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I can't think of a better example in which to criminalize serious scientific misconduct than the hack hypothesis of Global Warming. I say, take the whole stinking lot of Global Warming advocates, AlGore at the lead and dump them of on some isolated iceberg near the South Pole, with the proviso that only when the iceberg melts down to near nothingness will they be removed and rescued. If Global Warming is real then their isolation will be short-lived. Otherwise, they should make sure to bring along extra long-legged undies.
1 posted on 09/15/2014 1:13:19 PM PDT by lbryce
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Also from New Scientist: Most scientific papers are probably wrong, August 2005
2 posted on 09/15/2014 1:16:23 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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No, it’s not.

Otherwise we would find politically incorrect scientific research suppressed with the threat of criminal prosecution.

Eric Holder would be all too eager to prosecute anyone who dares question AGW. Or whether homosexuality is genetic trait vs a choice. Or whether fetus feels pain.


3 posted on 09/15/2014 1:18:21 PM PDT by MrNJ
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Speaking of childbirth, what about prosecuting the invalid “study” that led to higher numbers for caesarean sections due to hospitals not wanting to be sued....


5 posted on 09/15/2014 1:19:28 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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6 posted on 09/15/2014 1:20:36 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("If you want to test a man's character, give him power." -- Abraham Lincoln)
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Equally important is the fact that gov’t policy is based on that research. Everything from the Endangered Species List to EPA’s reaction to Global Warming “research” is predicated on this kind of research. That said, there’s a fine line to walk, however. If it is criminalized, one runs the risk of ending some research that might lead to major breakthroughs. On the other side is the pure crap that some put out under the guise of research, when it is little more than empirical How To Lie With Statistics meant to please the underwriters of the research so the researchers can get more funds. Perhaps a good place to start is to throw Al Gore in jail and see what happens.


8 posted on 09/15/2014 1:21:20 PM PDT by econjack (I'm not bossy...I just know what you should be doing.)
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We should be careful here. Or should we. Should we trust the government to decide which science is science and which is heresy? This is like trying to get congress to pass laws enforcing the enforcement of the constitution with criminal reprisals for deriliction of duty.

Anyway you look at it, you are inviting the source of the problem to go against it’s own instincts and natural tendency to change itself. It’s like trying to get big snakes to raise baby rats. A lot of snakes eat their own young. Same thing goes here.

We don’t want to invite anymore government oversight over anything the government has an interest. Today, unfortunately, our government is vested in EVERYTHING. They can no longer “help” fix anything for the citizenry.


9 posted on 09/15/2014 1:21:33 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Tagline deleted at the request of an offended FReeper.)
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Criminalize it and you’ll have grad students turning up dead.

Some of you know what I’m talking about.


11 posted on 09/15/2014 1:22:17 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Thank you for self-censoring.)
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You'd need to carefully define what constitutes serious scientific misconduct.
12 posted on 09/15/2014 1:23:28 PM PDT by DannyTN
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While the idea of criminalizing scientific misconduct sounds attractive and the Global Warming Crowd should be the first to face the judgment of the courts I would urge caution.

Here is why (in very few words.)

Science has been corrupted by the liberal politicians.
The liberal politicians more or less own the courts.
The liberal politicians absolutely own the Department of Justice
The Global Warming “Denialists” would be the first to see the inside of a jail.

13 posted on 09/15/2014 1:24:20 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (Remember Mississippi)
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From Amazon (emphasis added):

"In this illuminating book, the renowned theoretical physicist Lee Smolin argues that fundamental physics -- the search for the laws of nature -- losing its way. Ambitious ideas about extra dimensions, exotic particles, multiple universes, and strings have captured the public’s imagination -- and the imagination of experts. But these ideas have not been tested experimentally, and some, like string theory, seem to offer no possibility of being tested. Yet these speculations dominate the field, attracting the best talent and much of the funding and creating a climate in which emerging physicists are often penalized for pursuing other avenues. As Smolin points out, the situation threatens to impede the very progress of science. With clarity, passion, and authority, Smolin offers an unblinking assessment of the troubles that face modern physics -- and an encouraging view of where the search for the next big idea may lead."

Sound familiar?

14 posted on 09/15/2014 1:25:18 PM PDT by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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Better idea: let whoever funded the research sue to get their money back.


15 posted on 09/15/2014 1:27:15 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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This makes me very concerned, because the very first people who would be attacked with this would not be the real fraudsters, like the MMGW crowd, *but* those skeptical scientists who did not toe the MMGW line, and have already been threatened, and in some cases punished, for doubting.


16 posted on 09/15/2014 1:29:49 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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Or perhaps this fraud by the CDC?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/27/health/irpt-cdc-autism-vaccine-study/


18 posted on 09/15/2014 1:31:53 PM PDT by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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Instead, the “deniers” will be criminalized.


20 posted on 09/15/2014 1:35:18 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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Beware this slippery slope!

Criminal or even harsh civil procedural provisions can be used from both sides. Al Gore and his followers would not hesitate to imprison scientists who disagreed with them.

The way to uphold scientific standards of searching for the truth is to control the money and come down harshly on entire institutions that harbor even one fraudulent scientific investigator.

Justice in the military is often meted out to entire units and not individuals. If one member of a unit fails or violates the code, the entire unit is punished.

So it must be with centers of science; let one principle researcher be convicted of fraud and punish the entire center. Then watch how science center leaders climb all over every research project to save their own hides. The peer review process would once again become a serious endeavor, (my apologies to the thousands upon thousands of scientists and researchers who take their profession seriously and already act to uphold the highest scientific standards).


23 posted on 09/15/2014 1:39:46 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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Here’s what happens when you’re on the wrong side of Big Pharm so this suggestion may be ill-advised.

http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/the-vaccine-autism-cover-up-how-one-doctors-career-was-destroyed-for-telling-the-truth/


26 posted on 09/15/2014 1:44:07 PM PDT by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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Its time to stop criminalizing every disagreement.

How do you think the left would use this sort of law?

29 posted on 09/15/2014 1:51:14 PM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.)
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“I can’t think of a better example in which to criminalize serious scientific misconduct than the hack hypothesis of Global Warming. “

I’d say yes to this, but the problem is the thing that will be criminalized is dissent with the “accepted, settled, consensus” science. It will be like hate speech in, say, Canada, where you can be prosecuted for speaking the truth about Islam, abortion, race relations, etc. (The problem with ANY law is it will immediately be coopted by the Left.)


31 posted on 09/15/2014 1:55:44 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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I really wonder, on occasion, how the scientific community came to understand the role of anti-depressants and suicidal thoughts. The only way they could understand it is if they were conducting experiments and bumped into those results. Were those experiments conducted honestly and legally and ethically?

Somehow they had to be able to make adjustments in the medication.

Same goes for MRI's. It occurs to me that tests needed to be conducted which would allow them to know how to refine the dials.

Did they use any of the studies done with electro-shock therapy? Were those experiments conducted honestly and legally and ethically?

How many of those studies included Nazi doctor input?

These are just a few of the questions floating around in my head right now.

32 posted on 09/15/2014 1:56:37 PM PDT by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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Been there. Done that. Didn't wok so well.............

33 posted on 09/15/2014 1:58:30 PM PDT by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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