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Special Report U.S. military and civilians are increasingly divided
The Los Angeles Times ^ | May 23, 2015 | David Zucchino and David S. Cloud

Posted on 05/24/2015 10:39:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Jovano Graves' parents begged him not to join the Army right out of high school in 2003, when U.S. troops were fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan..

But their son refused his parents' pleas to try college. He followed them both into the Army instead.

Last June, 11 years later, Staff Sgt. Jovano Graves returned home from Afghanistan, joining his mother, Chief Warrant Officer 4 Sonia Graves-Rivers, for duty here at Ft. Bragg.

"My family, going way, way back, has always felt so proud to be Americans," said Graves-Rivers, who comes from a family in which military service spans six generations, starting with her great-great-grandfather, Pfc. Marion Peeples, who served in a segregated black unit during World War I.

Her father, Cpl. Harvey Lee Peeples, fought in the Vietnam War. Her uncle, Henry Jones, was career Air Force. Another uncle, Sgt. 1st Class Robert Graves, spent 22 years in the Army. Her sister, Janice, served 24 years....

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: army; military
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To: HiTech RedNeck

At 5am, it’s the best I got.


101 posted on 05/25/2015 2:12:24 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

What is Google?


102 posted on 05/25/2015 2:14:11 AM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: Salamander

You’re getting wEiRd


103 posted on 05/25/2015 2:14:45 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: sickoflibs

Use the Microsoft Bing search engine to search for Google


104 posted on 05/25/2015 2:15:15 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You know google is the best...


105 posted on 05/25/2015 2:17:36 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
RE:”Use the Microsoft Bing search engine to search for Google”

What is bing?

106 posted on 05/25/2015 2:18:56 AM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: sickoflibs

You might use Yahoo! to locate that.


107 posted on 05/25/2015 2:19:46 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Salamander

One day decades ago I was coming into the kitchen and my little boy was standing in front of an island counter that had an outlet on the side - right at eye level.

In his small hands he had what looked like a bobby pin spread out just wide enough to contact the slots in the receptacle. As I yelled to stop him, his hand pushed forward and “blam, blooey, sparks and fireworks”......

He dropped it and started bawling. On his forefinger and thumb was the newly branded outline of where he held the bobby pin. I picked him up and hugged him and said “Bet you won’t do that again, will ya?”......sniffling, he said “nuh uh”.


108 posted on 05/25/2015 2:19:51 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: HiTech RedNeck
RE:”You might use Yahoo! to locate that”

Yahoo??

Is that a cowboy site?

109 posted on 05/25/2015 2:24:53 AM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: Gaffer

110 can be so much fun...

Got burned when I was 8 fiddling with shortwave, and got burned again 10 years later breezing past exposed lines wearing a metal watchband.

Done lots of wiring, industrial, ... good to be careful...


110 posted on 05/25/2015 2:34:56 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
That's what happens when there is no draft. A rational democracy without the lead weight on its head of Political Correctness would have a universal male draft of perhaps 6 months duration when males become an age of 16 to 18 or on graduation from high school before age 19 with exemptions only for sound medical reasons. The draft would be intensive infantry training with no duty station beyond.
Actual enlistment would then not be allowed for 6 months after the training draft period. That makes for a volunteer force and a population of men trained in the rudiments and ready for the specialties and accustomed to military life. There would be no lack of volunteers when duty calls. Much of the historical resistance to the draft was from fear of disruption of life and fear of military life and, of course, the "unfairness" of all sorts of exemptions, especially academic. This system would obviate both.
111 posted on 05/25/2015 2:55:09 AM PDT by arthurus (It's true!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Apparently the military needs a softer image and they need to be demilitarized or some crap like that.


112 posted on 05/25/2015 3:28:51 AM PDT by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: sickoflibs

Well, don’t trust me then.


113 posted on 05/25/2015 4:20:38 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: shibumi

retard


114 posted on 05/25/2015 4:21:24 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: sickoflibs
Your profile page indicates you think of yourself as a "Right Leaning Freedom Lover"

Do you see the flaw in your statement or do you libertarians also believe in magic?

115 posted on 05/25/2015 4:37:27 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: onyx

I’m not certain, but I suspect the poster could be a hijack. While I do not always agree with sickoflibs, I do not recall them being like this - including not recognizing iconic acronyms like IBTZ, and using odd ones on their part like LOLO.

That or sickoflibs is tanked.


116 posted on 05/25/2015 5:21:22 AM PDT by MortMan (All those in favor of gun control raise both hands!)
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To: sickoflibs
"I don’t trust anyone who was in the military."

I have watched a lot of our fellow Freepers answer this somewhat shallow and dishonorable comment by you but I waited until now to answer you. Some of your responders excused your Memorial Day comment as just an excess of alcohol but as they say, "in vino veritas". I suspect you mean every bit of what you said - I've seen those sentiments too many times over the years not to believe you.

Our military members are unique in the world in that they are some of the finest young members of our community and they join primarily out of feelings of patriotism and a sense of duty. I know that because I have spent nearly a half century with them, lived with them, fought with them, commanded them, supported them. They are the finest young people our nation can produce and those of you who decided to bypass military service, for whatever your reasons, will have to deal with that.

Military service is tough duty. Most of those young people are very newly out of high school and when some of them enter the kill-or-be-killed arena of combat, they are overseas and maybe out of their home town for the first time in their lives. There is a young excitement at the newness of their environment and the understood risks which is later tempered for them with entirely new feelings once they see and survive their first contact with the enemy. Then our young people see death around them, buddies and acquaintances who were talking to them or playing cards or bragging about something a few minutes before and now that young man is dead, looking more like a pile of bloody rags than a person. They will see the effects of bullets and fragmentation and blast first hand on their wounded and they will understand fully the dangers that face them and the losses yet to come.

These young men (and some young women) will continue, anyway. They will become harder in some private place and they will have the first of lifetimes of nightmares but they will keep going. The grind of day-to-day lethal danger will wear and age them and the luckiest will go home later without a scratch.

Some will be wounded. To be wounded is to have the shock of having part of your body suddenly and horribly torn away and then facing the very real possibility that your young life is over so soon. To be wounded is private and horribly and unimaginably painful and yet most of the wounded stay silent, primarily to avoid scaring their buddies nearby. To be wounded means the fast and frightening flight on a medical evacuation helicopter, triage and entry into surgery and then the long, hard way back to whatever you will end up being after the recovery.

For the parents and families of these military members, it is the constant and unremitting fear that they will lose their loved one at any time. If their loved one is wounded, it is the long and difficult path of supporting that loved one through treatments, and pain and indifference. We talk a good game of supporting our troops but when push comes to shove, unless we know one of them personally, our lives just go on, one way or another. If that family loses a family member, that sorrow is immeasurable as that little boy, that young prince in your life is gone, replaced by a flag draped box and then a lump in the ground. Once the obligatory ceremonies are over, almost as soon as the last note of taps is played, it's over and the suffering and sense of loss becomes yours alone, for the rest of your life.

It's one thing to claim to be a patriot and it's entirely another to take up the duty of fighting for your country. Many of you claim some huge portion of patriotism but when the real inconveniences and dangers of military service faced you, you had "better things to do". Patriotism is only real when you are willing to fight and die for your country and your sacred honor.

Our young people, in smaller proportions than ever before, continue to serve us with the risk of their lives. Try really hard to at least pretend to honor them on this day.

117 posted on 05/25/2015 5:33:36 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; doorgunner69

My response to sickoflibs at Post 117..

Semper Fi,

Chainmail
Bravo Battery 1/11 and Golf Company 2/1 1966-7 - then 30 years more afterward.


118 posted on 05/25/2015 5:40:50 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: sickoflibs
I don’t trust anyone who was in the military.

I think you might have lost your sarcasm tag

119 posted on 05/25/2015 5:48:00 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Ted Cruz for President ... all others are cheap imitations)
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To: Jet Jaguar

I guess some people are finding this amusing, and the poster a funny guy, but I do not. Hope he/she is banned.


120 posted on 05/25/2015 5:58:16 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (As we say in the Air Force, "You know you're over the target when you start getting flak!")
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