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Discovering Columbus: Villain or Not?
http://darrickdean.com/2015/10/09/columbus-legacy/ ^

Posted on 10/12/2015 6:44:28 AM PDT by truthfinder9

Last year I asked, Should Columbus be Celebrated? It is a controversial question, since that day in 1492 meant the eventual end of many cultures in the Western Hemisphere. The other side of the sword is that new cultures arose from those escaping the Old World. In all likelihood, using Columbus as the poster child for all that did go wrong is not fair.

One has to dig deep into many studies of the man to even begin to unravel his mind. He was secretive, put himself in the middle of politics and was the target of his enemies. All of this, and the distance of time, have made any study of the explorer a difficult one.

As Carol Delaney argues in Columbus and the Quest for Jerusalem, acquiring wealth for the Spanish crown was not his primary goal. He sought allies and money for one more Crusade to the Holy Lands. Religious motivation has been suggested before, but by writers couching everything in esoteric conspiracies. It has also been suggested he knew the New World existed. As plausible as that is, most of what we know seems to point elsewhere. Beyond that:

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1 posted on 10/12/2015 6:44:28 AM PDT by truthfinder9
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To: truthfinder9

>>Last year I asked, Should Columbus be Celebrated? It is a controversial question, since that day in 1492 meant the eventual end of many cultures in the Western Hemisphere.

Stone Age cultures, most of which were still hunter-gatherers. When did liberals abandon Darwinism?


2 posted on 10/12/2015 6:52:30 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: truthfinder9

He wasn’t a villain. He wasn’t the brightest bulb in the room. But he was no villain.


3 posted on 10/12/2015 6:53:34 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (I will not worship at the alter of Diversity.)
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“It is a controversial question, since that day in 1492 meant the eventual end of many cultures in the Western Hemisphere.”

There is scarcely a historical figure in world history that involved movements of people that did not mean the end of many cultures.

The conquering tribes in the Western Hemisphere not only ended cultures, they annihilated the people with them.

Political correctness reigns.


4 posted on 10/12/2015 6:55:50 AM PDT by odawg
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To: truthfinder9

I recommend The Colombia Affair by Steve Berry. The book is fiction; the history is not. Colombus, as he relates to the discovery of America, is as big a myth as Lincoln.


5 posted on 10/12/2015 6:55:56 AM PDT by LoneStar42 ('The future ain't what it used to be.' Thanks, Yogi.)
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To: Artemis Webb

Well, the liberals have decided he was a villain. So there yo have it. The liberals have spoken. We’re supposed to sit down and shut up.


6 posted on 10/12/2015 6:56:46 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: LoneStar42

Oops. Should be Columbus Affair.


7 posted on 10/12/2015 6:56:54 AM PDT by LoneStar42 ('The future ain't what it used to be.' Thanks, Yogi.)
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To: truthfinder9
Columbus embarked on a voyage not knowing where he was going, did not know where he was when he got there, and returned not knowing where he had been, and did it all on borrowed money.

Sounds like a democrat.

8 posted on 10/12/2015 6:57:11 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Cruz in 2016 - No Trump. No Jeb.)
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To: truthfinder9

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9 posted on 10/12/2015 6:57:34 AM PDT by sauropod (I am His and He is mine.)
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To: odawg

Good point.

The liberals paint a picture of peaceful Indian tribes, who were very careful about their carbon footprints, inhabiting the Americas until the Europeans came and spoiled this land.

In reality, those tribes were often at war with each other, and were not stewards of the land which would pass muster with the Sierra Club standards.


10 posted on 10/12/2015 6:58:43 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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In fourteen hundred ninety-two
Columbus sailed the ocean blue.

He had three ships and left from Spain;
He sailed through sunshine, wind and rain.

He sailed by night; he sailed by day;
He used the stars to find his way.

A compass also helped him know
How to find the way to go.

Ninety sailors were on board;
Some men worked while others snored.

Then the workers went to sleep;
And others watched the ocean deep.

Day after day they looked for land;
They dreamed of trees and rocks and sand.

October 12 their dream came true,
You never saw a happier crew!

“Indians! Indians!” Columbus cried;
His heart was filled with joyful pride.

But “India” the land was not;
It was the Bahamas, and it was hot.

The Arakawa natives were very nice;
They gave the sailors food and spice.

Columbus sailed on to find some gold
To bring back home, as he’d been told.

He made the trip again and again,
Trading gold to bring to Spain.

The first American? No, not quite.
But Columbus was brave, and he was bright.


11 posted on 10/12/2015 6:59:28 AM PDT by Chickensoup (We lose our freedoms one surrender at a time)
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To: Bryanw92
When did liberals abandon Darwinism?
When it became politically expedient.
12 posted on 10/12/2015 6:59:40 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: truthfinder9
The biggest effect of Columbus was the massive exchange of people, plants and even diseases. Nothing had ever taken place like that before in history.

So, people can claim that others made it to North America before him and it probably did happen, but Columbus got the massive exchange going like no one else.

With diseases - Europe gave the natives smallpox and the natives gave the Europeans syphilis.

13 posted on 10/12/2015 7:00:42 AM PDT by Slyfox (Will no one rid us of this meddlesome president?)
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To: truthfinder9

Columbus wasn’t much a a villain but the Spanish he brought in and their culture at the time were villains. Remember that the Spanish were pretty much reviled by the rest of the world because of their approach to anyone not Spanish Catholic.

On the other hand, the Spanish didn’t do anything to any group of Indians than the individual tribes did to each other. The idea that Indian tribes all lived in harmony with each other is as big a load of crap as the idea that anywhere an Indian took a dump is sacred ground.

Migration and conquest is an enduring part of human history and there is no turning back. Tribal associations always lead to intertribal warfare and the eventual collapse of whatever civilization they have built. They need to move on.


14 posted on 10/12/2015 7:02:29 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: truthfinder9

Columbus was a trailblazer and a hero. We, the USA, would not be here if it wasn’t for his actions. That it lead to enlightenment or death for savages in the Americas is a result of actions by others later. Celebrate Columbus!


15 posted on 10/12/2015 7:03:20 AM PDT by Reno89519 (American Lives Matter! US Citizen, Veteran, Conservative, Republican. I vote. Trump 2016.)
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To: Bryanw92

That may not be the case at all, but we will never know as the fanatical Christian Missionaries destroyed everything they could - piles and piles of writings were burned (comparable to the burning of the Library of Alexandra), objects unfamiliar to them smashed or melted down, even one report that of a round glass object that showed moving pictures and definitely the work of the Devil!

Other than body armor, gunpowder, and horses, European culture in the late 15th century was recovering (from a century of invasion by the Islamic Varsity led by the Disciples of Mohammad and the black plague). It was very little advanced over anyone; even some (black) West Coast African cities were far in advance of the Europeans - the Portuguese traders even asked permission to live there - it was some much better than anything in Europe.


16 posted on 10/12/2015 7:08:59 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

My FiL likes to say that Indians had garbage dumps too. He is half Indian so I guess he would know.


17 posted on 10/12/2015 7:09:01 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Reno89519

The Faithful Navigator traversed the Atlantic Ocean and returned to his home port four times using only a compass and dead reckoning. The Nina and the Pinta could hardly be called “ships”. Also, Longitude was unknown at the time. We now have ships with GPS and all the modern navigation aides.......that sink without a trace. Columbus charted the way to the New World. A feat the Romans and the Greeks never imagined.


18 posted on 10/12/2015 7:12:15 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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He sounds like Farrakhan talking about how the original Egyptians were Black, had wings and flew around the Pyramids until the French shot them down.


19 posted on 10/12/2015 7:15:50 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: RJS1950

Cortez= 10-15 million natives butchered

Cortez was a piker. Pizarro= 25 million, at least


20 posted on 10/12/2015 7:18:38 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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