Donald Trump Retakes Lead in GOP Race; Ted Cruz Makes Gains: Poll (tied for 2nd place)

NBC News ^ | Nov 20 2015 | Allison Kopicki and John Lapinski

[Georgia Girl 2]

Its sad when you just can’t move on from denial. Trump is going to be the GOP nominee. So best to get yourself ready to vote for him in the general election. He’s going to be a great President. Yuge! :-)

[Luircin]

Since I have at least a partial background in economics, here’s how I’ve been determining my support for a candidate: in this equation.

A = EC

Where A is ‘agenda.’ Specifically, how much of a conservative agenda a candidate would be able to implement. It’s not a percentage measure; it only serves as comparison.

E is ‘energy.’ This is a measure of how much ability the candidate would have to ensure that his platform is adopted. This includes things like popular support, financial standing, ties to donors (or lack thereof) and most of all a willingness to bust heads in Washington and not just play get along.

C is ‘conservatism.’ Simply enough, how conservative the candidate’s positions are, and how much I trust that they will keep those positions once they’re in Washington.

I imagine that the values of e and c could be adjusted depending on how important one issue or the other is during an election. In 2016, border security and terrorism are very important issues, so C would be weighted in their favor, at least in my case.

I support Trump because my best estimate is E=.8 and C=.5, so A=.4. (Again, this is not percentage of the agenda, but just a matter of comparing candidates) Cruz, I think, would be E=.4 and C=.9 for A=.36. A good candidate for views, but he doesn’t have as much power, support, oomph, or sheer skull-breaking cussedness to get his agenda past the dopes, whores, and frauds in DC.

Therefore, of the two, Trump is the better of two good candidates in this election cycle. Both are good, but I think that Trump is the greater good. Not because he’s more conservative, but because he’ll have the clout and gumption to implement more conservatism than Cruz would be able to.

[hawaiianninja]

I agree, constitution does matter. But, keep in mind, Trump's liberal tendencies may have been born out of the necessity to do business in some of the most liberal states for the sake and good of his business. I don't hold Trump ill for having to deal with Liberals. Like it or not, that's a part of life that everyone has to unfortunately deal with, like dealing with two sides of our brain. Besides, I'm one who judges a man for the cumulation his good actions, not necessarily his bad. If I judged Ronald Reagan solely for his past mistakes, I would have been like a good Rino and would not have supported him. If I had your liberal mindset about a person's past, I would be like any other liberal and trash our founding fathers for having slaves. I try to judge a man for the content of their character. Trump has shown he as good character.

Donald Trump is of the same elk as Obama? Are you kidding me!? If anything, he is the Anti-Obama. He represents everything that is good about our nation: A proud successful person who creates opportunities for people to be successful in their own right; someone who doubles down and fights back when attacked; someone with that good ol' American can-do spirit! He has shown he can make great companies and be a man of his word. Frankly, I take him on his word that he wants to "Make America Great Again," because he has done good and has the ability to do good.

Also, this election is not about compromise. This is about our survival as a nation, which has been eroding away since the Clinton era, and is on an even faster track during 0's watch. I'm not compromising anything. I'm doing my part to pragmatically look out for our nation's survival, not for the "sake of winning" as Rinos would like to spout, but for the sake of our Republic.

Keep in mind, no one is born with conservative principles. It is something that we learn and practice through the blood, sweat and tears of our own honest-to-goodness daily living. You ought to know that. And who says Trump does not have conservative principles? Unlike any other candidate on the playing field, he's been consistent with his views on the economy for 20+ years. As great as Cruz is, IMHO, Trump is the only one who readily provides an opportunity to sway left-leaning young adult minds full of mush about conservative values and capitalism through name recognition alone. He has also been extremely, extremely, extremely, extremely good to our military.

Yeah. Constitution does matter. But what's a constitution without a country to uphold it? Or a Republic for which it stands? Or a border to surround it? Or a military to defend it? Trump may not be as near-perfect as Cruz; but if he and Cruz can team up together, that would be a hell of a dream team!

Feel free to stick to whatever mindset or opinion you may think you have. If we can survive the rest of this and next year without being attacked by ISIL/ISIS/IS during 0's dictatorship, the country won't turn around unless we have someone who can steer it in the right direction first, for the first 8 years (Trump). And then, someone who can continue that direction for another 8 years, so that no liberal/socialist/communist/community organizer can ever be voted as president again (Cruz)...if not ever, at least not for my grand-children's lifetime.

With all that said: Go Trump/Cruz 2016 or Cruz/Trump 2016!

[papertyger]

The Corker provisions will be absolutely necessary to fend off any legal assault on the new president when he cancelles the unconstitutional, and illegal Iran ‘deal.’

How?

As to the H1b nonsense, you are believing a lie that has been thoroughly disproven. Cruz has called for the suspension of all H1b visas and an investigation/ prosecution of those that have violated the law.

Where?

[editor-surveyor]

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The law was signed by the president.

Its provisions were not complied with by same president, thus the ‘deal’ is not a deal, and any compliance with the provisions thereof is unlawful.

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>> Where? <<

At least 1000 times right here on this forum. You’re obviously deliberately ignoring it. Trolling is what it is called.
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[papertyger]

The law was signed by the president. Its provisions were not complied with by same president, thus the ‘deal’ is not a deal, and any compliance with the provisions thereof is unlawful.

Why are you dodging the question? How does the Corker amendment aid a future President by the Senate ceding its prerogative to the Executive?

At least 1000 times right here on this forum.

Then coughing up one sourced citation shouldn't be a problem. Why are you stalling?

[editor-surveyor]

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>> “Why are you dodging the question? How does the Corker amendment aid a future President by the Senate ceding its prerogative to the Executive?” <<

That statement is a deliberate and ignorant lie.

You are dodging the facts.

You will be dazzled on January 20, 2017, by the smoothness with which President Cruz un-does Obama’s Iran capitulation, and McConnell and Boehners mendacious manipulations.
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[SamAdams76]

I agree with others that this chart is garbage. For example, Trump should be green in Second Amendment and Tax & Trade.

[papertyger]

That statement is a deliberate and ignorant lie. You are dodging the facts.

Then let's see one... without all the kabuki theater.

[plewis1250]

The game you're playing is one which is going to damn this country.

If you are a conservative, how can you possibly back someone with such little track record and with completely differing views as recently as 7 years ago?

What is there to trust? Why put so much stock in the fleeting words of a TV personality from New York?

Do you HONESTLY think he has ANYTHING in common with someone from Georgia? That his life experiences would drive him to where he holds a conservative viewpoint?

Sure his family could have been the exception, but if that were the case his opinions would have been solidified before 7 years ago. They were not.

Maybe he has had a change of heart due to age? That is a possibility... we all mature. Of course, his change of heart came at 63... 63 years of batting for the other team... growing up in the New York socialite circles given his family's wealth... but maybe after 63 years enough had been enough?

I just find it VERY hard to believe someone who has been a democrat for SO long suddenly switches parties and completely alters their viewpoints, coincidentally right around the time there was an obvious shift in the mood of the American people due to the political leanings of the other side.

He may be all that he claims, I honestly have ZERO idea because I cannot trust what the man says.

If he was our only choice, sure, I could see taking the chance.

But he is not.

We have SOLID conservative candidates running this time around. Sure there may be a vote or two that folks can find a problem with, but its a vote or two. Not a LIFETIME of supporting the opposing party.

Donald J. Trump is too risky of a candidate for the perilous times we find ourselves in, especially when solid, time tested conservatives are running as well.

[plewis1250]

https://www.tedcruz.org/cruz-immigration-plan/

• Suspend the issuance of all H-1B visas for 180 days to complete a comprehensive investigation and audit of pervasive allegations of abuse of the program
• Amend the H-1B visa program to fulfill its original purpose
• Create an advanced degree requirement
• Create a “layoff cool-off” period for all H-1B visa applications
• Establish accreditation or recognition requirements for overseas schools
• Require sworn affidavits describing domestic hiring efforts
• Suspend companies from H-1B visa eligibility for failure to help foreign workers obtain green cards

So whats the problem exactly?

[papertyger]

So whats the problem exactly?

"Weasel words" in the "plan," and an explanation of his former support for expanding the program.

[plewis1250]

What exactly are you looking for? A blood signed contract?

You asked for evidence, so I provided it. You seem to eager to accept Trump's word (someone who is PROVEN to have supported the other side) yet dismissive of Cruz's like its chalk full of lies...

[papertyger]

You asked for evidence, so I provided it.

Hardly. You provided a damage control "plan" from his campaign website from AFTER the h1b vote blew up in his face.

Why all the theatrics? Just give an explanation for the vote of sufficient detail that it can be critically evaluated.

[Georgia Girl 2]

Many of Donald Trumps views have been held for years. He’s a decent patriotic American who wants to help fix the terrible problems of this country. Don’t be a chump and buy into all the disinformation. Or just vote for somebody else. :-)