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Ho-Hum, Another Feathered Dinosaur
CEH ^ | September 25, 2009

Posted on 09/27/2009 2:04:48 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Ho-Hum, Another Feathered Dinosaur

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Last January when the most recent flap about feathered dinosaurs made the rounds (01/21/2009), we listed 18 questions that should be asked before believing the claims made about bird and feather evolution. It would be a good time to review those again (see also footnote 3). The rush to judgment and eagerness to prove dinobird evolution should raise red flags...

(Excerpt) Read more at creationsafaris.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: belongsinreligion; catasrophism; catholic; christian; creation; dinosaurs; evangelical; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; intelligentdesign; notasciencetopic; origins; peleontology; propellerbeanie; protestant; science
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To: Boogieman
I assume that you are referring to the “punctuated equilibrium” branch of evolutionists?

Not only them.

51 posted on 10/02/2009 10:03:12 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: count-your-change

ooh...Random House American College! Nice liberal dictionary there. You could probably fetch a pretty penny for it at DU.


52 posted on 10/02/2009 10:05:11 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Gondring
Naw, I'll give it to you right now so you'll have it to use over there (you'll need it), and keep the pretty penny, I hear liberals mint them!
53 posted on 10/02/2009 10:13:24 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

No thanks. I use good conservative ones.


54 posted on 10/03/2009 10:54:56 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Your propaganda vanities are getting rather annoying. Take it to church.


55 posted on 10/03/2009 10:56:02 PM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/)
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To: Gondring
How can you determine what is a “conservative” dictionary and can you name one that meets that criteria?
56 posted on 10/03/2009 11:00:13 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: lefty-lie-spy
Thanks for the encouragement. Why am I not surprised that you identify with the Left and hail from Northern California. I will be sure to put up an extra post extolling the wonders of God's creation (and exposing Darwood’s evo-religious creation myth) to compensate for the ignorant leftist bigotry contained in your lame reply.
57 posted on 10/04/2009 6:37:44 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Whoa, he used the L word on me. Is that permitted in the scriptures?


58 posted on 10/04/2009 6:42:21 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/)
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To: lefty-lie-spy

Be sure to get a chain for that L, as I’m sure you will wear it proudly.


59 posted on 10/04/2009 7:39:12 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

I see. Anyone that doesn’t agree with your propaganda is a not a Conservative. Grow up, son.


60 posted on 10/04/2009 9:43:23 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/)
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To: lefty-lie-spy

Oh, I see, if YOU don’t agree with the Christian Right—one of the central pillars of the Reagan Coalition, without which conservative Republicans can never win elections—then they should be banished from Free Republic and consigned to the church where they can talk about Judeo-Christian morality on Sunday. If you ever wondered why the conservative movement is wandering aimlessly in the desert, look in the mirror. Talk about the need to grow up!


61 posted on 10/04/2009 9:57:20 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

I see you’re imagining things. Not one word you wrote has any relationship to my saying that you are narrow-minded, intolerant. The more you speak, the more intelligent people know that you still think the Earth is flat, that its center of the universe, that stars were placed on a crystal celestial sphere, and that God planted fossils on purpose to deceive humans into questioning his existence.....Hmmmmmm. Riiiiiiiiiiiiighhhhhhhhhhhhhhht. LOLZ.

I advise you to debate, rather than whimper and whine and make a fool of yourself. No credible people believe in that God pointed a finger at Earth and living creatures appeared suddenly, and no one believes the Earth is 6,000 , 10,000, or whatever-have-you years old.

Faith is fine, but when it blinds your common sense, you have become fool.


62 posted on 10/04/2009 10:12:59 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/)
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To: lefty-lie-spy; GodGunsGuts
The more you speak, the more intelligent people know that you still think the Earth is flat, that its center of the universe, that stars were placed on a crystal celestial sphere, and that God planted fossils on purpose to deceive humans into questioning his existence.....

The only reason people think that conservatives or people like GGG think that is because of the lies spread about them by people like you.

It's a common evo tactic to accuse non-evos of all kinds of nonsense and then blame the non-evos for the reputation that the evos are making up and spreading about them.

63 posted on 10/04/2009 11:06:52 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: lefty-lie-spy; GodGunsGuts

And no one enjoys the kind of verbal flatulence that you seem to desire spewing. Evo’s like you pretend to speak for a large portion of society for the simple reason that you are insecure about your own beliefs (or lack thereof).

I’ve been an observer of human nature for most of my life and the thing I’ve found about the kind of ego the likes of you display is that it’s generally founded in the same stuff as is the bully on a playground: there’s something generally lacking, whether it be a bad relationship with your mother or problems with your manhood or the like.

For instance, in one single response you have proposed that GGG believes a whole host of things that are entirely unfounded. Actually, what you’ve said here are blatant lies and your comments are generally slanderous. However it’s not hard to surmise who you are by just the few words you’ve written. Your intolerance screams and the smallness of your world is evident by the juvenile nature of your weak and tasteless response.

Honestly, I’d love to debate you on the theory of evolution, but judging from what you’ve written here I’m not sure you’d have the mental capacity to argue the physical characteristics of peanut butter, much less the complexities of Creation.

Just my humble opinion. Here... I’ll sign it so you’ll have no question who posted this reply. You can use it when you start crying about being attacked by a Creationist.

Sincerely,

Gordon Greene


64 posted on 10/04/2009 11:08:09 AM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Snakes in the Whitehouse, Idiots in the pressroom.)
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To: lefty-lie-spy; GodGunsGuts

“Your propaganda vanities are getting rather annoying. Take it to church.”

Missed this... and what makes you click on them? You have no control over your own will? Not a very good Darwinist, my friend.

Survival of the fittest does not bode well for one so weak.


65 posted on 10/04/2009 11:13:51 AM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Snakes in the Whitehouse, Idiots in the pressroom.)
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To: Gordon Greene

Gordon,

Cool. I’m up for debate. Thanks for being sensible. Now..how to start debating with a young-Earther fundamentalist Christian that doesn’t believe in science? When we get that figured out, I’ll start pitching, but until then, its a moot point arguing or debating with you folks. And there is nothing insincere about calling a young-Earther a flat-Earther or center-of-universer because it all came from the same dogma. I’ll wait until the next stupid thread is posted to “debate”, but you’ll have to start providing evidence from your side, otherwise its not a debate.

Sincerely,
LLS


66 posted on 10/04/2009 11:15:03 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/)
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To: lefty-lie-spy
I advise you to debate, rather than whimper and whine and make a fool of yourself. No credible people believe in that God pointed a finger at Earth and living creatures appeared suddenly, and no one believes the Earth is 6,000 , 10,000, or whatever-have-you years old.

Meanwhile, back here in reality, polls over the last generation show an ever growing proportion of America favoring biblical creation. The latest polls having been consistently showing the proportion of Americans believing in mankind being less than 10kya old is over 50%. How's it feel being in the minority? (Apparently it feels very insecure, judging from your emotional posting.)

67 posted on 10/04/2009 11:15:41 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: Liberty1970

Us conservatives get used to feeling like minorities. You should know that by now.


68 posted on 10/04/2009 11:16:51 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/)
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To: Gordon Greene

Yeah, I need to pull this channel off my display list so I don’t see them any more .


69 posted on 10/04/2009 11:18:00 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“Ho-Hum, Another Feathered Dinosaur”

Ho-Hum, Another GGGs post....


70 posted on 10/04/2009 11:19:08 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: lefty-lie-spy

I understand why people come to believe in evolution after years of teaching it in the schools. However, those of us who believe in creation are not fools. I am requesting that you show respect to us, and not call us names. We need to do the same for you guys.

I’d like these discussions to show respect in both directions and stop the animosity. More light and less heat.


71 posted on 10/04/2009 11:20:48 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Shouldn’t you post these in Religion instead of News/Activism? I’m not removing news from my sidebar, so you’re going to have to expect people that disagree with your vanities to participate.


72 posted on 10/04/2009 11:20:52 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/)
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To: lefty-lie-spy; GodGunsGuts

“how to start debating with a young-Earther fundamentalist Christian that doesn’t believe in science?”

This in itself proves out that you cannot be debated. Your assumption that those who believe in Creation cannot possibly believe in science is the problem. God created science and we do start from the assumption there is a God. The issue with your side is you start with the assumption that God either doesn’t exist or that He has no hand in what happens in the world. As a result, your conclusions will all lead to that one premise. Based on that I completely agree that debate is useless.

So, I must assume from your statements that you are a racist who believes that Africans and American Indians are savages who are not quite as fully evolved as Europeans. After all, those ideas and Evolution all came from the same dogma. Hmmm?


73 posted on 10/04/2009 11:25:14 AM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Snakes in the Whitehouse, Idiots in the pressroom.)
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To: lefty-lie-spy

Are GGG’s daddy? “Grow up, son.”?


74 posted on 10/04/2009 12:14:42 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: lefty-lie-spy

Are you GGG’s daddy? “Grow up, son.”? (fixed)


75 posted on 10/04/2009 12:15:30 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

I’m guessing Alley Oop!


76 posted on 10/04/2009 12:16:42 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism - "Who-whom?")
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To: headsonpikes
Hold on there! Ol Alley was a good read. But some no everything attacking the messenger because they don't have the sand to understand or debate the message gets to be tiresome.

So I might ask to borrow your pike to mount a head on. Don't worry, it'll be a light load! Cheers!

77 posted on 10/04/2009 12:32:12 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: lefty-lie-spy; GodGunsGuts; editor-surveyor; Boogieman; count-your-change; UCANSEE2; ...
Lefty, you said that GGG and those who think like him

"think the Earth is flat...and ....that no credible people believe that God pointed a finger at Earth and living creatures appeared suddenly, and no one believes the Earth is 6,000 , 10,000, or whatever-have-you years old."
Who is the flat earther and who is not? Do you also believe in global warming? Do you also believe that socialism is the way the world will prosper and mankind will advance? Do you also believe in the other ridiculous things these people teach? Think about where and who you stand beside and support. All the things these these people teach and support are similar to their theories in evolution. They are all lies that they have perpetrated to control the masses to get the world they want for us to live in. Either you agree with all their lies or not. For all their lies are totally based upon blind faith that has clouded their common sense just as their belief in evolution has.

See, I can turn this around on you and use your own argument against you. You practice a blind nonsensical faith, because you would rather believe men who have been proved to lie and obfuscate. You want to believe in men's wisdom, and the wisdom of men has been proven to be wrong time and time again.
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you thinks that he is wise in this age, he must become foolish, so that he may become wise. 1Corinthians 3:18
Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 1Corinthians 1:20
but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, 1Corinthians 1:27
You can be as smart and wise as you desire when it comes to things of this world, but when you speak of God, you are speaking of the One who made the rules we must live by. Let me repeat that, we, not Him must live by. God is not bound by the simplicity of our minds nor the realm to which we live, because as I said He created the laws to which we are bound by.

In reality, your beef is not with those of us who claim to believe what the Scriptures tell us about what God did, your beef is with the One whom you think does not have the ability nor the right to do with that of which He created.
On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it? Romans 9:20
Ultimately, you are not in agreement that an all knowing, all powerful God who has the right to do what you cannot explain. So, you use arguments that have never been proven to be accurate, supported and promoted mostly by the very individuals whom you disagree with in almost every other aspect of human existence on this planet. I can only come to the conclusion, and forgive me for being so blunt, but it comes down to your desire to put God in a box that you can understand and explain.

You are not the only one to do such a thing, many men throughout history have decided that they would rather have a god that they can understand and agree with. Usually when men do this they come up with a God who thinks like men. Is it any wonder why Muhammad created a heaven that only a teenage boy in puberty could understand. Think about it?

Notice how many false religions, and even false Christian leaders, get all wrapped up into sex? Well even their idea of what heaven would be like is based upon their limited knowledge of what men think utopia would be like. Take Islam as an example. Muhammad has decided that he thinks heaven is a place where the men who qualify get 70 virgins, who become virgins again after they were deflowered. Joseph Smith decided that heaven was a place where women would be perpetually pregnant. (as an aside these two religions should get together, because one will need many virgins to replace the ones becoming pregnant) This is the type of logic you get when you put God in a box that men can understand, explain, and agree with. We as men are but children to God, and like children we can only fathom the partial knowledge that we have of everything.
For we know in part and we prophesy in part; but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. 1Corinthians 13:9-12
When all we see and know is gone, then those who profess Christ as their Lord and Savior will understand as He does, because He will open our eyes. Then it will be for us as it was for Saul when the scales fell from his eyes and he saw the truth. We too will lose the scales that have us blinded our minds and limited us to this world of which our minds are bound.
you said that,"and no one believes the Earth is 6,000 , 10,000, or whatever-have-you years old."
You are wrong sire, I like GGG, and others whom you say are none, but in reality are truly millions, also believe that God is bigger, more powerful, and more awesome than you could imagine. So in God's ability, yes He could and yes He has, made all you see and all you can understand in 6 earthly human days. There is no disputing it, because if you do? Then you dispute with God not, men.

What you need to do, is allow God to open your eyes as He did for Elisha's servant, and then you may understand why so many of us believe that which you cannot fathom.
Now when the attendant of the man of God had risen early and gone out, behold, an army with horses and chariots was circling the city. And his servant said to him, "Alas, my master! What shall we do?" So he answered, "Do not fear, for those who are with us are more than those who are with them." Then Elisha prayed and said, "O LORD, I pray, open his eyes that he may see." And the LORD opened the servant's eyes and he saw; and behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha. 2Kings 6:15-17
It has been said that a mind is like an umbrella, it only works when it is open. I suggest you open your mind, and allow God to enlighten you beyond man's mere understanding of things.
78 posted on 10/04/2009 12:38:41 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: lefty-lie-spy; GodGunsGuts
Your propaganda vanities are getting rather annoying.

If you don't like it, "What in the wide, wide world of sports" prompts you to comment? Just pass on by.

79 posted on 10/04/2009 12:43:06 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: lefty-lie-spy; GodGunsGuts
Shouldn’t you post these in Religion instead of News/Activism?

Well, if you consider comments on feathered dinosaurs as a religious topic, then I suppose you may have a point. But you better alert the editors of "Nature" and "Science".

80 posted on 10/04/2009 12:47:36 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: OneVike

Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!


81 posted on 10/04/2009 12:50:09 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: lefty-lie-spy

Creationists and IDers have been given specific permission to post in News/Activism by the owner of FR. If you don’t like this policy, you’re barking up the wrong tree.

PS Do you get equally upset when you see articles that evangelize on behalf of Darwin’s thoroughly discredited evo-religious creation myth?


82 posted on 10/04/2009 1:03:24 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: OneVike
In reality, your beef is not with those of us who claim to believe what the Scriptures tell us about what God did, your beef is with the One whom you think does not have the ability nor the right to do with that of which He created.

My beef is with people like you that do not believe in the abilities of God but limit Him to human views.

83 posted on 10/04/2009 1:11:12 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: GodGunsGuts; metmom
Creationists and IDers have been given specific permission to post in News/Activism by the owner of FR. If you don’t like this policy, you’re barking up the wrong tree.

I have never seen an IDer post on FR. I suspect that metmom may be one but she hasn't said she is. I know that she will not (like you) declare that God in the Intelligent Designer.

84 posted on 10/04/2009 1:12:38 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater

What are you talking about? I post ID papers and articles all the time.


85 posted on 10/04/2009 1:14:20 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Creationists and IDers have been given specific permission to post in News/Activism by the owner of FR. If you don’t like this policy, you’re barking up the wrong tree.

ID is evolution spiked with miracles. How does one lump YEC creationists in the same category with those that believe that humans evolved over billions of years?

86 posted on 10/04/2009 1:14:29 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: GodGunsGuts
What are you talking about? I post ID papers and articles all the time.

You are an IDer? I didn't think you were since you had said that God was the Intelligent Designer. I think you a little mixed up on what you believe.

87 posted on 10/04/2009 1:15:30 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: GodGunsGuts
GGG declares himself to be an IDer!

me: I have never seen an IDer post on FR.

GGG: What are you talking about? I post ID papers and articles all the time.

88 posted on 10/04/2009 1:16:57 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: metmom
It's a common evo tactic to accuse non-evos of all kinds of nonsense and then blame the non-evos for the reputation that the evos are making up and spreading about them.

Do you believe the earth is less than 10,000 years old?

89 posted on 10/04/2009 1:18:56 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater
My beef is with people like you that do not believe in the abilities of God but limit Him to human views.

Excuse me? What are you attempting to say that I think?
90 posted on 10/04/2009 1:20:00 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike
Excuse me? What are you attempting to say that I think?

That you cannot conceive of an all-powerful God and limit your perception of his deeds as "God did it" and cannot fathom a God that designed this masterful Universe and more.

91 posted on 10/04/2009 1:22:45 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater

I am not part of the Intelligent Design proper, but I do believe that the Universe and everything in it is the product of God’s intelligent design. As such, I am sympathetic to much of the research, and many of the arguments, advanced by ID scientists.


92 posted on 10/04/2009 1:23:32 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: ColdWater

You sir are HIGH!

You obviously never read what I wrote in comment #78.


93 posted on 10/04/2009 1:25:09 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: GodGunsGuts; metmom
I am not part of the Intelligent Design proper, but I do believe that the Universe and everything in it is the product of God’s intelligent design. As such, I am sympathetic to much of the research, and many of the arguments, advanced by ID scientists.

Oh. Then we are back to ZERO ID posters on FR. Unless metmom declares.

94 posted on 10/04/2009 1:25:11 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: GodGunsGuts
I am not part of the Intelligent Design proper,

What do you consider the Intelligent Design proper?

95 posted on 10/04/2009 1:37:22 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: lefty-lie-spy; GodGunsGuts
Faith is fine, but when it blinds your common sense, you have become fool.

As your screed would seem to demonstrate?

You are not engaging in any kind of reasonable debate. You are only demonizing an opponent. All heat, no light.

96 posted on 10/04/2009 1:39:43 PM PDT by betty boop (Without God man neither knows which way to go, nor even understands who he is. —Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: ColdWater; g.g.g.; metmom
ColdWater

You are quickly making a fool of yourself by what you are attempting to use as logic.
Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Or you will also be like him. Proverb 26:4
That being said, I will stop trying to communicate with you, for I do not wish to be thought of as a fool like you.

Good day sir.
97 posted on 10/04/2009 1:39:44 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: ColdWater
What do you consider the Intelligent Design proper?

It's located two blocks down from the Temple of Darwin, address unknown.

98 posted on 10/04/2009 1:41:28 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: OneVike
All the things these these people teach and support are similar to their theories in evolution. They are all lies that they have perpetrated to control the masses to get the world they want for us to live in. Either you agree with all their lies or not. For all their lies are totally based upon blind faith that has clouded their common sense just as their belief in evolution has.

Oh, you mean things like the earth is a sphere that revolves around the sun?

99 posted on 10/04/2009 1:41:49 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater
The official Intelligent Design movement. I am a lowercase intelligent design proponent, and I am an uppercase biblical YEC.
100 posted on 10/04/2009 1:46:59 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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