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Mark Levin: I have no idea what philosophy Glenn Beck is promoting. And neither does he
Mark Levin Fan ^ | February 21, 2010 | Mark R. Levin

Posted on 02/21/2010 1:14:06 PM PST by Sergeant Tim

I was invited to be the opening speaker at Saturday's CPAC session. I had accepted but then, to my amazement, I learned that the John Birch Society would be one of many co-sponsors. This takes the big-tent idea many steps too far for me. So, I withdrew. Apparently, others were not so moved. That's fine. But it wasn't for me. Bill Buckley and Barry Goldwater, among others, chased the Birchers from the movement decades ago. And they're not a part of the movement. So, to give them a booth at CPAC was boneheaded.

I want to commend Bill Bennett for his wise piece this morning on the Corner. I agree with him.

I have no idea what philosophy Glenn Beck is promoting. And neither does he. It's incoherent. One day it's populist, the next it's libertarian bordering on anarchy, next it's conservative but not really, etc. And to what end? I believe he has announced that he is no longer going to endorse candidates because our problems are bigger than politics. Well, of course, our problems are not easily dissected into categories, but to reject politics is to reject the manner in which we try to organize ourselves. This is as old as Plato and Aristotle. Why would conservatives choose to surrender the political battlefield to our adversaries -- who are trashing this society -- when we must retake it in order to preserve our society? Philosophy, politics, culture, family, etc., are all of one. Edmund Burke, among others, wrote about it extensively, and far better that I possibly can. But all elements of the civil society require our defense. Besides, why preach such a strategy when conservatism is on the rise and the GOP is acting more responsibly?

Moreover, when he does discuss politics, which, ironically, is often, how can he claim today that there is no difference between the two parties when, but for the Republicans in Congress, government-run health care, cap-and-trade, card check, and a long list of other disastrous policies would already be law? The GOP is becoming more conservative thanks to the grass-roots movement and a political uprising across the country, which has even reached into New Jersey and Massachusetts. Why keep pretending otherwise? My only conclusion is that he is promoting a third party or some third way, which is counter-productive to defeating Obama and the Democrat Congress. These are perilous times and this kind of an approach will keep the statists in power for decades.

And what of his flirtations with Ron Paul's lunacy respecting America's supposed provocations with her enemies, including al-Qaeda? Why should such a fatal defect in thinking be ignored? Do we conservatives agree with this?

Finally, Beck is fond of congratulating himself for being the only or the first host to criticize George Bush's spending. This is demonstrably false. I not only attacked his spending, but the creation of the Homeland Security Department, the prescription drug add-on for Medicare, his "moderate" tax cuts, as well as his nomination of Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court, "comprehensive immigration reform," and so forth. And I was not alone -- Rush and Sean did the same, for example. And as someone who fought liberal Republicans in the trenches when campaigning for Reagan in 1976 and 1980, I don't need lectures from Beck, who was nowhere to be found, about big-spending Republicans. But this is not about me, or Beck, or Beck's past drunkenness (which he endlessly wears as some kind of badge of honor). It is about preserving our society for our children and grandchildren. Beck spent precious little time aiming fire at Obama-Pelosi-Reid in his speech, and it is they who are destroying our country.

On as a positive note, I am personally happy to see that Beck has cleaned up his public act -- as best I can tell, no more boiling fake frogs on TV or pretending to pour gasoline on someone -- and the rest of it. But I do think his speech, which contained nuggets of truth heard before and read elsewhere, including on Rush's show and in my book and many other books, may have distracted from some of the more compelling and coherent speeches at the event, including Marco Rubio's superb speech. I fear the media will see to this. I hope not.


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To: Wingy
I don't think that Beck is trying to start a third party. He seems to be aimed more towards 'cleansing' the Republicans of the progressive element. True he didn't spend much time bashing Reid, Obama, et al , but do you really think that that crowd was wondering about the merits of the current bunch in power? When you read, listen, or watch Beck, you must always remember that it's the progressives that he counts as enemy number one. The fact that this stripe goes through both parties to greater or lesser degrees give rise to his disdain for both.

You are absolutely right.

51 posted on 02/21/2010 1:35:22 PM PST by samtheman
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To: Sergeant Tim

From Mark’s endorsement of Romney: http://article.nationalreview.com/346341/rally-for-romney/mark-r-levin

“The only one left standing who can honestly be said to share most of our conservative principles is Mitt Romney.”

How anyone could say Romney shares most of our conservative principles is beyond me.


52 posted on 02/21/2010 1:35:26 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Sergeant Tim
I get the same impression from this convention that I did from the demo'Rats in summer of '72--a whole parade of screwballs, homos, party hacks, and just assorted wackjobs. It was not what I had thought the democrats were all about. And my man, Hubert Humpphrey, was too old-fashioned for them so they tried to shove McGovern down our throats. After this, I went indy and then republican & conservative. But that convention proved what the party had become; this CPAC freakshow shows what the GOP has become in their desperation for votes & money.

Conservatives had best keep making inroads into the establishment GOP until they capitulate. It will take years, but we can't give up. CPAC is a bad joke. No wonder Sarah Palin turned them down.

53 posted on 02/21/2010 1:35:35 PM PST by molybdenum ((A nation without borders is not a nation......Ronald Reagan.))
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To: Sergeant Tim
One bitter, opportunistic infotainer envies another bitter, opportunistic infotainer that dwarfs him in the public eye. Pathetic all around.
54 posted on 02/21/2010 1:35:42 PM PST by LanaTurnerOverdrive ("I've done a few things in my life I'm not proud of, and the things I am proud of are disgusting.")
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To: Sergeant Tim; All

“I have no idea what philosophy Glenn Beck is promoting. And neither does he. It’s incoherent. One day it’s populist, the next it’s libertarian bordering on anarchy, next it’s conservative but not really, etc. And to what end?”

First, I wholeheartedly agree with this statement.

“Moreover, when he does discuss politics, which, ironically, is often, how can he claim today that there is no difference between the two parties when, but for the Republicans in Congress, government-run health care, cap-and-trade, card check, and a long list of other disastrous policies would already be law?”

Second, I cannot agree with this. You can’t have it both ways. In this one statement he is giving Obama the out by saying that “bipartisanship” is the reason stuff ‘isn’t getting done in Washington’. I have seen numerous articles discussing “How can Obama blame the Republicans? The Dems have had a filibuster proof House, Senate and WH?” Which is true, but then you can’t at the same time give credit to the Republicans for stopping it!


55 posted on 02/21/2010 1:36:14 PM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: hennie pennie

Ping to you!


56 posted on 02/21/2010 1:36:35 PM PST by Utah Binger (Mount Carmel Utah, Freeper Picnic in Planning)
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To: beaversmom

That’s because Herman Cain is the most awesomist of awesome people in the world. I would SO vote for him for President.


57 posted on 02/21/2010 1:36:52 PM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: Sergeant Tim

Mark Levin is da man!

Beck is out for money and I question his sincerity in his outbursts.


58 posted on 02/21/2010 1:37:17 PM PST by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: samtheman

Making ‘spending’ BIG does not enhance your argument.

Mark knows full well that spending has been out of hand for a long time. Just bitching about it and spending all your valuable time trashing the past will not change it. Beck wants change but to what? Ron Paul clones?


59 posted on 02/21/2010 1:37:30 PM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive

You are insulting, but that is what passes for those who are informed soley by Beck.


60 posted on 02/21/2010 1:37:56 PM PST by jenk (REMEMBER MASSACHUSETTS!!)
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To: Sergeant Tim
Bill Buckley and Barry Goldwater, among others, chased the Birchers from the movement decades ago.

That's not the way I remember it.

It was Barry Goldwater who stated: "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"

That was an explicit endorsement of the John Birch Society by Goldwater. Levin is full of it.

I'm no "Bircher" but those guys are patriots and were simply demagogued to near death by the MSM of the time when the leftist media was fresh from their triumph in defining "Mcarthyism" and writing it in stone into our history books.

61 posted on 02/21/2010 1:38:15 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: jenk
Beck is insulting to the conservative movement.

How is that? His speech was awesome and I agree with most of what he said.

62 posted on 02/21/2010 1:38:29 PM PST by meyer ("It's not enough just to not suck as much as the other side" - G. Beck)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
Until we own up to just how significant the betrayal of principle was that occurred in the Republican party, we cannot properly fix the problem.

Good grief, for how long should we own up to it, Everyday it is doom doom doom, we are doomed. Okay, so we have some RINOs still around but we also have some conservatives who have owned up and are fighting the Obama agenda. Should every single Republican hold a presser like Woods and apologize? What will satisfy you and Beck?

I agree they screwed up, I agree we need to vote out the RINOs but we have Rubio and Pence and my senators, Coburn and Inhofe to name a few who are still fighting, and on state and local levels as well. Would it kill Beck just once to mention one of these guys and gals?

People are working hard on all levels to elect conservatives and tune in to Beck and are constantly told they are as bad as Democrats, it is depressing.

63 posted on 02/21/2010 1:38:30 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: whitedog57

The overly emotional get-in-the face techniques drive me batty. He reminds me of an either an Amway salesman or an evangelical preacher, halfway between tears, shouting, and phony blackboard/white-board presentations.


65 posted on 02/21/2010 1:38:59 PM PST by BuckyKat
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To: Sergeant Tim

I liked Thompson also, but now he is supporting McCain. lost a lot of respect for him because of that...


66 posted on 02/21/2010 1:39:15 PM PST by goat granny
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To: big'ol_freeper

Levin, Coulter and DeMint supported the Mittster during the last primaries.

They MUST do better this time around.


67 posted on 02/21/2010 1:40:27 PM PST by Canedawg (FUBO! Just FUBO.)
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To: Utah Binger
Great words that we can use against the dumb bastards that think Beck is so wonderful.

Do you want to call me a "dumb bastard" to my face, you spineless POS?

68 posted on 02/21/2010 1:40:33 PM PST by meyer ("It's not enough just to not suck as much as the other side" - G. Beck)
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To: PGalt

#1a. Correction. Their = There. (Sheesh)


69 posted on 02/21/2010 1:40:50 PM PST by PGalt
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To: Sergeant Tim; JustPiper; onyx; CondoleezzaProtege

Thank you much for posting this, Sergeant Tim.


70 posted on 02/21/2010 1:41:14 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: Sergeant Tim

Exactly! Beck frequently comments on what a jerk he has been in his life, and I do believe in redemtion and I have had jerky moments in my life. However his “jerky” moments have almost sounded sadistic, drunk or not, there didn’t seem to be any room for compassion in his previous actions.

I don’t believe a leapard changes it’s spots (is that the phrase I’m thinking of? I hope leapards are spotty, LOL), not completely anyway. Beck lost me with the “Question EVERYTHING!!! Except verification that Obama is qualified to be President. You people who question that are NUTS!”


71 posted on 02/21/2010 1:41:26 PM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive

“One bitter, opportunistic infotainer envies another bitter, opportunistic infotainer that dwarfs him in the public eye. Pathetic all around. “

So damn true, it deserves to be repeated.


72 posted on 02/21/2010 1:42:52 PM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: jenk
Freshman class dropouts are those informed solely by Beck

Mark Levin writes books, freshmen cannot read.

73 posted on 02/21/2010 1:43:17 PM PST by Utah Binger (Mount Carmel Utah, Freeper Picnic in Planning)
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To: chichipow

“I had the same idea that Beck may be trending towards trying to validate a third party that will be a total disaster for conservatives.”

I almost sounds as if that’s what he’s doing, doesn’t? God bless you for your wisdom and your willingness to say it here in these pages when so many conservativer-than-thou types are panting for a third party. Shades of the Perotistas.


74 posted on 02/21/2010 1:43:35 PM PST by righttackle44 (What kind of foreign name is Obama?)
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To: InterceptPoint

Either your memory is faulty or it is you who is constipated. Google it.


75 posted on 02/21/2010 1:43:43 PM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: Sergeant Tim
One day it's populist, the next it's libertarian bordering on anarchy, next it's conservative but not really, etc.

And every day it's an infomercial for his gold broker. Mark at least confines the head-for-the-hills mentality to just the broker's commercials.

76 posted on 02/21/2010 1:43:49 PM PST by snarkpup ("If you can't run anywhere, become stronger than anyone!" - Lt. Cmdr. Lyar von Ertiana)
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To: meyer
Beck doesn't make the allowance for Conservatives fighting within the Republican Party when he lumps both the R's and the D's together-which he does constantly. He is a one-trick pony.

Telling people how bad Obama is is not enough to change things. When he lumps the two together (maybe he doesn't know it, but) he shows his ignorance of the many views of the parties. If he keeps this up, his followers will reject small disagreements with Republican candidates and create chaos.

77 posted on 02/21/2010 1:44:19 PM PST by jenk (REMEMBER MASSACHUSETTS!!)
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To: meyer

Just did.


78 posted on 02/21/2010 1:44:19 PM PST by Utah Binger (Mount Carmel Utah, Freeper Picnic in Planning)
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To: whitedog57

aye, they’re good! King Dude is my fave, I learn much from him and he can get me laughing so hard!


79 posted on 02/21/2010 1:44:21 PM PST by Irenic
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
Perfect Rovian,

Nice post. You nail it.

Another plus for Beck, or any like him, is that rational practical conservatives who are about the work of governing, NEED a voice to the right of them.

Otherwise, to compromise and pass legislation (or even budgets), we always lean left further than we would without that voice to the right. And, that voice needs to be LOUD enough to mean something.

IMHO

Oldplayer

80 posted on 02/21/2010 1:44:27 PM PST by oldplayer
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To: beaversmom

It seemed like a bunch of RINOS were running CPAC to me.


81 posted on 02/21/2010 1:44:30 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Sergeant Tim

I’m not voting for Beck for any office and I’m not voting for anyone he suggests just because he suggests it. And I don’t agree with everything Beck says.

On balance, he’s doing a great job of bringing conservative ideas to people who probably haven’t thought much about politics one way or another in their lives.

And much of what he says is spot on, especially regarding progressives and their absolute essential requirement to destroy the constitution.

And it doesn’t bother me that I disagree with Levin on this. I can disagree with Levin and still like him and listen to him and appreciate him.

Levin is wrong about Beck. But he’s still The Great One.

Even a Great One can be wrong once in awhile.


82 posted on 02/21/2010 1:44:43 PM PST by samtheman
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To: Utah Binger

I would like to see Beck go head to head with Joseph Farah for a full hour on Fox without getting red in the face and shouting him down. I bet I will never see that happen though. Amazing how he touts the “question with boldness” part but DOESN’T ALLOW someone who simply wants to “question with boldness” Obama’s real birth certificate.


83 posted on 02/21/2010 1:44:47 PM PST by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
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To: meyer
Do you want to call me a "dumb bastard" to my face, you spineless POS?

The only posts on this thread are personal, ad hominum attacks on Beck. Kinda like Levin (whom I like) yelling at the top of his lungs only these guys have no intellectual, reasoned or compelling argument to make.

They are just shallow trolls and bomb-throwers. We'll just have to wait and see how far it goes...

84 posted on 02/21/2010 1:44:50 PM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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To: samtheman

and the Republicans — especially Ron Paul — are still feeding at the spending trough in droves.


85 posted on 02/21/2010 1:45:12 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Vision

Agreed....both levin and hannity are JEALOUS!


86 posted on 02/21/2010 1:46:34 PM PST by teg_76
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Right on. The Republican’s, sad to say, contributed as much to the financial mess we presently find ourselves in as the Democrats. Unfortunatley, it has been going on for almost a century. Spend, spend and more spending. Result, a huge national debt that has the Nation on the brink of bankruptcy. Earmarks, ridiculous, unfundable programs to buy votes and concern for election and/or re-election over the health and well being of America. An old paper by Charlie Reese, 545 vs. 300,000,000 sums it up very well. Beck may not know exactly where he is headed or where you believe he is trying to take us, but, in my opinion, it is a better place than where we are today.


87 posted on 02/21/2010 1:46:35 PM PST by mulligan
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To: Sergeant Tim

Ha! The tent is getting so big that the bouncers are having cage fights.


89 posted on 02/21/2010 1:46:52 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
As much as it pains you Mark, this isn't about you. Bill Bennett's piece this morning wasn't 'wise'. It was indicative of the problem with establishment Republicans who just don't get it.

There are two choices: Either many elected Republicans are so hopelessly incompetent and so spineless that they cannot enact the policies that they claim to support OR they are complicit in the attempted destruction of this republic.

Until we own up to just how significant the betrayal of principle was that occurred in the Republican party, we cannot properly fix the problem.

Mark, I fear that your borderline obsession with Glenn Beck has clouded your judgment on this.

This is the most important post on this thread. Thank you, perfect_rovian_storm. You are dead right.

90 posted on 02/21/2010 1:47:00 PM PST by samtheman
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To: jenk

what clear GOP fiscal conservative is Beck excoriating daily? Because I can’t think of one... he goes after PROGRESSIVES like John McCain, and McCain IS a conservative in name only.


91 posted on 02/21/2010 1:47:10 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Sergeant Tim

As I understand it, the Birchers have cleaned up their act since the 50s and 60s. Why are they still unwelcome by Mark and others?


92 posted on 02/21/2010 1:48:01 PM PST by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: meyer

too your face? LOL aren’t you in your house somewhere in front of a computer? LOL


93 posted on 02/21/2010 1:48:02 PM PST by jenk (REMEMBER MASSACHUSETTS!!)
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To: beaversmom
Personally I think Levin should have participated in CPAC.”

Is Levin speaking at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference (SRLC) in April?
Never used to listen to him before, but thanks to FR, I started listening to him. He is a very smart man, and a true conservative.
As for CPAC, there were some great speakers out there. Loved Ann Coulter’s speech (I love red meat).
However, like a lot of people here, I have a serious problem with a gay group calling itself GOProud, sponsoring a supposedly conservative conference, and booing conservative speakers off the podium.
Pandering to aggressive gay groups, goes against core conservative family values, not to mention it's a pretty stupid policy for the GOP or conservatives. Like blacks and Lantino’s, by far most gays vote for the Democrats anyway, so why sell your core principles and go about pandering to a group that is hard core on gay marriage?

94 posted on 02/21/2010 1:48:21 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: autumnraine
I don’t believe a leapard changes it’s spots (is that the phrase I’m thinking of?...

Perhaps you're thinking of OwlGore's infamous quote of "A leopard doesn't change its' stripes."

95 posted on 02/21/2010 1:48:28 PM PST by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: Sergeant Tim
Sounds a bit whiney, Mark.

There are enough viewers, converts, captives and listeners for Mark, Glenn, Rush, Sean, Savage and others. They each have their audiences and that's good. We need them all collectively.....not one speaks for me 100% of the time!!!!

96 posted on 02/21/2010 1:48:36 PM PST by MadelineZapeezda (Promoted by God to be a mother!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...................Thanks, Susan!)
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To: ScreamingFist; samtheman

The John Birch Society thought Dwight Eisenhower was a Communist spy.


97 posted on 02/21/2010 1:48:45 PM PST by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: Sergeant Tim

here is a novel thought........perhaps glenn beck is not promoting any ideology.......perhaps he is just a reporter, in the old sense, looking for and uncovering stories wherever they may be, but mostly where the msn is not looking...


98 posted on 02/21/2010 1:48:45 PM PST by joe fonebone (CPAC.....Commies Playing At Conservatism)
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To: Liberty Valance

I like that line.


99 posted on 02/21/2010 1:48:54 PM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: Utah Binger
Thank you MUCH, you are right - this is definitely up my alley.

I've had difficulty listening to Levin, due to that irritating nasal quality; however, I'll have to find some way to listen in the future, as I share alot of his ideas.

100 posted on 02/21/2010 1:49:12 PM PST by hennie pennie
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