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The Case That Could Blow Up American Election Law
MSN ^ | July 11, 2022 | Thomas Wolf

Posted on 07/11/2022 5:18:03 AM PDT by libstripper

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To: libstripper

If MSN is this worked up over the case it MUST be good for America! Oh how they fret when their grip on power and elections gets threatened.


61 posted on 07/11/2022 7:06:36 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Progressivism is socialism. Venezuela is how it ends.)
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To: semimojo
I don’t see how they can give the legislatures the power to ignore their own constitutions, and I can’t imagine a single state would have ratified the US Constitution if they thought that would be the case.

The problem is activist Judges. Judges are the arbitrars of the application of the Constitutionality to which the legislature operate. Yet, you end up with activist judges who rule clearly against both the State Constitution and the legislatures laws. Voter ID is one such issue.

62 posted on 07/11/2022 7:08:53 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The firearms I own today, are the firearms I will die with. How I die will be up to them.)
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To: LouAvul

“ Even to Antifa stealing their party symbol from the Nazis.”

Antifa stole their symbol (and a lot more) from the Red Fighting Front (look it up). Brownshirts existed to fight them in the street and to bring a regime Tom power that would eliminate them.


63 posted on 07/11/2022 7:16:16 AM PDT by Jim Noble (I’ve stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains)
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To: Lazamataz

I agree. State legislators don’t start out with the intent to ‘ignore’ their own state constitutions. They legislate according to what they see as a needed statute considering their constituents’ desires.

It’s true that their laws have to withstand possible constitutionality tests for their states but the judiciary is far too infested with leftist activist judges who use their power to legislate on their own from the bench.

This is a problem at the state level and an even WORSE problem at the federal court level, IMO.

IMO, the wisest vote anyone in any state could make is to vote against any incumbent judge, period. The chess board has to be cleared.


64 posted on 07/11/2022 7:16:40 AM PDT by Gaffer (EA)
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To: libstripper

And another project should be to increase the security of Supreme Court justices 10 fold if necessary to ensure they can eat dinner in public or whatever else they want to do. And enforce the laws already on the books.


65 posted on 07/11/2022 7:17:45 AM PDT by Midwesterner53
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To: libstripper
and well in advance of the 2024 presidential election, the Court could strip state courts and state constitutions of their ability to check and balance state legislators when they make laws for federal elections

Wolf doesn't seem to get it. He/we have no Constitutional right to vote for the president. The Constitution gives the state legislatures the power to determine how their state's presidential electors will be chosen.

Currently, all states have elections where that state's voters can vote on their preference from President, but they can change that if they like.

66 posted on 07/11/2022 7:17:58 AM PDT by libertylover (Democrats are as determined to kill innocent people as the Nazis.)
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To: Lazamataz
The problem is activist Judges. Judges are the arbitrars of the application of the Constitutionality to which the legislature operate.

That’s certainly a big problem but I’m not sure SCOTUS thinks the solution is to ignore the constitution(s).

67 posted on 07/11/2022 7:22:12 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: libstripper
I have to keep pointing out to people that Americans do not even have a right to vote for President: the state legislatures could pick the electors themselves, assig them by lottery. They could also conceivably overrule a state election. My favorite would be to assign the slate of electors based on a majority of counties, nullifying the disproportionate role of corrupt big cities.

It took amendments to make Senators popularly elected and to give women the vote, so no amount of "substantive due process" legerdemain can legitimately undo the state legislature's control of Federal elections absent direct evidence of discriminatory intent.

68 posted on 07/11/2022 7:24:00 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: ComputerGuy

That conservative super majority did not save Oklahoma from chaos or several other important cases. Sometimes I think some of the recent justices have Stockholm Syndrome.


69 posted on 07/11/2022 7:29:41 AM PDT by Midwesterner53
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To: semimojo
That’s certainly a big problem but I’m not sure SCOTUS thinks the solution is to ignore the constitution(s).

I think SCOTUS is sick of legislators being overruled based on the INTERPRETATION of the state constitution.

One clear example is Voter ID. In several cases, the state constitution was silent on the issue, and the legislators enacted Voter ID law. The activist judge struck down Voter ID even though the state constitution was silent on the matter. That's not right. That's what SCOTUS is seemingly addressing.

70 posted on 07/11/2022 7:37:43 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The firearms I own today, are the firearms I will die with. How I die will be up to them.)
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To: Lazamataz

No surprises there.


71 posted on 07/11/2022 8:15:07 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: Lazamataz

The concept of judicial review is what the fight really should be about. John Marshall’s power grab in Marbury vs Madison needs to be undone.


72 posted on 07/11/2022 8:21:06 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (Heavily-medicated for your protectio)
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To: Midwesterner53

You’re right, I’m afraid.


73 posted on 07/11/2022 8:22:58 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (Heavily-medicated for your protectio)
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To: semimojo
But it creates some paradoxes. For one, it elevates the legislatures to be superior to the state constitutions which created them and gave them all their authority in the first place.

No paradox. And it isn't the state constitutions that give the state legislatures "all" their authority.

What if the state constitution says all laws, including election laws, must be passed by the legislature and signed by the governor?

Is SCOTUS going to jump in and overrule the state’s constitution?

What if the constitution says presidential electors are to be chosen by popular vote and the legislature decides to choose them based on the vote of the state house?

See the 10 amendment of the US Constitution, 10th amendment and 10 amendment yet again, to answer your questions.

74 posted on 07/11/2022 8:44:52 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
See the 10 amendment of the US Constitution, 10th amendment and 10 amendment yet again,

The 10th says the states. I think that means in accordance with the constitutions that created those states.

Do you think differently?

75 posted on 07/11/2022 9:02:12 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: semimojo
The 10th says the states. I think that means in accordance with the constitutions that created those states. Do you think differently?

The 10th says only powers not delegated by the federal constitution are reserved to the states and to the people.

The constitution does reserve those specific powers in question to the state legislatures.

76 posted on 07/11/2022 9:14:42 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: libstripper
Before next summer, and well in advance of the 2024 presidential election, the Court could strip state courts and state constitutions of their ability to check and balance state legislators when they make laws for federal elections, giving partisan majorities near-total control over how voters cast ballots and how those ballots are counted.

So on this issue the Progressives want to "subvert democracy" and get all "constitutional" on the rest of us (Conservatives)?

77 posted on 07/11/2022 9:54:13 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Midwesterner53
!8 US Code §1507 provides:

Whoever, with the intent of interfering with, obstructing, or impeding the administration of justice, or with the intent of influencing any judge, juror, witness, or court officer, in the discharge of his duty, pickets or parades in or near a building housing a court of the United States, or in or near a building or residence occupied or used by such judge, juror, witness, or court officer, or with such intent uses any sound-truck or similar device or resorts to any other demonstration in or near any such building or residence, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.(Emphasis added.)

Please note that this statute, in the emphasized language, refers to any demonstration in or near any "such building," with the term "such building" referring back to the statutory language "building or residence occupied or used by such judge." Thus all the judge needs to be doing is using a building for picketing and demonstrating outside of that building to be prohibited if the purpose of the picketing or demonstrating is to influence the judge's decision in any given case. That looks like it would clearly apply to Justice Kavanaugh having dinner inside of the restaurant, the restaurant clearly being a "building."

78 posted on 07/11/2022 10:06:00 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: Salman
You are correct.

Labeling or assuming), Roberts as a "conservative" is a pet peeve of mine, so I focused on that aspect of the comment.

79 posted on 07/11/2022 10:37:43 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (The problem today: people are more concerned about feelings than responsibility.)
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To: libstripper
It's from The Atlantic, so suspect, investigate or believe precisely the opposite of what's claimed.
80 posted on 07/11/2022 11:19:14 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (The “time out” generation didn’t produce as good a result as the @#$whoopin' generation. --Bob434)
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