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Jesus' Return (for the Rapture of all who belong to Him) is Very Near
The Bible at Bible.com ^ | Today Feb whatever it is, 2010 | self

Posted on 02/27/2010 8:02:16 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt

Disasters - earthquake, Tsunami, others - happening rapidly now.

Read Matthew 24. There will be earthquakes.....etc.

When we see these events occurring in increasing frequency it is because these are the "birth pangs" that we have been told by Jesus Christ Himself - would happen closer together in time as do the birth pangs of a woman in labor. The closer she gets to giving birth, the worse the birth pangs become and the closer together they come.


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To: Quix

Christ was quite fierce in His attitude about such groups 2000 years ago

Catholics were the only Christian group 2,000 years ago and Christ was very pleased with us......still is!!!!


401 posted on 02/28/2010 5:03:39 PM PST by terycarl (4)
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To: terycarl

UNMITIGATED NONSENSE on both counts.


402 posted on 02/28/2010 5:11:13 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: blackbart.223

Naaaaaaaaa.........you’re fine. :)


403 posted on 02/28/2010 5:47:26 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Here's a thought!! Donate to the website you are on RIGHT NOW!!)
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To: Random Access

Satan is the king of this world.


404 posted on 02/28/2010 6:09:13 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: eclecticEel

And yet the occurrence of pestilences is at an all-time low.”

Is it?

pes·ti·lence (pst-lns)
n.
1. A usually fatal epidemic disease, especially bubonic plague.
2. A pernicious, evil influence or agent.


405 posted on 02/28/2010 6:16:26 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: terycarl; Quix
You were saying ...

Catholics were the only Christian group 2,000 years ago and Christ was very pleased with us......still is!!!!

You gotta be kidding... LOL... (I do hope you're not serious here...).

First of all -- 2,000 years ago, there was no such thing as the Catholic Church. We're talking about when Jesus, the Messiah of Israel was still a young boy at the time. He had not even gone on His ministry to Israel at that time.

BUT, perhaps you were talking about "roughly" 2,000 years ago. if so, then let's say you're talking about right after the time that Jesus ascended into Heaven in the direct sight of about 500 of His own Jewish brethren.

There was still no Catholic Church at that time. Jesus was a Jew, who has Jewish disciples, and His Apostles were all Jewish. When the first ones listened to Peter preach, they were all Jews from other areas, coming into Jerusalem for one of the Jewish holy days.

We can move ahead to a council held in Jerusalem to discuss the status of Gentiles in the Jewish church at that time (you can read about it in Acts). The door wasn't fully opened to even Gentiles until that time. There was no Catholic Church at that time either. It was a Jewish church, who has Jesus as the Messiah of Israel, discussing how to allow Gentiles to participate... :-)

We can move ahead about 60 years into the future from that time, to about the time that John wrote the book of Revelation. There was still no Catholic Church at that time.

And we can keep moving ahead to 4th and 5th Centuries before a structure called the Catholic Church can be considered to be in place, or beginning to be "in place".



The Origin of the Papacy

With the influence of Constantine (A.D. 280-337), who made Christianity a “religion of power,” the bishops strengthened and increased their privileges. During this time there were five metropolises: Rome, Alexandria, Antioch, Constantinople, and Jerusalem. Rome in the West and Constantinople in the East gained greater prominence because of their locations (Mattox, 1961, p. 137). While the power of the episcopacy grew in these cities, so did the controversy over which of these two cities, and their representative churches and bishops, should have supremacy.

On October 10, 366, a man named Damasus was elected Bishop of Rome. He was an energetic man who fought for the pontificate against his opponent Ursinus, another bishop elected by a small number of followers (see “Damasus I,” 1997, 3:865-866). During his pontificate, Damasus fought to confirm his position in the Church of Rome. He also fought to compel the other cities to recognize the supremacy of the Bishop of Rome over all other bishops. Damasus even went as far as to assert that the “Church of Rome was supreme over all others, not because of what the council [of Rome in 369 and of Antioch in 378—MP] decided, but rather because Jesus placed Peter above the rest, elevating him as the cornerstone of the church itself” (“Saint Damasus,” 2005).

In spite of Damasus’ efforts to establish the preeminence of Rome and his pontificate, he did not finish his work. After his death in December 384, Siricius was elected as the Pontiff of Rome. He was less educated than Damasus, but empowered himself with a higher level of authority than other bishops had demanded. Siricius claimed inherent authority without consideration of the Scriptures. He demanded, and threatened others, in order to gain more and more power. He was the first to refer to himself as Peter’s heir (see Merdinger, 1997, p. 26). Siricius died on November 26, 399. Without a doubt, he and Damasus were principal forces behind the development of a universal ecclesiastical hierarchy.

In 440, Leo I became the pontiff. He was an ardent defender of the supremacy of the Roman bishop over the bishops in the East. In a declaration to the Bishop of Constantinople, he stated:

Constantinople has its own glory and by the mercy of God has become the seat of the empire. But secular matters are based on one thing, and ecclesiastical matters on another. Nothing will stand which is not built on the Rock which the Lord laid in the foundation.... Your city is royal but you cannot make it Apostolic (quoted in Mattox, 1961, pp. 139-140).

The supremacy referred to by Leo I was based on the assumption that the Lord exalted Rome, including its church and pontiff, over other major cities because of traditions about Peter. By that time it was accepted as “fact” that Peter had been the first Bishop of Rome and that he had been martyred there. Those traditions, along with Rome’s legacy as an evangelistic influence in the first century, gave the city a “divine aura” that supposedly connected it to the apostolic age and distinguished it from other cities. These beliefs greatly influenced the development of a hierarchy in the church.

On September 13, 590, Gregory the Great was named Bishop of Rome. He was another advocate of Petrine tradition, and named himself “Pope” and the “Head of the Universal Church.” By the end of his pontificate, the theory of Peter’s primacy and that of the Bishop of Rome was firmly established. Finally, with the appearance of Boniface III on the papal throne on February 19, 607, Roman papacy became universally accepted. Boniface III lived only a few months after his election. Many other bishops followed his legacy of “runners for supremacy.”

406 posted on 02/28/2010 7:54:50 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: streetpreacher
. . . . .It was an inane analogy to the working of the Holy Spirit with an old Ralph Macchio flick that these hyper-charismatics all too often employ. . . .

You are suggesting I ought to keep informed about feelgood movies targeted at teenyboppers of the '80's??

Without having watched the Karate Kid, AC's posts were nonsensical gibberish. I knew nothing about the Karate Kid or Pat Morita (after Happy Days and Sanford and Son), and I still know nothing about Ralph Macchio beyond the Karate Kid stuff I found on Wiki today. So while I NOW READILY UNDERSTAND the analogy, it was gobbledygook without knowing about the Karate Kid plot (and I make no apology for not knowing this particular sack of tripe).

And then there's the Danuelson/Daniel-san Meoggie/Miyagi issue, but life is short and priorities must be assigned, eh?

Dare I say it - credibility is a serious criteria in things both literary and theological, not to mention scientific, philosophical, governmental, animal, mineral, and of course, vegetable (if you get my meaning).

Dedicated to eliminating inanity,
I remain,
skeptoid

407 posted on 02/28/2010 7:58:29 PM PST by skeptoid (Sarcasm is my middle name and I'm proud of it.)
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To: skeptoid
Still not understanding, we do not always see what GOD is doing in our lives.....
God is working behind the scenes like a caterpillar is in the cocoon, we sometimes do not know the transforming power that GOD is doing in our lives...
408 posted on 02/28/2010 8:50:48 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: streetpreacher
Ohh ye of little faith...
No doubt that there is power in our tounge ? our words ?
So ? you think, with your own human wisom that our words do not have any effect ?
The bible says, there is power in our tounge, we can speak life, or death, blessings or cursing, go ask a woman, tell will tell you that hurtful words from their husbands cause pain in their lives, and the love they had for their husbands die...

No street preacher, the LORD REBUKE YOU !

Though you say you see, yet, your still blind, though you say you hear, yet, you still can not hear...
409 posted on 02/28/2010 8:54:47 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: AppyPappy
In the first place, it if GOD who sits on the throne....
Does not ? the bible tell us to bless others ?
The bible tells us there is power in our tongue, to either speak life or death, blessing or cursing...
GET OUT OF THE RELIGIOUS SET MIND SET and let the LORD deliver you from carnal thinking.
410 posted on 02/28/2010 8:57:52 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: AppyPappy
Typo correction to the religious minds who would even find fault in my spelling.....

Correction :

In the first place, it IS GOD who sits on the throne....
411 posted on 02/28/2010 8:59:31 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: Star Traveler
Thank you for this Star....clarifies some things I questioned and I will look further into the origins. So indeed it was man who claimed this title of Pope and designed it insisting that he was next “in line” to Peter.

I recall Jesus had something to say to the disciples about who would be greater...when they argued among themselves about this....He basically put things into perspective thereafter, and it had nothing to do with a Pope or one who would be in succession to any of the disciples. Had Jesus wanted lines of succession He would have given instructions on this I would imagine. Reminds me of the Jewish nation wanting a King when God himself was there King yet they were not satisfied.

so ultimately looks like they were arguing over who and also where “The” primary Church would be. Interesting!

412 posted on 02/28/2010 9:10:50 PM PST by caww
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To: Star Traveler

To quote Mel Allen, “How about that”! Maybe.


413 posted on 02/28/2010 10:15:45 PM PST by Atchafalaya (Atchafalaya Basin; when you're there , thats the best)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Pray for Copeland. He may need it.


414 posted on 02/28/2010 10:44:22 PM PST by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: Star Traveler

As I’ve put it for a long time hereon . . .

ARROGANT BUREAUCRATIC POLITICAL POWER-MONGERING gone to seed and that 100’s of years after Christ.

NOT ANYthing close to what Jesus would want to touch with a 100’ pole, much less establish.


415 posted on 03/01/2010 12:08:42 AM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: caww

Thank you for this Star....clarifies some things I questioned and I will look further into the origins. So indeed it was man who claimed this title of Pope and designed it insisting that he was next “in line” to Peter.
I recall Jesus had something to say to the disciples about who would be greater...when they argued among themselves about this....He basically put things into perspective thereafter, and it had nothing to do with a Pope or one who would be in succession to any of the disciples. Had Jesus wanted lines of succession He would have given instructions on this I would imagine. Reminds me of the Jewish nation wanting a King when God himself was there King yet they were not satisfied.

so ultimately looks like they were arguing over who and also where “The” primary Church would be. Interesting!

#############

WELL PUT.

Thx.


416 posted on 03/01/2010 12:10:51 AM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
Fifty Signs We're in the End Times:

1) Increasing instability of nature. (Matthew 24:7 & Luke 21:11)

2) Increasing lawlessness and violence. (Matthew 24:12)

3) Increasing immorality. (Matthew 24:37)

4) Increasing materialism. (2 Timothy 3:2)

5) Increasing Hedonism. (2 Timothy 3:4)

6) Increasing influence of Humanism. (2 Timothy 3:2)

7) Depraved entertainment. (2 Timothy 3:4)

8) Calling evil good and good evil. (2 Timothy 3:3 & Isaiah 5:20)

9) Increasing use of drugs. (2 Timothy 3:3)

10) Increasing blasphemy. (2 Timothy 3:2)

11) Increasing paganism. (2 Timothy 3:1-4)

12) Increasing despair. (2 Timothy 3:1)

13) Signs in the heavens. (Luke 21:11,25)

14) Increasing knowledge. (Daniel 12:4)

15) Increasing travel. (Daniel 12:4)

16) The explosion of cults. (Matthew 24:11)

17) The proliferation of false christs. (Matthew 24:5)

18) Increasing apostasy in the Church. (2 Timothy 4:3-5)

19) Increasing attacks on Jesus. (Romans 1:18-19)

20) Increasing attacks on the Bible. (Romans 1:18-19)

21) Increasing persecution of Christians. (Matthew 24:9)

22) Increasing occultism. (1 Timothy 4:1)

23) Wars and rumors of wars. (Matthew 24:6)

24) Weapons of mass destruction. (Luke 21:26)

25) Increasing famine. (Luke 21:11)

26) Increasing pestilence. (Luke 21:11)

27) Computer technology. (Revelation 13:7)

28) Television. (Revelation 11:8-9)

29) Satellite technology. (Revelation 11:8-9)

30) Virtual reality. (Revelation 13:14-15)

31) Unification of Europe. (Daniel 2 & 7)

32) Far Eastern military powers. (Revelation 9:16 & 16:12)

33) Movement toward world government. (Daniel 7:23-26)

34) Regathering of the Jews. (Isaiah 11:10-12)

35) Re-establishment of Israel. (Isaiah 66:7-8)

36) Reclamation of the land of Israel. (Ezekiel 36:34-35)

37) Revival of Biblical Hebrew. (Zephaniah 3:9; Jeremiah 31:23)

38) Re-occupation of Jerusalem. (Luke 21:24)

39) Resurgence of the Israeli military. (Zechariah 12:6)

40) Re-focusing of world politics on Israel. (Zechariah 12:3)

41) Russian threat to Israel. (Ezekiel 38 and 39)

42) Arab threat to Israel. (Ezekiel 35 and 36)

43) Denial of the Second Coming. (2 Peter 3:3-4)

44) Denial of creation by God. (Romans 1:18-22)

45) Outpouring of the Holy Spirit. (Joel 2:28-29)

46) Translation of the Bible into many languages. (Matthew 24:14)

47) Preaching of the Gospel worldwide. (Matthew 24:14)

48) The revival of Messianic Judaism. (Romans 9:27)

49) The revival of Davidic praise worship. (Amos 9:11)

50) The understanding of Bible prophecy. (Daniel 12:8-9)

So yes, like I said, Jesus gave us the signs of His return, as we can see in the Scriptures above, and He commanded Christians to look for His return and to recognize the signs when they occur.

It is only the willfully blind, lovers of this world, haters of God, or those who know they are not ready to stand before their Creator who will deny to their last breath that man was given signs by Christ or that they are happening.

But, there is no doubt at all, that we were given advance warning by God of what would happen before His return and there is absolutely no doubt that we can know when it is near. And at no time in the past few thousand years have all of these signs happened in conjunction with each other as they are now.

I would also like to see the hard data showing that we are having more earthquakes than in the past.

Footsteps of the Messiah, Chap 4, p96

Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum

The earthquake factor is even more interesting. According to the Encyclopedia Americana, between the years 63-1896 A.D. there were only twenty-six recorded earthquakes. Most of the world’s earthquakes began to occur since 1900 (per USGS Natl Earthquake Information Center. Earthquakes with 1,000 or more deaths from 1900.) http:neic.usgs.gov/neis/eqlists/eqsmajr.html. 12May2000

More recent web lists form USGS record some 80 quakes from 856AD to 1896, and some 432 major quakes for the 20th century, while in the first decade alone over 432 major quakes over 6.0 have been recorded (this tally is not consistent though, as some of those in the 20th century 432 tally are less than 3.0 located in remote areas or are aftershocks, while frequently over 100 quakes are recorded daily in the same range in the early 21st century. see http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/world/historical.php)

One article from the “Dispatch from Jerusalem”, 3rdQtr, 1992, p.11 referenced in Footsteps of the Messiah provides a greater number in middle centuries as recorded:

“In the first 1000 years after Jesus, there were approxiamately 5 recorded major earthquakes (although we are sure more occurred in remote locations). However, the trend has been on the increase:

The trend does appear to be undeniably increasing with respect to the impact of earthquakes upon humanity.

417 posted on 03/01/2010 2:11:42 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: American Constitutionalist

Then who are you to command God to do anything? We are His. The sheep of his pasture.


418 posted on 03/01/2010 3:36:11 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

I guess you missed that whole computer and machine era. The reason we have more measurable earthquakes is because we can now measure them.

This whole “The time is now” mindset was rebuked by Paul in the First Century.

“God sets up kings and deposes them”...Book of Daniel


419 posted on 03/01/2010 3:39:04 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
This whole “The time is now” mindset was rebuked by Paul in the First Century.

I see you forgot the supporting Scriptures. Or maybe you couldn't find them because they don't exist.

Hey, was there a one world government in the first century like there is now? And the technology to enable fist century human beings to fulfill Revelation 13:16 like there is now?

Oh, let me add before I go:

First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation. (2 Peter 3:3,4)

There's been enough fulfillment of that prophecy on this thread alone to erase anybody's doubts about the time we're living in.

420 posted on 03/01/2010 4:35:51 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

We could start with Romans when Luke tells us to be subject to the authorities in response to Christians supporting rebellion because the sign was that the end was coming. Then there was the part where people quit working because they thought the end was imminent. Paul even gets into the spirit when he tells people not to marry unless they are burning.

The end has been coming since the 1st century. We aren’t even close to the end. Revelation seems to imply that the rapture will come as a complete surprise. That means very few people will know anything about the Bible. That’s not true today.


421 posted on 03/01/2010 6:04:52 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

I’m so ready!


422 posted on 03/01/2010 6:10:36 AM PST by DungeonMaster (A Christian Democrat is better than a heathen Republican)
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To: AppyPappy
Are we not his ? his children ? does the bible say that we are seated with him in heavenly places ?
Didn't Elijah tell King Ahab that by his word that the rain will not come down in Israel for 3 years.
Does it ? or does it not say in the book of Isaiah, that God confirms the words of his servants, and performs the counsel of his messengers ?
Didn't Jesus strip away the authority that satan took away from us ? For GOD command Adam and Eve to take dominion ( rule over the earth, to have authority over the earth and everything in it ?
Do we not ? have the authority that Jesus gave back to us ? do we not walk in his authority ?

Those who mock this, and do not believe, ohh ye oh little faith, because you do not believe the bible.
Since we are his ( Christ's children, his beloved ones ) are we not to also rule and rein here also on Earth and take dominiain over it ?

To speak a command, means, to speak with authority that GOD has given to you.
Are you saying ? that we are not to speak blessings to people, or rather would you have us curse people ?
Ohh ye of little faith.....

423 posted on 03/01/2010 7:01:45 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: terycarl
" Catholics were the only Christian group 2,000 years ago and Christ was very pleased with us......still is!!!! "

If Christ is pleased with you, and you say the father is pleased, are you not winning souls ( the great commission ) to Christ ? and not the Catholic church.
Your good deeds wont' save you, your perceived holiness and self righteousness won't save you, the Catholic church or any organization won't say you,
It is GOD's power to save men in only one name, OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST !
Nothing but the blood of Jesus Christ and his atoning work on the cross will save you....
It does not matter how many times you go to church, because there are lost souls even in the Church, all your giving to the poor won't save you, giving tithes won't save you, keeping the 10 commandments won't save you...
ONLY JESUS CHRIST SAVES !!!
424 posted on 03/01/2010 7:07:16 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: American Constitutionalist

You cannot command God to do anything. He is not your servant.


425 posted on 03/01/2010 7:10:20 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: streetpreacher
" It was an inane analogy to the working of the Holy Spirit with an old Ralph Macchio flick that these hyper-charismatics all too often employ "

The point I was making was ?
We do not always see, what GOD is doing in our lives....
Perhaps ? I should have use the analogy of refining GOLD ? or a butterfly ?
Besides ? who ? ordained you to speak with authority of GOD's word ? did you just get up one day and thought that you would go to bible collage ?
By who's authority do you speak when you preach ?
Do you pray in public for people to see who spiritual you are ? how " HOLY " you are ? because, if you do STREET PREACHER , that is you only reward.
Do you say you give tithes to GOD and broad cast is to the public to let them know how " HOLY " you are ? how " spiritual you are ?
Yeah, what a name, street preacher, maybe you choose to be a street preacher because you wanted people to see you, and not CHRIST and HIM CRICIFIED !!
When you do preach ? who's gospel ? Christ's or yours in your own vain imagination ?

You white washed sepulchre .... pretending to be spiritual, but, still corrupt inside...
Pretending to be Godly and Holy, but, deny GOD's own power..
426 posted on 03/01/2010 7:19:54 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: skeptoid
" Now, about "trusting in his afflictions" . . . . . . ? "
Did not the bible say ? that we will have trials ? to perfect us ? to help us grow ? to purge us ?
Does not God's word tell us not to be surprised of our trials ? because it is building our faith, GOD is trying to promote patients in us with our trials...
Does not the bible tell us that GOD chastises us ? as a loving father ?
Did not JOB say " though he slay me, yet will I trust him " ?
427 posted on 03/01/2010 7:23:40 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: philetus
" Satan is the king of this world. "

That is so for those who are lost or reject Christ.
Adam and Eve was commanded by GOD to rule and rein on Earth with authority, to take Dominion of it.
When Adam and Eve sinned, the enemy took away that authority.
But, Jesus Christ stripped him of that authority and gave it back to his people.
428 posted on 03/01/2010 7:28:40 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: streetpreacher
" Pray for Copeland. He may need it "

Yeah, thanks for the advise, but, aren't you also suppose to pray for him also ?
I don't listen to him that much, I don't even know why you bothered to bring up his name....
Oh, now I get it, " THOSE WORD OF FAITH PEOPLE " yes, you sure have a chip on your shoulder about that...
I don't consider to title my self with that term, but, then again, those with out faith, CAN NOT PLEASE GOD, for it is impossible to please GOD those who do not have faith, prove that other wise, look in the book, GOD's word the B I B L E , unless you looking in your OWN bible..
429 posted on 03/01/2010 7:34:29 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: AppyPappy
Jesus said " what so ever you bind on earth, so shall it be bound in heaven, and what so ever you loosen ( to break bondages ) on earth, so shall it be loosen in heaven.
To command, means to speak with authority, the authority that Jesus Christ gives to all his people.
430 posted on 03/01/2010 7:40:49 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: pissant

Well, like, a thousand years is one day, so rapture should be any “day” now. :-)


431 posted on 03/01/2010 7:42:28 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: AppyPappy
" We could start with Romans when Luke tells us to be subject to the authorities in response to Christians supporting rebellion "

Your right, that's correct, if it is a legitimate government.

432 posted on 03/01/2010 7:46:32 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Anyone who looks at earthquakes as a major sign of Christ’s rapture of the church will be disappointed. The signs mentioned in Matthew 24 should be observed at the same time other prophecies are being fulfilled.

Attention should be focused on Israel. One of the greatest signs will the Nation of Israel’s movement to build the third Temple. Along with that there will be a war with all Israel’s neighbors... with destruction of Damascus - Is. 17, Amos 1.


433 posted on 03/01/2010 7:54:09 AM PST by Right Ahead
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To: American Constitutionalist

“if it is a legitimate government.”

Rome was a legitimate government?


434 posted on 03/01/2010 8:23:12 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: American Constitutionalist

He does not give you the authority to order Him around.

Also, He was speaking specifically to His disciples in that Scripture. We are called to obedience, not to leadership. There is only one Head.


435 posted on 03/01/2010 8:24:49 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: American Constitutionalist
" Now, about "trusting in his afflictions" . . . . . . ? " 
Did not the bible say ? that we will have trials ? to perfect us ? to help us grow ? to purge us ? 
Does not God's word tell us not to be surprised of our trials ? because it is building our faith, GOD is trying to promote patients in us with our trials...
Does not the bible tell us that GOD chastises us ? as a loving father ? 
Did not JOB say " though he slay me, yet will I trust him " ?

So the afflictions are His (God's) afflictions.
Does He cause the afflictions?
What is being purged from us?
....to promote patients in us ...... You must mean 'patience'.
Your questions seem to be rhetorical, but I'd sure like to hear chapter and verse from you.

436 posted on 03/01/2010 9:22:04 AM PST by skeptoid (Sarcasm is my middle name and I'm proud of it.)
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To: ru4liberty
Thanks for seeking clarification. It was my attempt to illustrate that a word's use in literature doesn't necessarily provide its legitimacy in polite discourse. It may.. but the argument is impotent.

I have no problem with the word "mocker" by the way.


437 posted on 03/01/2010 11:41:06 AM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: Right Ahead
The signs mentioned in Matthew 24 should be observed at the same time other prophecies are being fulfilled.

Thank you! Exactly what I've been saying!

Attention should be focused on Israel. One of the greatest signs will the Nation of Israel’s movement to build the third Temple. Along with that there will be a war with all Israel’s neighbors... with destruction of Damascus - Is. 17, Amos 1.

Precisely. It's all about Israel and from the looks of things, it appears as though the Psalm 83 prophecy may very well be fulfilled in the near future and that war may just result in the fulfillment of Isaiah 17.

Some are even suggesting that that war may happen by June. We'll see.

438 posted on 03/01/2010 12:54:44 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: AppyPappy
You need to post the exact Scriptures because first of all I have no idea what you're talking about and second, what you posted has absolutely nothing to do with the Return of Christ or the supposed "end time is now" mindset that was rebuked by Paul. Post the Scriptures you're attempting to refer to

The end has been coming since the 1st century. We aren’t even close to the end.

And, yet again, a fulfillment of 2 Peter 3:3,4. If the facts in post 417 don't cause you to see the light, nothing will. You yourself are a fulfillment of prophecy.

Revelation seems to imply that the rapture will come as a complete surprise.

Not credible until the exact Scripture is posted.

That means very few people will know anything about the Bible. That’s not true to.day

The fact that there is the amount of outright denial of a huge chunk of Scripture right on this thread that there is proves that statement is a total joke. The Biblical ignorance just in this nation is absolutely unbelievable. If people knew the Bible, there wouldn't be the incredible Scriptural illiteracy that there is right here on this thread. Then there's the mind-boggling arrogance of fallen man declaring that the prophecies in the Word of God are false.

People in this day and age know the Bible? That's the funniest thing I've heard in ages.

439 posted on 03/01/2010 1:13:05 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: DungeonMaster

So glad to know it! God bless you!


440 posted on 03/01/2010 5:37:29 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

LOL - thank you!


441 posted on 03/01/2010 5:39:10 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: American Constitutionalist

Yes indeed!


442 posted on 03/01/2010 5:41:26 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: American Constitutionalist

Amen!


443 posted on 03/01/2010 6:28:06 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: GiovannaNicoletta; left that other site; kingattax

Awesome post - #117! Thank you!


444 posted on 03/01/2010 6:30:39 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: skeptoid

Where are you, A. C.??


445 posted on 03/01/2010 11:53:30 PM PST by skeptoid (Sarcasm is my middle name and I'm proud of it.)
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To: skeptoid
" Your questions seem to be rhetorical, but I'd sure like to hear chapter and verse from you. "

Yes, I agree with you on that, my mistake, I should have put chapters and verse numbers with that, yes, I own up to my mistake, but, check it out for yourself, it's there.... I should not have the need to tell you those things..

446 posted on 03/02/2010 2:01:03 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: AppyPappy
" He does not give you the authority to order Him around. "

Appy ? I know that, of course not !
we don't DEMAND God on anything.
Demanding is a whole lot different than commanding ( CO dependent on the LORD, his authority, that's why the ( CO ) is at the beginning, you don't operate in your own authority ) with his authority that he gave us as our birth right as Christians.
Demanding GOD is a whole lot different then asking him, or following in his God given authority that he gave to Christians, and for that point,

to Man, Adam and Eve, until it was stolen from them.
God commanded Adam and Eve, gave them legal authority to rule over the world, over everything in it, even the enemy.
God commanded them, ( YES, it's GOD's COMMANDMENT , before the fall of man ) to take Dominion over the whole Earth...
Command, is speaking with GOD's legal authority that is our legal birth right that he gave back to us when Christ was risen from the dead.
Even if you don't say that word, " command " when you say, in the name of the LORD Jesus Christ, be blessed, it's still a command, recognizing your birth right, your place in Christ.
Didn't Issac command the blessings onto his son Jacob ?
Issac had ( as his father ) legal authority to bless his son Jacob.
The world does not want you to know it, that's why many Christians are defeated... like door mats, letting the enemy tell us what to do, letting the enemy to walk all over us
The enemy is worried that, the day you recognize WHO you are in Jesus Christ, he will be defeated....
Is it not right, that we should bless others ? what is wrong with blessing others when GOD has given us the authority and legal right to do so ?
Does not a King's general, or officer act and operate on the king's authority that the king gave him ?
yes or no ?

447 posted on 03/02/2010 2:32:36 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: skeptoid

I’m right here, why do you ask ?


448 posted on 03/02/2010 2:37:10 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: American Constitutionalist
" Your questions seem to be rhetorical, but I'd sure like to hear chapter and verse from you. " Yes, I agree with you on that, my mistake, I should have put chapters and verse numbers with that, yes, I own up to my mistake, but, check it out for yourself, it's there.... I should not have the need to tell you those things..


If you do not cite chapter and verse, . . . ...
. . . . .your'e busted.

449 posted on 03/02/2010 8:59:46 AM PST by skeptoid (Rent my tagline space)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Precisely. It's all about Israel and from the looks of things, it appears as though the Psalm 83 prophecy may very well be fulfilled in the near future and that war may just result in the fulfillment of Isaiah 17.

Some are even suggesting that that war may happen by June. We'll see.


Can we assume you meant June 2011? With all the previous wars and "international disputes" Israel has been involved in, how will we know this is "the one?"
450 posted on 06/02/2010 9:54:08 AM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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