lean toward a social gospel.

The Dems mined those areas this time and won many of those districts.

78 posted on 03/01/2009 2:33:43 PM PST by what's up
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To: GOPGuide
My MIL voted for Obama for just that reason. She is 91 yrs. old. Catholic.

I can barely stand to look at her these days.

79 posted on 03/01/2009 2:38:37 PM PST by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: Richard Poe
I know that a lot of atheist libertarian types take that position

Also, many, many godly people.

Godly people know that individual libery in fiscal matters leads to more individual responsibility. As a sense of individual responsibility grows in society, families are healthier. Thus, community is stronger...many social issues take care of themselves.

In addition, the church prospers because the Gov't is no longer looked to as the prime dispenser of charity; the church is restored to her charitable functions. These are godly dynamics.

80 posted on 03/01/2009 2:39:02 PM PST by what's up
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