Posted on 02/20/2010 2:42:51 PM PST by onyx
Ron Paul Wins CPAC 2012 Presidential Straw Poll
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It started long before that, when Paul blamed the US for the 9/11 attack.
Was the poll question something like this: ‘Who do you think is the nuttiest candidate out there’?
CPAC might as well fold up its “big tent”. It has failed.
Yes, but, in the past most Republican primary voters feel comfortable voting only for some failed retread from the past: Dole and McPain come to mind. While these GOP geniuses rejected George W. Romney in 1968, they have been waiting until 2012 to rectify things, I fear.
"...provide for the common defense..." is spelled out in the Constitution as one of the reasons for forming a Constitutional Republic, and border security certainly falls under that, something both the Dems and the GOP have failed to do.
But then, none of them believe Bush orchestrated the 911 attacks, nor any of the other wild-eyed 'troofer' beliefs which are often attributed to libertarians.
Some have advocated the end of the 'war on drugs' which they see as a loser, as inflating the price of street drugs which they assert contributes to a host of other social problems in addition to the drugs, as making organized crime rich, and as being the justification for egregious violations in both statute and act of our Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights.
That does not mean that they are drug users, nor that they even approve of using drugs, just that they see how destructive the whole campaign has been to the Bill of Rights for all of us.
The same arguments were used to repeal alcohol prohibition.
Had one suggested that police, dressed in full combat regalia and carrying automatic weapons, were kicking down doors in the middle of the night when I was a kid, we would have asked "Where? In the USSR? Nazi Germany?". Not in America.
Frankly, if Conservative ideals are going to dominate in the discussion, (I am a Constitutional Conservative, an originalist, if you will) I think we can all find enough common ground which is at odds with the Socialist regime currently running this country off a cliff that we can change direction for the better.
Failure to do so will only result in the sort of self-destructive nit-picking which has proven destructive to our efforts in the past.
So let's get down to some common goals, some which will serve the desires and needs of all.
As a first step, overturn Roe, and return the decisions about "choice" to the States. That is not perfect, but it will save a lot of lives annually, and is a step in the right direction.
It also flies in the face of standardized health care at the Federal Level, which must be stopped or repealed ASAP, due to the expense and degredation of service which will ensue. Paying for care for those who desperately need it is one thing, insuring everyone (which means you pay even if you don't need care) is quite another.
DOWNSIZING the Government. With the elimination of Federal agencies and programs which have no Constitutional authorization, and the return of those functions to the individual states or local government, the expense and control of those functions devolves to the State and local level, where people can eliminate them if they so choose.
Allow failure. The Declaration of Independence claims 'The Pursuit of Happiness' as an unalienable Right, but that is only the Right to pursue it, not a guarantee of success. End the bailouts. Nothing is 'too big to fail', Rome wasn't, our country isn't, and if we don't let the institutions which have made a wreck of their business affairs fail, we risk dragging the whole nation underwater with them.
Painful? Certainly, for some. Why share the pain for the misdeeds of those who have lived lavish lifestyles with those who have lived humble lives within their means--so those who have lived lavish lifestyles can continue to do so? In 1929, some of those who were ruined jumped out of windows, but the only thing falling on wall street last year was the net worth of retirement nest eggs.
I could go on, but this is a start, and I welcome others to add to it.
What Conservative ideals do you see as immutable?
We can paint this anyway we care to, but it’s going to be used against us by the MSM in a huge way.
CPAC has that DC feel to it. I show Sarah has ethics whereas CPAC doesn’t. The Fed-Ex thing stinks to high heaven along with the britchers. To be blunt this gathering is not for Sarah. The Nashville event was Sarah’s cup of TEA. Sarah is for the people whereas CPAC is in it for themselves.
LOL. The students vote.
The adults don’t bother with straw polls. Pity that.
Yes. Like Glenn Beck said, “Big tents are for circuses.” (Paraphrasing).
Yes, for the most part, the Nashville event was almost ideal for our Sarah. I say “almost” because Tancredo and Farah from WND gave the news media just enough fringe to run with. I think Sarah was the ideal keynote speaker.
I see a federal government doing about 4 things. ONLY 4 things.
1. Defend the nation from attack & invasion (borders and coasts included)
2. Assure trade between the states is free (not regulate it) and they all use the same weights and measures. A pound in one is the same as a pound in another.
3. A federal court that ensures the states are not violating the Bill of Rights.
4. Hunt down and execute child molesters and child pornographers.
How conservative is that?
So much for CPAC. When they pick Mr. “We Brought 9-11 On Ourselves,” you know it’s jumped the shark.
I’m not happy with Palin supporting McQueeg, but the fact that she blew off CPAC and not the Tea Party Convention speaks volumes to me.
And, for those who are also upset about her McCain endorsement, do a search to find the last time she’s so much as uttered John McCain’s name. It’s been weeks. Her endorsement was cursory at best.
I’m coming to the realization that Sarah Palin might be the last hope for America. Therefore, I support her 100%.
(just PLEASE stay away from McCain)
Rush, Mark and Beck should be interesting on Monday. I personally still Like Glenn Beck, but not hardly anything else that spoke at CPAC. It is queer nation now. We don’t need them now. We have the Tea Parties. Can’t have them taken over by the GOP or Libertarians or Truthers or those with conspiracy theories. The constitution is what I uphold, but not lame theories and rinos.
“None of the self-professed Libertarians I have talked with want to open the border. They are not against legal immigration, but recognize that those who immigrate should follow the laws here—and learn to speak English.”
2004 Libertarian Party Platform:
Immigration
The Issue: We welcome all refugees to our country and condemn the efforts of U.S. officials to create a new “Berlin Wall” which would keep them captive. We condemn the U.S. government’s policy of barring those refugees from our country and preventing Americans from assisting their passage to help them escape tyranny or improve their economic prospects.
The Principle: We hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age or sexual preference. We oppose government welfare and resettlement payments to non-citizens just as we oppose government welfare payments to all other persons.
Solutions: We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics.
Transitional Action: We call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.
What strikes me is all these goofs who DEMAND our votes for THEIR guy, telling us that getting as little as twenty percent of what we require will have to do, yet someone who is better than EIGHTY PERCENT on their “professed” side, that actually wants smaller, more Constitutional government, they can do NOTHING but attack him as if he were Adolph Hitler and Josef Stalin and Genghis Khan all rolled into one, even though every one of the things they call him out for have been debunked dozens of times over. Even the site owner does that. Makes me wonder just how straightforward they are, even to themselves, about how much they really DO want the Constitution restored and FedGov shrunk to fit it.
Paul supporters usually can stack a straw poll, but they fade in the stretch.
And you DON’T post kook pictures and slam Dr. Paul’s supporters? You’re way over the top here, yourself.
Ron Paul?
Romney?
CPAC HAS NO CLUE.
IT IS NOW OFFICIAL. LOL!
They are the best (or worst, based on perspective) COMEDY SHOW AROUND!
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