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If we sacrifice Jerusalem, why defend London?
American Thinker ^ | November 29, 2009 | James Lewis

Posted on 11/29/2009 7:09:50 AM PST by IbJensen

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To: IbJensen
Minus the hyperbole, I agree with the concept of declaration of force.

Win, a war, come home. Peace through strength, not peace through welfare.

21 posted on 11/29/2009 7:50:15 AM PST by BGHater ('The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule')
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To: IbJensen

so you want the US to start a new world war?
because this pretty much sounds like this.
i mean saudi arabia,north korea,cuba, russia....


22 posted on 11/29/2009 7:51:57 AM PST by darkside321
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To: IbJensen
If a country, like Saudi Arabia trains terrorists, like the 9/11 rats then that nation's ability to produce oil should be destroyed.

The Saudi government did not train the 9/11 hijckers. They were trained and funded by AQ. If we were to destroy the oil production capability of SA, the entire world's economy would descend into chaos.

According to the Oil and Gas Journal, Saudi Arabia contains approximately 267 billion barrels of proven oil reserves (including 2.5 billion barrels in the Saudi-Kuwaiti shared "Neutral" Zone), amounting to around one-fifth of proven, conventional world oil reserves. Saudi Arabia maintains the world’s largest crude oil production capacity, estimated to be around 10.5 - 11 million bbl/d, at mid-year 2008. It is the world's largest exporter of oil.

23 posted on 11/29/2009 7:59:01 AM PST by kabar
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To: IbJensen
If we sacrifice Jerusalem, why defend London?

Or Jew York City.

24 posted on 11/29/2009 9:24:26 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
Just think of all the cash he can distribute as retribution for slavery and to ACORN and CAIR if America resigned as world cop.

Not as much as you might think. The military budget outlays for FY2008 was 4.3% of GDP, while federal entitlements were 12.6& of GDP. The FY 2010 military outlays are to be $524.8 Billion, which is $35.7B *less* than FY2009, and 30.8B less than FY 2008. As we know the FY 2010 total budget is going to be much much higher than the FY 2008 or 2009 budgets, so the fraction that is military (about 20% in Fy 2008) will be much smaller as well, since the defense budget is going down, while the total federal outlays is going up.

At least the fraction of GDP devoted to defense may go up, but only because the GDP is down so very much. Even in FY 2008 we borrowed more than total military outlays.

25 posted on 11/29/2009 9:50:40 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: IbJensen
Iran, Venezuela and Cuba: poof!

By God sir, I like you.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

26 posted on 11/29/2009 10:34:22 AM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: justiceseeker93; ExTexasRedhead; Salem

This headline is a very good question.


27 posted on 11/29/2009 11:04:28 AM PST by Clintonfatigued (Liberal sacred cows make great hamburger)
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To: El Gato
The Jews in New York City are pitiful Democrats.

Jews in Haifa, Jerusalem are patriotic mostly practicing Jews.

28 posted on 11/29/2009 11:35:47 AM PST by IbJensen (America being militarily and economically strong isn't enough: We must be morally strong!)
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To: darkside321
What? No courage.

Ah, you don't believe we can win...right?

I think we should try.

29 posted on 11/29/2009 11:38:21 AM PST by IbJensen (America being militarily and economically strong isn't enough: We must be morally strong!)
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To: kjo

If our scheming government has its way and more illiterate Somalis are allowed in the same thing will happen to the USA!


30 posted on 11/29/2009 11:40:24 AM PST by IbJensen (America being militarily and economically strong isn't enough: We must be morally strong!)
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To: IbJensen
That's after all the meaning of Pax Americana. We do the work, they do the bitching.

When you can accurately sum up 60 years of European history in 25 words or less, you are pretty good.

31 posted on 11/29/2009 12:12:28 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: kabar; wintertime
We had a treaty with South Vietnam. Ask somebody in Saigon Ho Chi Minh City how that worked out.
32 posted on 11/29/2009 1:03:59 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (Jew, conservative, and proud supporter of Israel.)
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To: Just A Nobody
S'OK. By now it is completely mutual. By now I wouldn't blink an eye if half the capitals on the planet were nuked by nutjob terrorists. "Serves 'em right" is all I'd think about it.
33 posted on 11/29/2009 1:05:39 PM PST by JasonC
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To: Slings and Arrows
We had a treaty with South Vietnam.

That was under SEATO, which was trumped by the Paris Peace Accords. I can cite chapter and verse on what went wrong there based on my year in-country (including during the Tet Offensive) and another eight months off the coast.

34 posted on 11/29/2009 1:10:37 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

Actually, I was thinking post-Paris; specifically, that we promised to support Vietnam if they were attacked, and that the Democrat-controlled Congress cut off funding.


35 posted on 11/29/2009 1:26:42 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (Jew, conservative, and proud supporter of Israel.)
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To: kabar
They were trained and funded by AQ.

Al Quaida's activities are funded in large part by the rulers of Saudi Arabia. This should be enough to cause massive drilling of our own oil potential which is number one of ALL world known reserves.

AQ is power that is not limitless. If SA's #1 customer tells them where they can shove their oil production then AQ is without financing.

The world economies are already descending into chaos.

36 posted on 11/29/2009 3:58:35 PM PST by IbJensen (America being militarily and economically strong isn't enough: We must be morally strong!)
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To: darkside321
No. Let's just sit back, do what we've been doing and watch as the United States is relegated to the dustbin of history.

The US is being used as a doormat both by our league of enemies and by our evil Congress and President.

37 posted on 11/29/2009 4:01:03 PM PST by IbJensen (America being militarily and economically strong isn't enough: We must be morally strong!)
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To: IbJensen
Al Quaida's activities are funded in large part by the rulers of Saudi Arabia.

The Saudi Royal Family has been the target of AQ. And if you read Bin Laden's fatwahs, he wants to take down the House of Saud.

The government of Saudi Arabia is not funding AQ.

38 posted on 11/29/2009 4:26:13 PM PST by kabar
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To: IbJensen
The Jews in New York City are pitiful Democrats. Jews in Haifa, Jerusalem are patriotic mostly practicing Jews.

True in general anyway.

But my point was that many see New York City as a "Jewish" city, never mind that these days there might be more Muslims in the city proper than Jews. Thus it's subject to the same sorts of attacks, and in point of fact, has already been hit, more than once.

If we can't defend Jerusalem, or just let the Israelis do a proper job of it, why would be bother defending New York, LA, Dallas-Ft Worth, etc, etc. We'd be like Chamberlain, hoping the alligator eats us last, forgetting that even if we are eaten last, we'll still be eaten. Better to kill the 'gator, drain the swamp, and/or whatever it takes, than to try to appease it. Both 'gators and Jihadis are not very appeasable. Being appeased just makes them want more and be more confident of their next "meal".

39 posted on 11/29/2009 4:42:00 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Actually, I was thinking post-Paris; specifically, that we promised to support Vietnam if they were attacked, and that the Democrat-controlled Congress cut off funding.

A little more complicated than that. Here is a good timeline- Vietnam the bitter end

The North Vietnamese violated the Paris Peace Accords. Here is the text.

We did nothing when the accords were violated. Congress and the public had little stomach to reenter the fight. The last US troops left Vietnam in March 1973. The last American to die in combat was January 1973.

January 14, 1975 - Testifying before Congress, Secretary of Defense James Schlesinger states that the U.S. is not living up to its earlier promise to South Vietnam's President Thieu of "severe retaliatory action" in the event North Vietnam violated the Paris peace treaty.

January 21, 1975 - During a press conference, President Ford states the U.S. is unwilling to re-enter the war.

March 10, 1975 - The final offensive begins as 25,000 NVA attack Ban Me Thuot located in the Central Highlands.

40 posted on 11/29/2009 4:45:52 PM PST by kabar
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