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Conscientious Objectors
Townhall.com ^ | April 22, 2016 | Mike Adams

Posted on 04/22/2016 5:21:40 AM PDT by Kaslin

The left has always had great admiration for the conscientious objector. I know something about that because I was a kid in the late 60s and early 70s when the Vietnam War was being fought. Some people refused to serve in the war because of their deeply held religious beliefs. To those on the right they were cowards. To those on the left they were heroes. As the son of a military officer I got one side of the story. As a student in the public schools I got the other.

My teachers did their best to convince me there was legitimacy in refusing military service due to deeply held religious beliefs. They had their work cut out for them given that I grew up hearing war stories as child. One grandfather was in World War I. Another was in World War II. As a child I could not imagine why someone would refuse to serve in a war due to reasons of religion. I simply could not imagine a basis for incompatibility between patriotism and religious belief.

To top it off, there was always the prospect of fraud. For those who were simply afraid to serve there was a powerful motivation to lie about one’s religious and moral convictions. How could the state adequately distinguish between those claims that had legitimacy and those that were fraudulent?

Just a few years ago, I had a chance to exercise my rights as a conscientious objector in a very different context. A friend was getting married to a woman with whom he had an extramarital affair. Put simply, he stole a man’s wife. Then he followed the misdeed with years of unrepentant sex with her outside of marriage. Eventually, he decided to marry her. And he invited me to attend the wedding.

Just prior to the wedding, my friend joked about how his bride would be so drunk at the wedding that she would likely trip and fall on the way down the aisle. My friend thought it was funny. I didn’t think it was funny. So I declined the invitation to attend his wedding. It was an easy decision although it cost me his friendship.

As a believer, how could I have done anything differently? I sincerely believed that the wedding like the relationship itself was an utter mockery of a godly institution. Surely, no true liberal would argue that I should be forced to attend. A true liberal would respect my claim as a conscientious objector.

Thankfully, the friend who invited me to his wedding did not also ask me to play my guitar during the wedding. I played at scores of weddings when I was earning my living as a professional guitarist in the 1990s. But, make no mistake: Had he invited me to perform I would have had to refuse to provide my services based on my deeply held moral and religious view that the ceremony was not God honoring.

But would a true liberal still respect my claim as a conscientious objector under the scenario where I had refused to provide services rather than merely declined an invitation to attend? Of course he would.

The refusal to provide a paid service would not render my conscientious objector claim less credible or less principled. In fact, the opposite would be true. Moreover, I would have a vastly superior moral claim than one who refuses military service as a conscientious objector. And here is the crucial moral difference:

The one who refuses to serve in the military often does so because he wants to preserve his life. The one who refuses to provide a paid service does so despite the fact that it adversely affects his livelihood.

So tell me again which of these two acts is more principled than the other? And please explain how the left could arrive at the conclusion that refusing to serve in war is an act of valor while refusing to serve at a wedding is an act of evil.

Surely even the most hardened leftist recognizes that I simply could not have been forced to perform at my friend’s traditional wedding. And if he supports equality he would be forced to arrive at the same conclusion had I refused to perform at a same-sex wedding on the basis of moral objections.

Of course, there is no need to alter the moral reasoning for those who serve weddings by baking cakes, arranging flowers, or taking pictures – as opposed to strumming a guitar. The same principles I’ve articulated apply equally to all. At least they should.

Unfortunately, the point that I am driving home reveals something sinister about this whole national conversation over LGBT rights. It is simply undeniable that this debate no longer has anything to do with coherent principles of fairness and equality. The new sexual revolutionaries have discarded those concepts altogether.

Furthermore, it is patently obvious that the left does not really support the idea of freedom of conscience. Their apparent support is never based upon principle. It is always contingent on whether they agree with the objections being expressed. This is the current reality of political warfare:

All objectors are equal. But some objectors are more equal than others.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs
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To: Blue Collar Christian; NorthMountain

The movie had it right
York was drafted in spite of being a CO because his church was not an approved church by the Federals. He was convinced by his NCOs and officers that he would be saving more lives as a rifleman than as a non combatant.

I guess, I should have spelled it out. but I assumed........ ............


21 posted on 04/22/2016 7:09:52 AM PDT by Tupelo (we vote - THEY decide.)
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To: thirst4truth

That’s a sad story - your Dad deserved better than that. Both of my Grandfathers served in WWI, my Dad and my Uncles served in WWII and when our time came, my Brother and I served in Vietnam.

The enemy made it easy to overcome any qualms about killing them.


22 posted on 04/22/2016 7:13:22 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Kaslin

The non-coward COs served as medics. The highly coward ones ran to Canada. Some principled ones stayed and served jail time.


23 posted on 04/22/2016 7:18:42 AM PDT by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: Kaslin

It’s not about morals or about access to service. Nowhere is there a shortage of florists, bakers, or photographers willing to work a gay wedding. Nowhere is there a sincere gay “couple” who wants their wedding photographed or their cake baked by someone who finds the pretend-marriage ceremony revolting. They want to crush people with decent morals. These are thugs, nothing more.

In the long run, I would like to see those who abuse government power in this manner punished, and I’m okay with everything up to and including the death penalty. That’s what the law says.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/242

18 U.S. Code § 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution . . . shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.


24 posted on 04/22/2016 7:22:45 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Somebody who agrees with me 80% of the time is a friend and ally, not a 20% traitor. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: oh8eleven

You can thank Jimmy Carter for that. All those guys that got drafted could have just run off to Canada—and just a couple years later, been absolved.


25 posted on 04/22/2016 7:27:13 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: onedoug

502 101st Airmobile FOB Bastogne, hello Brother!


26 posted on 04/22/2016 7:27:23 AM PDT by Dusty Road (")
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To: NorthMountain
Sgt Alvin York was persuaded that his conscientious objection was based on a mistaken interpretation of the Bible.

"Thou shalt not kill" should properly read "Thou shalt not murder". Killing in war is (usually) not murder.

27 posted on 04/22/2016 7:27:47 AM PDT by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: oh8eleven

***However, the real crime was allowing the cowards to slither back to America.***

Thank Jimmy Carter for that! 2nd worst president in my lifetime!


28 posted on 04/22/2016 7:28:45 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Tupelo
All objectors are equal. But some objectors are more equal than others

Add Desmond Doss as a “conscientious objectors" hero.

Sgt. York was a famous conscientious objector because of what he did with his gun.

Desmond Doss was a famous conscientious objector because of what he did without a gun. A story that will amaze most people.

29 posted on 04/22/2016 7:30:35 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love Many, Trust Few, and Always Paddle Your Own Canoe)
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To: Tupelo
I wonder how many COs actually ended up in the military. I know some became medics and corpsmen and at least one became a rifleman and was the recipient of the Medal of Honor. Sgt Alvin York.

Quite true. The concept of COs has a long history in this country. It is the same basic idea behind some of the early laws regarding militia service. Those with strongly held objections were not required to muster with the militia. Naturally, there are cowards who take advantage, but there are also those who have strong moral convictions against the taking up of arms.

Sgt York was an excellent example. He was, I believe, a Quaker, who struggled mightily with his conscience about the morality of bearing arms against his fellow man. Eventually he worked through his moral objections in the face of the evil we stood against, and went on to be a recipient of our highest military honors. Obviously, it wasn't cowardice that had motivated his objections.

Would we, as a society, have been wrong to have forced him to bear arms? I believe so. It is unfortunate that the unscrupulous can also take advantage of the morality behind this, but I suspect it is unavoidable. There are also many things that one might do in service of the nation that does not require one to become an active combatant. In a just society you have to make allowances for this, and the same should go for the other circumstances enumerated by the author of the article.

Forcing a man to act against his own morality is unjust and immoral.

30 posted on 04/22/2016 8:07:04 AM PDT by zeugma (Woohoo! It looks like I'll get to vote for an abrasive clown for president!)
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To: Dusty Road

“Welcome Home!”


31 posted on 04/22/2016 8:08:06 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Chainmail

Thank you for your service. I wasn’t much better, I marched a few times in Seattle against the war. I was young and stupid.


32 posted on 04/22/2016 11:22:06 AM PDT by thirst4truth (America, What difference does it make?)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Thank Jimmy Carter for that! 2nd worst president in my lifetime!

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Jimmy will drop to third place if Hillary is elected.


33 posted on 04/22/2016 11:39:00 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: zeugma
Forcing a man to act against his own morality is unjust and immoral.

You have it exactly right with that. Most of our neighbors on the left-side of the fence are oblivious to the fact that their heavy-handed mauling of Christians with respect to "gay" activities is killing conscientious objection, in every endeavor and guise.
34 posted on 04/22/2016 6:42:09 PM PDT by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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To: Montana_Sam

>You have it exactly right with that. Most of our neighbors on the left-side of the fence are oblivious to the fact that their heavy-handed mauling of Christians with respect to “gay” activities is killing conscientious objection, in every endeavor and guise.

They want slaves, not free people.


35 posted on 04/22/2016 6:44:14 PM PDT by RedWulf ((Trump supporter))
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To: onedoug
"I knew “conscientious objectors” who served in Vietnam anyway, without weapons"
Same same. Their choice and, IMO, they did the honorable thing.
36 posted on 04/26/2016 2:27:31 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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