Orange spot in the middle are the apartments, the alphabetized spots are 7 Elevens.
Posted on 03/30/2012 12:41:49 PM PDT by kristinn
I don't know what it means, but this strikes me as odd. From an interview with the parents of slain teenager Trayvon Martin by the National Newspaper Publishers Association (NNPA):
Martin, Trayvon’s mother, Sybrina Fulton; Benjamin Crump, the family lawyer; Al Sharpton and former New York Gov. David Patterson participated in an exclusive 1-hour telephone conference call last Thursday with more than three dozen publishers from the National Newspaper Publishers Association (NNPA).
Martin told publishers how he learned that his son had been killed.
“I had been out to dinner. When we got back between 10:15 and 10:45, he wasn’t at home. The night before, he had been to the movies with my nephew, who had recently moved up to the Orlando area from Miami. Every time Trayvon would come up here, they would find something to do, usually they would go to dinner. My nephew is 20 years old, a very responsible young man. So there was not panic at that moment that he was not home. I made several attempts to call his cell phone and it was going straight to voicemail. I called my nephew’s cell phone and it was going straight to voicemail. So at that point, I figured they had been in the movies because they would always go to the movies.”
Tracy Martin and his girlfriend went to bed. But the next morning, the day Martin and his son had planned to return to Miami, he learned that Trayvon still wasn’t back in the house. Tracy called his nephew again, this time reaching him and learning that Trayvon wasn’t with him.
Today, CNN published comments from a Martin family attorney that seems to conflict with the account proffered by Tracy Martin:
During the 10-day suspension, Tracy Martin took his son with him to Sanford, about four hours away from Miami, while he visited his fiancée because neither he nor Fulton wanted their son to stay in his hometown where he could enjoy his friends, said Horton, who has been in close contact with Martin's father.
"He wasn't just suspended from school and up at Sanford kicking it and having a good time," said Horton. Martin had only been to Sanford a handful of times.
His fateful walk to the convenience store for a bag of Skittles and an iced tea on the evening of February 26 happened only because the teenager pleaded to leave the apartment, said Horton.
"The only reason he got a chance to go to the store is because he begged his dad to go," he said. At the time, his father and his fiancée had gone out to dinner and to watch a basketball game, leaving Martin at the townhouse, according to Martin family spokesman Ryan Julison.
While walking to the store, Martin was on the phone with his girlfriend, whom he had been talking to for over 6½ hours throughout the day, the family's attorney said, citing phone records. The girl, who did not want to be identified, said she told Martin to run, but he refused, the family attorney said.
What strikes me is the father made no mention of his son begging him to be allowed to go to the store in his interview with the NPAA. That would be crushing to a parent, if true. They would be guilt-ridden, thinking if only they had said no, he wouldn't have been out.
Instead, Tracy Martin says he was not very concerned about the whereabouts of his son until the next morning.
It strikes me as odd.
There are new video at the link above.
http://www.saynotodrugs.org.uk/Facts-about-Drugs
Ritalin Methylphenidate Information The Truth about Ritalin
Called “kiddie cocaine” when sold on the streets, prescription stimulants destroy young lives daily.
Street names for Ritalin: • Diet Coke • Rids • Kiddy cocaine • Skittles • R-Ball • Smarties • Vitamin R • Poor man’s cocaine
Ritalin is the common name for methylphenidate, classified by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) as a Schedule II narcotic — the same classification as cocaine, morphine and amphetamines. It is abused by teens for its stimulant effects.
Or take that short cut to quickly go back to the apartment.
Orange spot in the middle are the apartments, the alphabetized spots are 7 Elevens.
Great map!
Thank you very much.
The home that he was last seen at?
Very little MSM curiosity about this.
I haven’t seen a single mention.
The autopsy was more than a month ago, right?
Standard toxicology tests take at most 4 weeks.
A recently consumed pill or recent cocaine residue in the nose should have been apparent at the autopsy.
Come to think of it, have any autopsy results been disclosed at all?
I haven’t seen them.
Last Map Of The Retreat At Twin Lakes - Tom Maguire (JustOneMinute)
Basic Geography May Cut Against Zimmerman (Or Not - See UPDATE)
MapQuest, which locates a 7-Eleven at 1125 Rinehart Rd, Sanford FL
The second link above has a link to a map that shows the relative location of 1125 Rinehart Rd. and Retreat at Twin lakes.
7-Eleven at 1125 Rinehart Rd (click for map)
“Street names for Ritalin: • Diet Coke • Rids • Kiddy cocaine • Skittles • R-Ball • Smarties • Vitamin R • Poor man’s cocaine
Ritalin is the common name for methylphenidate, classified by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) as a Schedule II narcotic — the same classification as cocaine, morphine and amphetamines. It is abused by teens for its stimulant effects’”
OMG. Thank you. I had no idea.
“If it wasn’t for vigilant citizens, half of the crimes I investigated wouldn’t have ended in an arrest.”
I’m glad you said that. Our street belongs to a Neighborhood Watch. It’s officially posted as such and decals are in our windows. Anyone entering our neighborhood is warned in advance that we are vigilant. We all have rosters of phone numbers and names of our neighbors. Our Block Captains attend briefings at the police department. The information is passed on to us in the form of a newsletter and scheduled meetings. We have criminal activity announcements delivered to our computers weekly from EPPD. We all have motion lights and petitioned city council for more street lights. We take it all very seriously. We have to because intruders take their jobs seriously. We don’t pretend to be gung ho LE. We are willing partners. We have every age group on our beautiful street and we all stand ready to protect them from harm. I have no doubt our Block Captains would enlist the help of others in our neighborhood if a stranger, whose face and head were covered, were wandering through our street in the middle of the night. The police would be called. The police would instruct them to not follow and not engage, but our guys would still be vigilant, never expecting to be attacked from the rear. Any policy other than Stand Your Ground defeats the purpose of being able to carry. Making yourself the equal of your attacker is ridiculos IMHO.
WTC911 You have NFI of what I was commenting on and obviously you have no clue as to what really happened to Martin and Zimmerman. Wait till the investigation is finished.
Tracy Martin’s fiance’s home.
Here is an interesting thing I learned today, about the Skittles, and it being a drug reference. Who introduced the Skittles and tea into the story? It was the elder Martin's lawyer, a few days after the incident. It doesn't come from a police report. I do not believe Trayvon actually asked permission to leave, as he waited till his dad was gone before he left, but he may have asked earlier, and used the Skittles then.
But the interesting part is that it came from the lawyer, who got it from the father. And I don't think they would have added it to the story if they knew there was a drug connection to it. So they didn't understand the double meaning. Which leaves Trayvon using the reference with his dad as a cocky 17 year old, laughing at his square dad not understanding that his son is directly telling his dad he is going out to buy drugs.
If Trayvon Martin had been a white Conservative Republican, the MSM would have had a copy of the receipt plus the store video within 24 hours.
Instead, it's inch by inch toward the truth, with second tier bloggers and passionate Freepers leading the way.
My heart goes out to the parents, many parents, that painfully must get past denial and admit their good kind child has given in to the temptations of social pressures surrounding them. In my case it was his father (my X, who I left because of the substance abuse) that initially provided the “drug”. Thank God for AL-ANON and their knowledgeable support.
Any parent or grandparent out there do yourself a favor and know street terms, sign and symptoms of the drug culture.
Looking at a map, it seems like the nearest 7-11 is only one mile away. Still, it seems like a really long walk in the rain just to get Skittles and an ice tea. The story makes no sense. Trayvon making up some excuse to leave so he can do some drugs makes a lot more sense. And would be consistent with Zimmerman's comments on the phone call that Trayvon looked like he was on drugs. And the fact that Trayvon was on a ten-day suspension from school for drug activity.
* * * People assumed that Zimmerman is just too stupid and racist to know the difference between a guy on drugs, and a sweet innocent kid walking home with candy for his little brother, but maybe Zimmerman was right about that part. I'd love to find out what's in the toxicology report.
TOXICOLOGY report? I've gotten so caught up in the MSM hysteria - that I forgot there are man more facts to come...
What follows is mostly making observations and asking questions; no agenda here. I'd like a law enforcement perspective on what I'm seeing as an important difference between WTC911 and 101stAirborneVet, as well as Hulka’s comments as a concerned citizen.
I've seen law enforcement personnel here with the views of both WTC911 and 101stAirborneVet, and both sides have been quite adamant in their views. I'm wondering if perhaps this arises from a difference in training and difference in philosophy of community engagement?
In general, older officers from major urban areas I've known tend to say, “leave it to the professionals,” as WTC911 is saying, while younger officers in major cities with an emphasis on “community policing,” as well as most officers from rural areas, have taken the approach of 101stAirborneVet of valuing and actively seeking community involvement in both crime-solving and crime-stopping.
I can certainly see pros and cons to both approaches, but in an era of growing social breakdown and declining police budgets, I don't see any realistic alternative to relying on the aid of people who don't wear badges, even if they end up being “wannabes” who cause problems. That's a huge change from what I was seeing thirty years ago with police publicly saying “Don't be a dead hero, call 911” and quietly complaining about “vigilantes” and “wannabes.”
For whatever it's worth, we see a lot of that on Free Republic as well — think of the comments by people who seem to enjoy saying “when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.” We all know the truth of that statement in some situations; I'm talking not about the people who admit undeniable facts, but rather the people who seem to relish their role as people who could potentially step in to blow away the bad guy.
If the current trends toward social breakdown continue, I see no long-term solutions except a massive increase in police budgets, and that's not going to happen.
157 posted on Sat Mar 31 2012 11:25:53 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by wtc911: “Exactly what training and official experience does Zimmerman have that gives him the ability to determine “suspicious” behavior or that somebody is “up to something”? How did he describe these in the tape? Did he say Martin was looking through windows? Or into cars? Or trying door handles? No, he didn't. Most of us who do have LE experience have encountered wannabees like zimmerman. My first impression of him was as a guy who sees indians behind every tree. I haven't read anything to change that impression. Usually hyper-vigilance comes from an innate fear or is a symptom of PTSD. And, I did not “attack” you -— it was a caution about your projection.”
158 posted on Sat Mar 31 2012 11:31:11 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by 101stAirborneVet: “Speak for yourself, buddy. I spent 20 years in law enforcement, most of that in a major city. If it wasn't for vigilant citizens, half of the crimes I investigated wouldn't have ended in an arrest.”
159 posted on Sat Mar 31 2012 11:33:48 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by Hulka: “You need “training” to be able to determine suspicious behavior? Are you serious? Good Lord.”
Not ignoring you. Will be back soon.
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