Posted on 11/25/2015 7:04:35 AM PST by jimbo123
As GOP candidate Donald Trump doubles down on claims that he saw Americans in New Jersey cheering on 9/11, his rival, Jeb Bush strongly denounced those comments today while campaigning in South Carolina.
"I don't recall that. There was no cheering on any -- it would have been television, it would have been recorded."
A memory he said he instead recalls is that of peaceful Muslim-Americans.
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FWIW, that la-la-la thing is called ululation. :0)
Know Islam, no peace.
No Islam, know peace.
When Kessler says "nothing that we can find", he didn't have to search very hard. After a two-minute Google search, Powerline's John Hinderaker turned up the following:
In Jersey City, within hours of two jetliners' plowing into the World Trade Center, law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river.
What demented fringe conspiracist website would traffic in such nonsense? Well, in fact, it was Glenn Kessler's own newspaper, The Washington Post, which published the story on September 18th 2001. Is it an "unconfirmed report"? Well, Kessler's colleague, Post reporter Serge Kolvaleski, said in a 2003 email that he got the story from the Jersey City Police Department and "confirmed the JCPD's information via interviews of eyewitnesses of the celebration".
Was Kessler aware, while researching his "fact-check, that a Washington Post reporter had interviewed "eyewitnesses of the celebration"? As it is, a so-called "fact-checker" who claims "an extensive examination" turns up "nothing that we can find involving the Arab populations of New Jersey" was apparently ignorant of the fact that his own newspaper had carried such a story. Called on his omission by John Hinderaker, Mr Kessler turned defensive:
@AmFedJournal@jhinderaker "several people allegedly celebrating" does not equal "thousands"
As John Hinderaker pointed out, the phrase "several people" does not occur in the Washington Post 2001 story, so Kessler is putting quotation marks round a non-quotation, which seems a rum thing for a fact-checker to do. One Pinocchio for you right there, Mister J-School Ethics! The Post says only that "a number of people" were detained and questioned. So now we're no longer arguing about whether there were even any reports of any New Jersey residents celebrating 9/11, but merely the number that were doing so.
Glenn Kessler's current version of his story now bears little relation to its original form, but John Hinderaker cuts to the chase:
@GlennKesslerWP Did you know about the 2001 Post article when you wrote your "fact check" or not?
Because, if you didn't, you're not much of a fact-checker.
Kessler has yet to respond.
A further Washington Post column, by Howard Kurtz on October 9th 2001, reminds us that, whether or not the story was on TV, it was widely reported on New York radio:
On Sept. 11, callers told New York radio stations WABC and WPLJ that some people in an Arabic section of Paterson, N.J., were celebrating the attacks.
Totally bogus, says city spokesman Bob Grant. He's so mad he has demanded transcripts from the Disney-owned stations and may demand equal time.
Grant is particularly steamed at WPLJ's "The Big Show With Scott and Todd," calling in to chide hosts Scott Shannon and Todd Pettengill. "They called me a moron and I called them mendacious," he says...
Curtis Sliwa, a WABC host also criticized by Grant, says callers told him of a celebration that "they felt was crazy, that was horrible, so we reported that based on the calls." Sliwa went to Paterson the next day and says people told him that the cheering was done by about a dozen bicycle-riding teenagers.
Paterson officials are "in total denial," says Sliwa. "They'd rather shoot the messenger."
Another obscure fringe hate-blog that referenced the "celebrations" was a site called The New York Times, reporting from Jersey City on September 30th 2001:
Since the F.B.I. raid, community relations in Jersey City -- which has a population of 240,000, 20 percent of whom are Arabs or of Arab descent -- have deteriorated, and Jersey City has become rife with rumors: about Muslim celebrations in the wake of the trade center attacks, about violence against Muslim residents, about who might have been involved in the terror, who might have harbored conspirators.
As "rumors" go, they were widespread. The San Francisco Chronicle, reporting from Jersey City on September 22nd 2001:
A few Muslims have been harassed around town by non-Muslims, and police detained several men seen "celebrating" the attack as the smoke first rose across the river. Folks are worried that things could get worse. On both sides.
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And it is really irritating.
Washington Post published the Jersey article on 09/18/01.
Now, they say the article was incorrect. Kinda late for a retraction. It just doesn’t fit their agenda now 14 years later. Too bad for them.
The Donald could say he saw Martians in the sky, but it still wouldn’t mean I would vote for you amnesty boy Jebbie!
“...late to the party.”
Jeb busts through the door with wine and flowers only to find an empty house, a vinyl Steely Dan album skipping and empty bottles everywhere.
It’s like porn.....
I’m waiting for the list of all the mooslimes killed in the Twin Towers attacks.
And the video of the Americans cheering.
I have never seen such a tone-deaf politician. I find his run fascinating since his family has bred him on how to run and play the game. He seems not to be able to learn even the most simplistic lessons. Why would the Republican base vote for a democrat, a tone-deaf one at that?
I denounce Jeb Bush...
Sorry Jeb, recorded the event and erased. Usual communists way of treating data that might support Trump. I vaguely remember the clip of the cheering but not sure where. All I really remember how much I disliked Muslims from that point on. This cult is not meant to be on the Earth.
Don’t people remember any cheering? I have a friend involved in property management and real estate. I remember her saying that a property owner she knew had tenants who were noisily rejoicing on 9/11. This was in the Los Angeles area. I can’t imagine why this is being doubted now.
The most frightening thing about all of this is that the elites and the media are determined to re-write history and make us believe it.
Those of us who remember it will be shouted down, called mistaken or liars and disregarded.
Doesn’t anyone care?
I saw exactly what Trump is talking about. It was a television news report from Paterson or Jersey City either the day of 9/11 or shortly after. So, you are calling me a liar too, Mr. Bush.
One thing about Trump is that he does not lie.
Jebthro can’t figure out why he keeps losing support. Saying stupid crap like this that everyone knows better is why.
“”A memory he said he instead recalls is that of peaceful Muslim-Americans.””
WOW - I was watching from CA - where was he watching from - Mars? The first thing I remember after that was some muslim b***h (veil and all) on TV defending what was done - a supposed American. It would have been on FOX as I didn’t have any other channel on after that monstrous act...I think she’s been on other times also but I don’t recall her name.
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