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Mark Levin's problem with Glenn Beck ( Beck is correct about mccain )
The Week ^ | September 25th

Posted on 09/26/2009 3:11:14 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing

By saying that Republican John McCain would have been a worse president than Barack Obama............

(I have no use for the rest of this website's drivel. I just want the substance of what Beck said)

(Excerpt) Read more at theweek.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: beck; glennbeck; levin; marklevin; presidentmccain; sniff; sniff3; talkradio; teaparty; thegreatone
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To: Clairvoyance
That and I got tired of hearing Levin praise Hannity and call everyone else backbencher

Backbencher? What does this mean?

101 posted on 09/26/2009 5:18:01 PM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: whatisthetruth

I think he meant bench warmer....I guess.


102 posted on 09/26/2009 5:18:50 PM PDT by Snurple (VEGETARIAN, OLD INDIAN WORD FOR BAD HUNTER.)
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To: netmilsmom

Van Jones? Really? Keeping in mind the poster’s premise that Beck is “knocking on Rush’s door” in terms of influence and importance, let’s call that Rush was so great an asset in the 1994 landslide that he was made an honorary member of the incoming freshman House class.

Van Jones. Conservative House. Conservative House. Van Jones.

Going with Rush on this one.


103 posted on 09/26/2009 5:19:08 PM PDT by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: GoldStandard
Levin is just jealous that Beck rises in popularity ....

Love 'em all, including Mark, but if he starts shooting his own --in light of what Glenn has done--I'll raise some serious hell with Levin. I suspect Mark has some complaints about Glenn's material, which Mark may feel has been "borrowed" and not credited.

I also heard Mark make a snide remark about the NYT bestseller spot....both were claiming #1.

So far Glenn has made some pretty outreagous claims, postions, etc. but he's been able to back 'em up, imho.

104 posted on 09/26/2009 5:22:12 PM PDT by chiller (almost speechless)
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To: imahawk

Agreed 100%. Down here in South Florida, we’ve got WIOD. They play Beck and Rush at their normal time, Todd Schnitt from 3-6, Hannity after that, and then Levin on tape.

I like Schnitt, but I’d rather they drop Schnitt’s 3rd hour and play Levin 5-8, then Hannity on tape delay.


105 posted on 09/26/2009 5:22:58 PM PDT by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: HonestConservative
It is my contention that the left is trying to baptize Beck our leader FOR us, so that they can then later tear him down.
Rush has been through it and so has Levin and remained standing, Beck is a much easier target, and he is setting himself up for a fall with the help of the left.

How is the left doing this? Beck has an audience flocking to him because he is doing something and not just mouthing words. Conservatives are sick of people going through the motions and not laying anything on the line to win (Speaking mostly of our elected Republicans). Glenn Beck has been laying it on the line and he is getting results.

If the best Levin has is to make fun Beck's drunken days and say that Levin was a conservative way back when, Levin ain't got much to communicate any longer. And Levin CAN be a brilliant mind.

106 posted on 09/26/2009 5:23:18 PM PDT by Ghengis
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To: JLS

Why would Ford have retired? Wouldn’t he have just run again for his 2nd term? I’m pretty sure he would have been allowed to as you’re allowed to run for two terms and since he filled out 1/2 of Nixon’s he still would have been eligible.

Even if he didn’t, I’d think Dole as the VP would have been in good shape.

And while no one knows what would have happened from 77-80 if Ford had won, if we assu,e the same things happened(the Iran hostage crisis, the bad economy, high infaltion, gas lines, etc...)it would have been very difficult for any Republican to win. A win in 1980 would have been 4 straight wins for the GOP, which would have been extremely difficult given all that had happened. Who knows, though.

Maybe after Carter lost in 76 and suffering 3 straight defeats the dems would have turned back to the glory days of Camelot and Teddy would have won in 80 as the public got fed up with a decade of GOP rule.

All interesting things to ponder.


107 posted on 09/26/2009 5:23:44 PM PDT by jeltz25
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To: chiller

Yep. He doesn’t whine about the competition either.


108 posted on 09/26/2009 5:24:12 PM PDT by Snurple (VEGETARIAN, OLD INDIAN WORD FOR BAD HUNTER.)
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To: RAO1125

Rush, Hannity, Levin, and Medved only want to eclipse the dems....it is not about improving the country, or returning to the smaller govt concept we came from, but WINNING ELECTIONS. . . l. . . . It is D vs R, and a victory for the R is more important than the country.


109 posted on 09/26/2009 5:27:09 PM PDT by runninglips (It was just time for this to come to a head.....)
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To: HonestConservative

Nobody can slash a liberal into thin slices quicker than Mark Levin. Your right I listen to both. Beck has plagiarized Levin’s book for months for his show content. Listening to Beck is great for 7th grade polysci, if you want a real political and history education with deep thought, Mark is it.


110 posted on 09/26/2009 5:27:48 PM PDT by Naplm
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I lost some respect for Mark over this issue.


111 posted on 09/26/2009 5:29:48 PM PDT by stockpirate ("I came NOT to bring peace but a sword." - Jesus Christ)
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To: Naplm

Ok, so Beck is “lifting” Mark Levin, but he sounds like a 7th grader? Huh? Be consistent in your criticism.

The only thing that Mark and Beck talk about in common is the Constitution. That’s it.

Beck spearheaded the Van Jones effort. Levin followed his lead.

Beck has said McCain would have been worst than Obama. Levin disagreed.

Beck says that both parties are corrupt. Levin disagrees.

I fail to say any “lifting”. I only see jealously. That’s it!


112 posted on 09/26/2009 5:36:03 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

What the hell is “The Week”? The article reads like a MSM Reader’s Digest.


113 posted on 09/26/2009 5:36:54 PM PDT by GVnana (Sarah for America)
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To: Naplm
LOL. I love you Levinites, you just cant admit Beck has done more damage to the left in one year than Levin has done in his whole career, and hes been around for quite awhile. You guys just wont accept the fact that levin was an idiot to start a fight with another conservative over something as stupid as a comment about a RINO like McCain. Pretty stooopid move.

This discussion wouldn't even be taking place if he had just kept his big mouth shut.

114 posted on 09/26/2009 5:37:42 PM PDT by Snurple (VEGETARIAN, OLD INDIAN WORD FOR BAD HUNTER.)
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To: Snurple

“Beck has done more damage to the left in one year than Levin has done in his whole career”

I wish I could say this nicer but you are dead wrong.


115 posted on 09/26/2009 5:40:16 PM PDT by Never on my watch (The lunatics are in the White House - meet me on the dark side of the Moon.)
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To: HonestConservative

“It is my contention that the left is trying to baptize Beck our leader FOR us, so that they can then later tear him down.”

That’s what I was thinking.

As for this silly conflict between two conservatives—it doesn’t interest me.

We have a Marxist overthrow of our constitution going on. Remember?


116 posted on 09/26/2009 5:41:13 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Liberals have neither the creativity nor the confidence to understand the truth of conservatism)
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To: HonestConservative; HossB86
Did Levin have some secret information no one else knew about, had no access to, that Glen Beck stole?

Maybe if the people he supposedly stole this stuff from actually did something with it, Beck wouldn't have anything to steal.

117 posted on 09/26/2009 5:41:31 PM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: netmilsmom; rockabyebaby; Biggirl; chiller; genghis; Arizona Carolyn; Snurple; RAO1125; ...
And Mark always mentions Free Republic!!!

Yep, even with that help for his thread, 3 hours of Levin still can't compete with just 1 power-packed hour of Beck, numbers don't lie, also look for Beck to eventually wrestle the Foxnews' ratings leadership throne from BOR.

Mark Levin Show,"LIBERTY AND TYRANNY",M-F,6PM-9PM,Ray Charles Night,September 25,2009
388 replies · 2,847+ views

GLENN BECK TV THREAD! Friday, September 25, 2009

435 replies · 6,855+ views

118 posted on 09/26/2009 5:43:35 PM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: Never on my watch

Im not going to argue the point because this whole thing is silly. Levin is a conservative...Beck is a conservative. It is stupid for one conservative to attack another over a GD RINO...which McCain is. It gives ammunition to the left, it accomplishes NOTHING but to split people into Beck/levin camps and it is petty.


119 posted on 09/26/2009 5:45:07 PM PDT by Snurple (VEGETARIAN, OLD INDIAN WORD FOR BAD HUNTER.)
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To: EnquiringMind
Mark was DEFENDING OJ. Haven't been able to warm up to him since then.

I really admire people who refuse to let ensuing events change their opinions.

120 posted on 09/26/2009 5:45:52 PM PDT by BfloGuy (It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect . . .)
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To: netmilsmom
That being said, we need not to eat our own. Including our top guys.

With that simple statement you place a letter in front of your name, a letter that means more to you than the truth, the country, or facts. I know that you believe that Republicans are better for the country, are more likely to tell the truth, and adhere more closely to the facts, as do I. I don't expect perfection, close is good enough, if you are seriously striving towards it, but it has been a long time since a person in any party has even tried that tactic. Instead they talk of smaller govt, limited federal role and a return to the Constitution, but they DO NOTHING to advance this cause.....not even lip service any more.

I know this sounds harsh, but why go on supporting the party that brought forth the exact same abomination that the federal govt has become. You do know that the financial system of this country is near total collapse, Obama has sold our friends out for his petty reasons, and McCain has not even commented. God help this country, and help those that have belief in party over truth to wake up.

I know that only a Democrat or Republican can conceivably win a major election in this country. I know that to vote for a third party is a wasted vote...THE WAY THINGS ARE CURRENTLY CONFIGURED.....but if we...you, me and all believers in Conservatism hold out....yell loudly enough, maybe...just maybe we can pull the corrupted ones back across the center to the right a little bit. Heck, I would take a Democrat majority, if most of those were new members of Congress. The other side is not our enemy, just knee jerks of another sort.

We have to quit being so knee jerk in our voting habits. There really are more of us than we know......and as Rush says, the truth will win...maybe Republicans should try some of that radical stuff to get elected.

121 posted on 09/26/2009 5:45:59 PM PDT by runninglips (It was just time for this to come to a head.....)
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To: Snurple

Has anyone noticed Glenn is accentuating his libertarianism, vs his conservatism? He’s trying to widen his base and reach some of the middle in an attempt to take back control of this country. He’s quite a good conservative, imho.


122 posted on 09/26/2009 5:46:33 PM PDT by chiller (almost speechless)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Agreed, if not for Sarah, Hillary would have made a better President than Juan Reach-Across-The-Aisle McQueeg.

At least she's honest about who she is, a "progressive," as opposed to McCain, who is whatever the legislation-de-jeure makes him wanna be.

123 posted on 09/26/2009 5:52:49 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: chiller

...and going a step further, it makes Glenn a bit less of a target if he doesn’t have a big R painted on his back. That may explain his McCain comment.


124 posted on 09/26/2009 5:53:20 PM PDT by chiller (almost speechless)
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To: Snurple

Two quotes from you:

“You guys just wont accept the fact that levin was an idiot...”

“It is stupid for one conservative to attack another”

As for me, I’ll stand by Levin and Beck and Rush, et. al., for advancing the cause. Sit all of them down at a table and throw out an issue, and you get a different passionate opinion from each one. Conservatives are individuals and think that way.

Sit ten liberals down at a table and they will sing the same tune as if they were in a well-practiced choir.


125 posted on 09/26/2009 5:58:24 PM PDT by Never on my watch (The lunatics are in the White House - meet me on the dark side of the Moon.)
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To: chiller
He’s quite a good conservative, imho.

I think he is too.

126 posted on 09/26/2009 5:59:12 PM PDT by Snurple (VEGETARIAN, OLD INDIAN WORD FOR BAD HUNTER.)
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To: Never on my watch

I agree with you. I wish them all success.


127 posted on 09/26/2009 6:00:19 PM PDT by Snurple (VEGETARIAN, OLD INDIAN WORD FOR BAD HUNTER.)
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To: jeltz25

Let’s see:

1. Nixon’s second term began in 1973 and he left office in 19974. That means Ford served more than 2 years and had he won reelection he could have only served those 4 years.

2. I agree what happened with Ford in office 1976 to 1980 would have had a lot to do with how the 1980 election turned out.

It is fun to speculate but like Beck’s conjecture about McCain it is only just conjecture.


128 posted on 09/26/2009 6:01:24 PM PDT by JLS
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To: tirednvirginia
Obama is much worse than any RINO any day of the week.

That's true. At this very moment, Obama's trying to figure out a way to do away with conservative talk radio.

129 posted on 09/26/2009 6:05:35 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: chiller
...and going a step further, it makes Glenn a bit less of a target if he doesn’t have a big R painted on his back. That may explain his McCain comment.
Sorry but if you ever watched his TV hour you'd know he's not worried about being a target.

Given that elected pinhead Republicans (including GW) are labeled "conservatives" we should all run like scalded dogs from the association of the title "conservative" .

130 posted on 09/26/2009 6:07:32 PM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: TigersEye
I stopped posting my list of links about McCain apart from a few exceptions. What was the point after that?

Exactly...Why did Glenn even get involved in a discussion of John McCain. He's mostly irrelevant now...

131 posted on 09/26/2009 6:07:58 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: lewislynn

He read from Mark’s book on the air, on his show and spoke the words, almost verbatim as if they were his own. He has done this more than once.

He gave no indication to his audience that they were not his words but belonged to a published author.

This is just wrong.

Mark gave him behind the scene’s response to this, as a polite warning that this should cease. When after repeated requests it did not cease, Mark took the gloves off.

Do you blame him?

“Maybe if the people he supposedly stole this stuff from actually did something with it, Beck wouldn’t have anything to steal.”

Oh, you mean Mark’s landmark million seller book from which Beck quoted without attributing it to the author, a few times wasn’t “doing something”?


132 posted on 09/26/2009 6:12:52 PM PDT by HonestConservative (Go here for FR Nat'l Convention and Tea Party Video http://vigilantsquirrelbrigade.blogspot.com)
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To: Ghengis

You haven’t hurd of the leftist saying that Rush is done and Beck is our leader?


133 posted on 09/26/2009 6:13:57 PM PDT by HonestConservative (Go here for FR Nat'l Convention and Tea Party Video http://vigilantsquirrelbrigade.blogspot.com)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Wrong. McCain became relevant again as soon as the election was over. He is a sitting Senator and he is seeking re-election once again. I have posted my links plenty since then and when the election starts to gear up I will post them even more.


134 posted on 09/26/2009 6:14:13 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: stockpirate; Sergeant Tim

That is your right.

But I suggest you look into why Mark took the gloves off in public, after repeated warnings to Beck and then get back to me.


135 posted on 09/26/2009 6:16:20 PM PDT by HonestConservative (Go here for FR Nat'l Convention and Tea Party Video http://vigilantsquirrelbrigade.blogspot.com)
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To: RAO1125

very well said. I stopped paying any attention to Hannity when he insisted on blowing his buddy, the northeastern liberal elite rooty toot, every damn night on TV and during the day on his radio show. Beck is indeed approaching Rush in quite a few different areas and Rush has been big enough to acknowledge Glenn positively recently. the fact that Levin and Hannity reportedly (by what I have read here on FR) will not/have not mentioned Beck says a lot...


136 posted on 09/26/2009 6:17:00 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: HonestConservative

Then it all was about Levins ego. I agree with you completely


137 posted on 09/26/2009 6:17:24 PM PDT by Snurple (VEGETARIAN, OLD INDIAN WORD FOR BAD HUNTER.)
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To: stockpirate; Sergeant Tim

That is your right.

But I suggest you look into why Mark took the gloves off in public, after repeated warnings to Beck and then get back to me.

Liberty and Tyranny is a book for the ages, and Mark has every right to protect his property. He slaved over that book and it shows. No ghost writers, 100% TGO.

So as much as we all find arguments in public in the conservative family unproductive to the movement, perhaps think instead of the one who stole, not the victim of the theft.


138 posted on 09/26/2009 6:19:14 PM PDT by HonestConservative (Go here for FR Nat'l Convention and Tea Party Video http://vigilantsquirrelbrigade.blogspot.com)
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To: chiller

yes


139 posted on 09/26/2009 6:21:19 PM PDT by HonestConservative (Go here for FR Nat'l Convention and Tea Party Video http://vigilantsquirrelbrigade.blogspot.com)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Your a fool Mark Levin wrote several articles and denounced Mcccain on the air more than Beck. Beck is clueless to the fact that the goal should be taking back the republican party kick the RINOS out instead of some dreamed up UTOPIA of a party that will stand for all that is good in America. We need to stop this administration first go for base hits not a home run will never happen. Beck has done good work but not the smartest tool in the shed 3rd party spells victory for the marxist. Why do you think the media is starting to put a Rush vs Beck idea out there create division and more noise of 3rd party.


140 posted on 09/26/2009 6:23:23 PM PDT by Three if by government
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To: Snurple

Ego?

I never said that!!!

It is about right and wrong.

It is WRONG to steal that which belongs to someone else,notwithstanding what they teach in gubbamint schools. Theft of intellectual property is a crime.


141 posted on 09/26/2009 6:26:15 PM PDT by HonestConservative (Go here for FR Nat'l Convention and Tea Party Video http://vigilantsquirrelbrigade.blogspot.com)
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To: HonestConservative

Worse the Left wants Beck to lead many people to a 3rd party and cause a split between Conservatives. Marxist win .


142 posted on 09/26/2009 6:32:51 PM PDT by Three if by government
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To: HonestConservative

Oh please, Beck didnt steal anything from levin. He may have quoted from his book (dont know if he did or not)but that is not stealing...people do it all the time. Now a small, ego driven person who is jealous of another may say.. hold on there...you have to mention my name if you quote anything from may book....I want credit....put my name out there... I deserve it. Its pettiness squared.


143 posted on 09/26/2009 6:33:05 PM PDT by Snurple (VEGETARIAN, OLD INDIAN WORD FOR BAD HUNTER.)
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To: savagesusie

Thats idiocy because Beck said people wouldnt have revolted against HCR its fact. Conservatives dont worship leaders let alone tv show hosts. We base our opinions on documents and principles. To think that we needed to push all these radical policies to create a back lash is laughable its like shoot me in the head that will piss off my family.


144 posted on 09/26/2009 6:36:18 PM PDT by Three if by government
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To: whatisthetruth

“Backbencher” is the term Levin always uses for other radio/TV hosts who supposedly steal his ideas and don’t credit him for them. His usual “backbenchers” are Joe Scarborough, Michael Savage, and now Glenn Beck.


145 posted on 09/26/2009 6:36:38 PM PDT by Clairvoyance
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To: runninglips

What in the world are you talking about?
I’m a registered independent and have always been. I vote how I feel, not for a party.

If there is any letter before my name, it’s C. For conservative.

You have given the perfect example of “eating our own”. We are all on the same side. Hold your ego in check.


146 posted on 09/26/2009 6:38:38 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

If Beck clarified that having Obama as POTUS is better because he woke up a portion of the electorate then I would agree with him, but that’s not what he said.

Stating simply that McCain would have been worse is just plain wrong, as much as I despise McCain.

I think if we had the off year elections today, we would win big. The problem that I see is that the MSM didn’t catch on soon enough to lie enough to prevent the 1994 results. They recovered in time to 24/7 rehabilitate Clinton to give him another term, also Clinton being the craven political hack that he was listened to the other craven political hack Dick Morris just enough to trick the electorate into giving him another term.

We have the same pattern today, a wildly overreaching President totally out of touch with mainstream America. Will he wake up in time to get a second term? We know the media will help him, but will he pretend to tack towards the center like Clinton?


147 posted on 09/26/2009 6:38:57 PM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: Snurple

Wrong.

If he used the material from his book and represented it as his own, then it is stealing.

Any high school English class (at least in the past) knows this.

It is a perfect example of theft of intellectual property:

From Wikipedia:

“Intellectual property rights are a bundle of exclusive rights over creations of the mind, both artistic and commercial. The former is covered by copyright laws, which protect creative works, such as books, movies, music, paintings, photographs, and software, and give the copyright holder exclusive right to control reproduction or adaptation of such works for a certain period of time.”


148 posted on 09/26/2009 6:44:13 PM PDT by HonestConservative (Go here for FR Nat'l Convention and Tea Party Video http://vigilantsquirrelbrigade.blogspot.com)
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To: HonestConservative

Do you have the date of the broadcast that Beck read from Liberty and Tyranny? I know the shows are archived and I would like to see it.

You see, we get Mark at 8 here in Detroit. I was watching Beck the day that Mark said what you wrote. I own and have read, many times, Mark’s book. I love it. I listened that night and didn’t remember a quote from the book. I remember lots of information, but all I could think of was the information on Cass Sunstein that was in L&T but also could have been found anywhere. Quotes from Sunstein and such.

So if you could reference the date, I would really appreciate it. I’m a fan of both men.


149 posted on 09/26/2009 6:45:08 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Snurple

Then he came on FR and tried to carry it further by trashing Beck (see the Levin show thread from Tuesday).... I am left to wonder if he had hopes of getting that time slow last year and is upset they chose Beck over him? Ingraham (who I like) bombed in that spot and Beck’s ratings are exploding.


150 posted on 09/26/2009 6:45:36 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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