EDITORIAL: The Civil War of 2016: U.S. military officers are told to plan to fight Americans

The Washington Times ^ | August 8, 2012 | Editorial

[EveningStar]

Imagine Tea Party extremists seizing control of a South Carolina town and the Army being sent in to crush the rebellion. This farcical vision is now part of the discussion in professional military circles.

At issue is an article in the respected Small Wars Journal titled “Full Spectrum Operations in the Homeland: A ‘Vision’ of the Future.”

[Hokestuk]

Huge point, you are saying the war could be won.
The leftist socialists to help usher in the 82 United States of Amerixico may envision a slaughter of the “dangerous” Tea Partiers, to also take their property and redistribute it. But they might have another thing coming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RRoCkncvYo&info=JudasPriest_YouGotAnotherThingComing

[lag along]

The writers political leanings were showing early. This “The Great Recession of the early twenty-first century lasts far longer than anyone anticipated. After a change in control of the White House and Congress in 2012, the governing party cuts off all funding that had been dedicated to boosting the economy or toward relief.”

It must be inferred that should the republicans win in November this will be the result.

[grey_whiskers]

I'm all in for this *PING* list ; nully, consider yourself on double-secret probation for being reported to the MOD if you don't put me on the list ASAP.

Cheers!

[null and void]

No way I could say no to that!

[DesertRhino]

Very true, the money and financial component cannot be overestimated. It’s one thing when one house or compund is surrounded and dealt with. Its totally another to conduct operations against a widespread movement in a city or region.

[PalmettoMason]

bfl.

[grey_whiskers]

To the Left, this very action will be characterized as “insurrection”....or a “civil rights violation”...or “oppression”..and it WILL ignite the next Civil War....which will be fought over the RIGHT to continue to enslave the productive and their offspring through Constitutional circumvention, to the illusions/delusions of Progressivism/Leftism.

Obama mistakenly believes he can foment a Communist revolution in the United States. See here.

In his wet dream he thinks his ilk can seed/foment gangs of roving militant thugs akin to the Red Guards as did Mao but put the blame for their atrocities on "right-wingers" and what he has not yet dared to call "counter-revolutionaries"; see here.

NO cheers, unfortunately.

[centurion316]

A professor at the Joint Forces Staff College was relieved of duty

Benson is a contractor so your analogy is weak. But, your point is valid. What he has done will meet with great approval amongst the Obama crowd.

[centurion316]

A professor at the Joint Forces Staff College was relieved of duty

Benson is a contractor so your analogy is weak. But, your point is valid. What he has done will meet with great approval amongst the Obama crowd.

[RatRipper]

You would be a fool to stare down the barrel of a military force. But a guerilla force is difficult to deal with, and the military knows it. We have more guns in this country than the Afghans do.

[Stonewall Jackson]

I've never been able to locate a book devoted to the subject. There are lots of books that mention the breakup, but most offer few details.

Some of the best works on the subject are Shelby Foote's classic Civil War series and James McPherson's also classic Battle Cry of Freedom. Grant's autobiography delves into the subject a bit as do books like Lee's Lieutenants and South of Appomattox. There is information to be found in numerous biographies and autobiographies, but since these works focus on a specific individual, they are often skewed in their objectivity.

[CodeToad]

Thanks!

[DesertRhino]

I hear there are some people who are SO treacherous, they will warmly wave at the arriving troops, even though they are actually supporters of the guerilla force!

[ChildOfThe60s]

In Chile those resisting Allende caused havoc by very simple means, for example dumping tacks and nails on the roads leading into and out of the cities.

Good point.

Wars and domestic crisis's like we are discussing often occur when one side (our fascist lords) misjudge their enemies and push too hard. They don't necessarily mean to ignite a conflict, but underestimate the tolerance limits of their opponent.

Also, many here make cogent arguments as to why a military crackdown in the US would be an un-winnable disaster for DC. The problem is that the wannabe despots in DC are ignorant, full of hubris and can't comprehend of such a move blowing up in their faces. Which is just the thinking process that starts the whole scenario going.

The Soviets were high and mighty and couldn't conceive of the $hitstorm they were jumping into in Afghanistan. And they paid for it big time, in blood and money. But once started, they couldn't back out. They could only throw more bodies and resources at a black hole.

I'm of the opinion that the lefties in DC are ignorant and stubborn enough to light the fire and then refuse to back out, regardless of the destruction that would ensue.

[ChildOfThe60s]

but underestimate the tolerance limits of their opponent.

Oops, should have said *overestimate*

[EveningStar]

Dammit! Either add me or consider yourself on report to the Admin!

[centurion316]

I say again, Benson is not the problem. The problem are the political hacks in the current regime who are encouraging this type of discussion and are trying to shape it in a purely partisan political direction. My friend Benson is naive in this arena, his coauthor probably knows exactly what she is doing. The guys encouraging this sort of stuff operate in an entirely different sphere and its core is at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

[Lurker]

I am more than willing to be educated. And don’t think for a minute that I’m not scared to my core by the monsters in charge of our government.

[dragonblustar]

This country is toast. Only 22% of the people bothered to vote in the WA state elections yesterday even though the ballots are mailed home. Obama gives stand down orders for the occuturds but raises the flag against conservative tea partiers.

The problem with the right is that we are too passive. So passive that we are barely breathing. If the right actually stood firm, slap down liberalism, we wouldn’t have to worry about the threat from the government.

[af_vet_rr]

They could rule the country by force in principle. The reality could be very different. What size standing army would be needed to successfully stamp out guerrilla warfare in a county this large and diverse *if* (a significant if, I'll grant you) there were sufficient numbers in resistance?

Given the problems we had in Afghanistan and Iraq, we would need a military dozens of times larger.

And don't forget that if the US military were magically turned into a group of thugs who hated America and the Constituation, and started acting all Gestapo here in the states, plenty of countries overseas would stir things up in Africa, parts of Asia, the Middle East, and maybe even closer to home in the Americas, further stretching the military. Don't think for one instant that certain groups in the Middle East would not attempt to bring the Caliphate back by violence, and don't think for one instant the drug lords in Mexico, Central and South America wouldn't take advantage of things. And we can't leave out the Chinese and Russians.

That is why Big Brother is taking control incrementally. A sudden move would invoke chaos.

They don't need the military for this kind of stuff, and they run a big risk of large parts of the military refusing to follow such orders.

You know why they don't need the military? Because we are in a Brave New World. The majority of people in this country care more about who won that American Idols crap on Fox or that Dancing with Celebrities on ABC or what team won what game last night than they do about politics.

We are already on that path to government control, and both parties fully support it. It was a Republican White House with the backing of both parties in Congress that got increased federal control over the schools with No Child Left Behind. It was a Republican White House with the backing of both parties in Congress that got the PATRIOT Act pushed through (and many in Congress didn't bother reading it). The GOP is supposed to be the party that is against Big Government, but it fully embraced it under George W. Bush, and the GOP gave us Big Government candidates with McCain and now Romney. I could go on and on, but the point is, we as Americans, as a whole, have continued to re-elect people from both parties to Congress that are creating the tools for government control, and we are signing off on Big Government presidential candidates like McCain and Romney.

This battle was lost, our own party screwed us over, and they did it out in the open with our consent.