Posted on 09/14/2016 10:04:47 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
APPLE RELEASED iOS 10 to iPhone and iPad users on 13 September, but the update turned some devices into overpriced bricks instead of delivering new functionality.
iOS 10 was released to all at 6pm UK time on Tuesday, but those who flocked to install the update were quick to regret their decision.
Just minutes after the rollout began, social media sites filled up with complaints from pissed off iPhone users who, after trying to download iOS 10 over WiFi, found that their iDevice had been rendered useless.
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Nice dodge! Yes, hypocrite.
Your response says NOTHING about my point. As expected from a hypocrite.
92 confirmed issues for 1 million units sold. That’s 0.0092%. You’re on record as a fail rate of under 0.1% (later stated as 0.05%) was a non-issue. This is a NON-ISSUE by Swordmaker’s own standard.
Except, of course, it’s not Apple. Apple can do no wrong, can they?
Hypocrite. It fits. Your own posts prove your own hypocrisy.
There is stupidity, and then there is weapons grade stupidity.
The Touch Disease you are babbling about is from iPhone users who insist upon carrying a delicate $700+ in their back pockets, and have repeatedly sat on. By doing this, they have flexed the circuit board and have broken multiple solderballs on the BGA Touch Controller chip. This is why the only fix is to replace the chip - or for non-simians, DO NOT SIT on your $700+ cell phone.
Yet, despite this abuse of the iPhone, despite zero injuries, despite zero property damage - in your mind this is equivalent to a phone that has caused over 90 serious burns in the USA and is being investigated as a source for causing both house and vehicle fires.
And you honestly believe you are sane. Amazing.
No, Dan. The only hypocrite here is you.
You are just trying a new dance routine, again trying to mischaracterize what I said by what you OMIT from my statements, which is NEVER what you typically claim I said, because you ALWAYS misquote me. I pasted my original post on this to you above exactly as written, no omissions, no additions. YOU CONFABULATED A LOT INTO IT THAT IS NOT THERE!
You have this severe case of reading comprehension and an even worse problem with interpretation of facts presented clearly and succinctly. You LOVE to take statements out of context of people you disagree with and build straw men out of those ex-contextual claims to be able to build a huge hissy-fit straw castle on which you build your cases. This whole thread has been a prime example of such a nonsense case of your typical fallacy type of arguments.
Perhaps you have a problem with just plain ignoring what is plainly said: in this instance you've taken my explanation about a typical electronic problem that is now beginning to show up with age in a well-out-of-warranty electronic product that was being forced to use non-lead solder that is perhaps inconveniencing a very tiny set of its users and pointing out IT IS NOT THE EQUIVALENT of a brand new product which has a growing number bursting into flame and/or exploding, literally injuring its users and destroying its users' property, and building a huge idiotic strawman illogical claim based on zero evidence to obfuscate the fact that Samsung's Note 7 is a dangerous product to use.
You are the hypocrite for harping on this and trying to make this false equivalency. I have not made this equivalency, you did. YOU are the one who somehow thinks that the users of this dangerous product should not be notified of the dangers or the recall. Are you wanting more property damage, more injuries? That's what's truly hypocritical!
What I am on record of is as stating plainly that the iPhone 6/6 plus "Touch Disease" problem is being a non-issue on a product that has been on the market for over TWO YEARS, is now out-of-warranty, and is showing a problem developing with age which inconveniences a very tiny number of a huge installed based of users, and as such is not the same level of severity of problem as a NEW PRODUCT that has been on the market for ONE WEEK that is showing a SEVERELY DANGEROUS problem from day one.
You say:
92 confirmed issues for 1 million units sold.
But you are conflating the data. "92 confirmed issues" actually equals FIRES, with 55 reports of property damage and 25 cases of persons with second and third degree burns but those are the ones reported to the Consumer Product Safety Commission ONLY in the United States of America. But then, you go off the deep end with the "for 1 million units sold" because that figure is actually, according to Samsung, the total sold into consumers' hands for the entire world out of the 2.5 million shipped. You are using the damage date for one part of the world against the sales figure for the entire world. That's a no-no, Dan. That's called statistical fraud to whitewash the problem.
You are again confabulating the data. Samsung is recalling all 2.5 million Note 7 phablets shipped WORLD WIDE of which APPROXIMATELY ONE MILLION OF THOSE 2.5 MILLION HAVE BEEN SOLD TO END USERS WORLD WIDE. Approximately 1.5 million Note 7s were still in the inventory channels or being shipped to carriers or retailers, unsold, at the time of the recall. This one million or so which were sold throughout the world as stated by Samsung, not just in the UNITED STATES as you allege! Let me repeat that: Not all of those one million or so were sold in the United States, Dan. Do I need to say it again? Samsung sold Note 7s in South Korea, Australia, Canada, the UK, and the United States, which totaled the approximate one million which reached consumers before Samsung suspended sales and instituted the recall.
Furthermore, the number of fires/explosions in the US is now somewhere over 150, approaching 200, which further distorts your claimed rate. There are a lot more fires and explosions in the other countries of the world where the Note 7s were sold that were NOT reported to the US CPSC because the US CPSC has no jurisdiction in those areas of the world. How difficult of a concept is that to grasp?
You keep deliberately excluding data you just don't want to exist. . . and deliberately misinterpreting what data there is to put a rosy glow on it. No matter how much you polish a dog turd, it is still a dog turd, Dan. And no matter how much you try to diminish it, it still stinks.
You are trying to get a percentage rate based on the fires/explosions reported ONLY in the UNITED STATES that have been reported to the CPSC, despite the fact that the CPSC gets reports late and only those that get the involvement of Fire Departments. . . AND you are ignoring the fact that those one million sold were the number sold all over the world in multiple countries, not just in the USA, and YOU ARE DELIBERATELY IGNORING THE DAMAGE AND INJURIES FROM THE REST OF THE WORLD WHICH IS NEVER REPORTED TO THE U.S. CONSUMER PRODUCT SAFETY COMMISSION. . . because it is not at all within their jurisdiction.
Your response says NOTHING about my point. As expected from a hypocrite.
YOU STILL DON'T GET IT! I answered you specifically to your point in detail, and you either did not bother to read it, or you didn't understand a word I wrote, or choose not to. Perhaps it is sheer ignorance.
You don't understand statistics at all, do you? Dan, you have to normalized your data to do any comparison that means anything. You cannot compare a product that has been on the market for TWO YEARS and has sold 250 million units, and has X number of failures which have mainly occurred with age, without extending the one week's worth of failures of your new product and multiply them by the equal number of weeks in TWO YEARS, 104, and normalizing sales numbers, so you are comparing like numbers and time periods! Otherwise, Dan, you are comparing two completely different sets of data. Otherwise, the rates cannot be compared at all. One is failures per 104 weeks on a huge number set, and the other is failures per 1 week on a small number set. . . yet in your ignorance YOU see absolutely ZERO difference.
Try doing the statistical projection math and PROPERLY extending it over time and see what you get. . . this is something I am well versed in as a Economist. You won't like the answer you'll get.
If you do apply the statistical projection, you will find that at the rate they were failing, that over time the failure rate approaches unity, which means that by the time the Note 7 had been on the market for two years EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WILL HAVE A VERY HIGH CHANCE OF CATCHING FIRE by the time it reaches two years old! That's not a risk, that's certainty.
That's why Samsung is recalling the Note 7, and it's not because they are just doing it out of the goodness of their hearts as you allege. It is a very dangerous product for them to leave on the market. They are terrified of the number of lawsuits that will be coming their way because of injuries and property damage. Just from the numbers in the CPSC reports there are 25 potential personal injury and 55 property damage lawsuits from the FIRST WEEK in the wild ALONE! Do you even know what "existential threat" means?
(You do know you’re being trolled?)
CASE 1: A 0.05% defect rate, defect is definitely design related: no problem, nothing to worry about, the company should have zero responsibility.
CASE 2: A 0.0092% defect rate, with a solution already IN PLACE and replacements shipping for free: the company is terrible, you cannot trust them, unnamed sources say the fix is no good.
THAT is Swordmaker logic. THAT is hypocritical.
All your other postings are trying to cover that very, simple thing.
You support FUD - pure and simple. The point is very clearly laid out right here, case 1 and case 2. A higher rate, design-related defect from Apple is a non-issue in your words. A lower rate, supplier-related defect with a fix already in place, replacements being shipped from Samsung is a serious matter that means you should avoid them at all costs.
You're worse than Dan Rather.
Did you read it? I doubt it or you'd stop posting your drooling posts. Repeating your idiotic claims merely demonstrate your lack of intelligence.
Wrong.
The Samsung Galaxy Note 7 fiasco is keeping the company busy. Smartphones have been catching on fire, and about 0.1% of the sold handsets are said to be affected. That may seem like a small number, but Samsung is struggling to replace the 2.5 million units they have already sold. — Android Authority, September 17, 2016
Android Authority is hardly a non-ndroid authority on the subject, nor is it an Apple centric source. This percentage is apparently inclusive of overheating which damaged the Note 7 without starting a fire because the owners shut them down before they did so.
Can you post a reply with out insults or a faux psychological diagnosis of me? I shall join you. . I sincerely doubt it. It's inherent in your sick nature. . . asshat. You did not bother to read anything at all. . . or do the math I challenged you to do, did you? I think you are incapable of doing either.
Go have your fun elsewhere. I have more important thing to do.
Now we lie. We go and find alternate, random sources to try to cover over our errors. Classic Swordmaker! Like I posted earlier, 92 out of 1 million. That's the failure rate. That's straight from Samsung, not an estimate from some random website. That's what is reported on Reuters, mainstream media.
So again - it's a much smaller failure rate. And the failure is already fixed, and replacements are shipping RIGHT NOW. For FREE. And those who do NOT want a free replacement have a software patch that SOLVES THE PROBLEM.
But, in Swordmaker's view, that's worthy of FUD. Condemnation. Ridicule.
Of course, when Apple has a failure an order of magnitude larger, for a phone that was shipping as late as LAST WEEK (yes, you could buy a brand new iPhone 6 and 6 Plus from Apple at least as of last week), that Apple REFUSES to acknowledge is a design flaw and insists that consumers have to pay for any fix - that's all well and good, and bringing it up is FUD.
That is hypocritical. Straight facts. You don't like it, because it's patently obvious.
One company owns their mistake, takes care of the customers in a matter of weeks, and the problem was just 92 out of 1 million. And it's OK to keep talking about the failures even though they are solved and replacements/fixes are 100% free.
The other company ignores the mistakes, blames the customers (you're carrying it wrong), and the problem affects 500 out of 1 million. And it's not OK to talk about the failures, especially as the company refuses to do anything about it.
The former is classic FUD. The latter is classic facts. But in your opinion, the former is all fine, and the latter is FUD.
That, is hypocrisy. Treatment is not equal. Why? Because you like one brand, and hate the other. Hypocrisy.
Don't complain...I was eating lunch when I saw that phrase. :-)
Dan, since you claim I am a liar, I know you won't bother to even read this, but the others I pinged will. . . You won't because you are so arrogant you are so certain in your ignorance. It is obvious that you've never bothered to read anything else I've posted, or paid any attention except to use it as a springboard for more of your repetitive non-changing, non-thinking, non-responsive claims .
From your own link above:
Samsung Electronics Co Ltd (005930.KS) formally recalled 1 million Galaxy Note 7 smartphones sold in the United States, replacing or refunding the flagship phones, whose susceptibility to catching fire has damaged the image of the Korean powerhouse.Samsung received 92 reports of batteries overheating in the United States, including 26 reports of burns and 55 cases of property damage, the company said as it announced the recall in cooperation with the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC). . .
. . . Earlier this month, Samsung said it would recall all Note 7 smartphones equipped with batteries it found to be fire-prone and halted their sales in 10 markets, denting a revival of the firm's mobile business.
As I have repeatedly stated, your lying percentage figures based on only 92 being reported are based on only ONE of the TEN markets where some 2.5 million Note 7 had been shipped to be sold worldwide.
There is NOTHING in your linked article that changes anything I said and in fact it VALIDATES what I said and in fact INVALIDATES what you claim.
YOU ARE THE ONE REPEATEDLY LYING, Dan, as is the implication in this report by Samsung that they are is doing their recall "in cooperation with the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), as all earlier reports in the mainstream press reported that Samsung was not doing it in cooperation with the CPSC, and had in fact attempted to do it in house to disastrous results. In fact, Dan, your own linked article shows the disingenuous misdirection inherent in Samsung's self-serving statement which is in the last portion of the extract I quoted above where the article notes that Samsung had announced their recall and halted sales in the ten markets where they had been selling the Note 7 "earlier this month"!
Yet it is only now, a couple of weeks later, that that Samsung is cooperating with the CPSC, after people DID NOT stop using the dangerous device and DID NOT show signs of turning them in for exchange and the CPSC stepped in to make it mandatory!
It's official. If you've still got a Samsung Galaxy Note 7, you've got to hand it over.
. . ."The company stopped all sales and shipments of the Note 7 and said it was working with government agencies and cellular carriers around the world to provide refunds and exchanges for the phone.
Still, Samsung has been criticized for how it initially handled the issue. It has been pushing a global recall of its own, but many people have kept using their phones anyway. Some have been injured when the phone caught on fire." — "Samsung officially recalls Note 7 after US agency weighs in" — C-Net, September 15, 2016 — by Shara Tibken
Now, Dan, combine the numbers of overheated Samsung Note 7 phablets in those NINE OTHER MARKETS with the count of 92 from the ONE MARKET, the USA, you choose to use because it distorts the figures, and see exactly who is lying about the problem. It is NOT ME, it is YOU who simply does not understand how to analyze data and get an accurate picture of what's happening.
You started out using an even smaller percentage — what was it 0.00014%? — until I pointed out there were more fires than you were accounting for just in the USA. Then you hooked onto just the reports in the USA, and ignored all the other reports coming from the UK, Canada, Korea, Australia, and five other markets, just so you could distort the numbers and make a really small number of incidents. You ignored the facts of all those outside the USA which I repeatedly tried to show you.
Nor does the software patch "solve the problem" as you so blythely claim. I have not seen anyone claim it solves it, only that may act as a stopgap measure to amelieorate the problem, but that was questioned by some world class experts, WHICH I NAMED AND QUOTED IN LINKED ARTICLES and you ignored completely, and in fact claimed I had not named or cited!
I have yet to see you address the issue of why a minor inconvenience in a TWO YEAR OLD MODEL, which only appears after a unit has been on the market for almost those two years, and is associated with misuse from bending, and does not put any users at risk to second and third degree burns, destruction of their real estate and other property, is in ANY WAY THE EQUIVALENT of a brand new product on the market that in its first week on the market bursts into flame, causing damage and burning its users to second and third degrees, destroying automobiles, busses, garages and homes!!!! Why not? Where is your explanation of the equivalency. . . Not rate of incidence of units, but equivalence of danger.
The other company ignores the mistakes, blames the customers (you're carrying it wrong), and the problem affects 500 out of 1 million. And it's not OK to talk about the failures, especially as the company refuses to do anything about it.
500 out of 1 million??? Where did you come up with THAT absurd figure, Dan? No, Dan, you pulled that little facturd out of your ass. The number of iPhone 6/6 plus that are impacted by the Touch Disease, which are about TWO YEARS OLD, has been about 2,000 out of about 250,000,000 sold over a two year period since that model was first introduced in September 2014. That is not 500 out of one million. Are you seriously wanting people to believe that only one million iPhone 6/6 plus were sold???? Ridiculous. The actual percentage effected is approximately 0.0008% not the idiotic 0.05% you've been claiming. That's 62.5 times fewer incidences than you and they were claiming for the rate of this iPhone 6 "Touch Disease" you have your panties in such a wad about!
You were citing an estimate that came from the company that was trying to sell its method of fixing a pretty much NON-EXISTENT PROBLEM. As I have told you over and over again, when a major Apple Authorized Repair Station in Sacramento, CA, a city with a metropolitan population of approximately 3 million, one that receives thousands of iPhones to repair has not seen even a SINGLE ONE with this issue at the heighth of the media noise about it, it is NOT A MAJOR PROBLEM!
Even that company claiming it a serious problem, which specialized in microsoldering, stated they were receiving only a few a week. . . and those were being sent to them from other repair stations that did not have the capability to do microsoldering. Ergo, the problem is not huge.
I went to the Apple Forum on the issue and found there were 76 pages of discussion, about ten comments per page. That's 760 comments. Of those, only about 100 were from people who actually were experiencing the problem and many of those were duplicate posters arguing with others who were responding to their earlier postings. In a universe of 250,000,000 users, or even a smaller universe of only English speaking users, that is a SMALL NUMBER of complaints!
Come on, Dan, step up to the plate and show us why 250,000,000 of the same model device should be recalled because somewhere around 2,000 or so around the world have had a functionality problem that has endangered ZERO people when they reached almost two years of age. DO IT.
Nor did you ever bother to extend your vaunted Note 7's failure rate over time as I told you to do. . . DID YOU? I know you did not. Why not? Because had you done so, you'd know that your argument would lie in ashes on the floor.
I've wasted enough time trying to educate you. I will not respond to you again on this topic because you are merely trolling and not interested at all in factual analysis from someone who DOES KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT and has been educated in how to analyze such data. You are here just to throw brickbats, insults, and misinformation. Good luck with looking intelligent with that approach. I'm done with you.
Thanks SM.
Swordmaker, it’s very clear that Shanghai Dan is interested in nothing more than trolling/FUD’ing. He’s obviously not interested in being enlightened. He is content to stay in the camp of those who have a motto of “You’ll have to pry my burned out Galaxy Note 7 from my charred, dead fingers”. Let him live in his chosen world of willful ignorance.
Hi Ayreides. I know that Dan is lying whenever he's posting because his claims are always made up on the spur of the moment, guaranteed false. Several days ago he triumphantly posted to me that "none of the replacement Note 7s already delivered to customers in exchanges had caught fire." But I knew that was a blatant lie because NONE OF THE SAFE Note 7s had yet been shipped to be exchanged, so none could have yet been replaced by new Note 7s!!! In fact, Samsung was still trying to figure out what the problem was as of September 13th to know how to fix the problem!
They were not going to have new Note 7s to be able to exchange until after September 19th, which was yesterday. According to an article in Bloomberg, which also supported my "shipped into channel" figures:
"The company has said about 2.5 million phones shipped before the recall to consumers and carriers. Note 7s with new batteries are due to become available only after Sept. 19. An official at Korean carrier KT Corp. said the number of customers that had gotten refunds on their Note 7s was relatively small so far, without elaborating." — Bloomberg — September 13, 2016
Yet days before they were available from Samsung, Dan was crowing about no exchanged Samsung Note 7s with replaced batteries were catching fire at all, and now he claimed, yesterday, they had already been doing the exchanges before when they wouldn't be available until after September 19th. Amazing.
One more thing, Samsung had self-reported only two fires in South
Korea, but the Korean Product Safety Commission reported 27 in the first week on the market with one injury! Australia banned them from all air flights.
You have the patience of a saint when it comes to dealing with that dishonest buffoon. I admire your dedication to effective countering of that steady stream of BS. Keep up the good work!
Remember when Maytag made washers with gasoline engines for those without electricity?
If only that were so.
Agreed. I'm so tired of the coarsening of the culture. Even FR has become lax.
“Used as an attention-getter for a room full of guys.”
I’ve seen that picture. Not much of a looker, that one.
Swordmaker again posting facts - but those who continue to be members of a “Conservative” message board who choose to ignore facts (like Liberals) will not pay attention. They will continue to post lies and garbage...
BUT - I will say this, Swordmaker - my iPhone 6+ that is 16 months old seems to be starting the “touch disease” - it all started after the Apple Store replaced the screen assembly for another known issue - a bad batch of microphones (though a much less widespread issue). All starting with the Apple Store repair...
And my iPhone has never been abused or “bent” in a pocket. It has always been in a protective case. And sadly, the problem is so intermittent, I haven’t been able to get it to demonstrate the issue AT the Apple Store (which is a 90 minute drive away).
Your rant against the lying Dan is totally justified, but I don’t appreciate being lumped together with tight-jeans, back-pocket iPhone carriers... I don’t wear tight jeans, and have never carried my iPhone 6+ in that pocket where it could get flexed/bent - yet my iphone is starting to develop the “touch disease” - first sign of it began within an hour of the Apple Store replacing the screen for a defective microphone issue (a known problem).
And there is a growing number of folks complaining about this issue - who have never abused their iphone. There IS a defect - but it isn’t really a safety issue (other than if you need to make an emergency call and the screen won’t let you dial out).
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