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Capture of Abu Zubaydah could be serious blow to al-Qaida's attempts to reorganize
AP | 4/01/02 | JOHN J. LUMPKIN

Posted on 04/01/2002 2:26:08 PM PST by kattracks

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To: freeasinbeer
There is a reason that his wearabouts are unkonwn. Right now, members of the ISI are in a dimly lit locked room with this guy, working him over as the CIA/FBI wait patiently on the other side of the mirror.

We can't perform torture, but guess what? The ISI surely can. And he will never see the light of day. This guys is a guaranteed military tribunal. If this guy is ID'd properly they must use any means necessary to make him talk IMO.
41 posted on 04/01/2002 4:04:02 PM PST by freeasinbeer
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To: kattracks
This also means Musharaff and the Paks are playing it our way, despite occasional evidence to the contrary.

THAT is big.

42 posted on 04/01/2002 4:09:07 PM PST by Ahban
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To: Ahban
This also means Musharaff and the Paks are playing it our way, despite occasional evidence to the contrary. THAT is big.

I am glad someone made this observation.

43 posted on 04/01/2002 4:30:55 PM PST by Magnum44
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To: Paleo Conservative
I wonder how much persuasion it will take to make him talk?

Maybe a sulferic acid drip on his eyes?

44 posted on 04/01/2002 4:45:54 PM PST by irish_lad
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To: COBOL2Java
He Should be returned to "Al Queda Headquarters"--"in Pampers With a Feeding Tube."

The Psychopaths who trusted him should be Forever Terrified by his condition--& what he MAY have confessed!!

He should have, "You're NEXT!" tatooed on his forehead & Ass!!

His Drooling, Mindless visage should Dominate "Al-Jazeera" broadcasts, along with a "Generic message" that America is TRULY PISSED OFF & regards cooperation with Al Queda as tantamount to a Declaration of War against America.

Considering the Barbarism of our "enemies," we are willing to use "ANY MEANS" to defend ourselves!

Since "Islam" refuses to respect us, we must NOW cause it to FEAR US!

Apparently, the ONLY LANGUAGE the Terrorists of Radical Islam understand is POWER! THEREFORE, we must demonstrate to these deluded psychotics that they are "outgunned!"

The "Psychotic, Destructive antics" of "Radical Islam" ENRAGE "The West," & Further Harden the "Western Culture's" determination to "Dominate Human History!"

As Human History now stands, there will be NO "Islamic Colonies" on the Moon or Mars.

Current "Islam" is an "Anchor around the Neck of Human Progress!"

Sad.

Doc

45 posted on 04/01/2002 4:46:29 PM PST by Doc On The Bay
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To: aristeides
Thanks for the feedback. It is so hard to tell what is the truth when it comes out from those camel droppings wraps posing as newspapers.

If he has gone to Jordan, that will be it. Jordon has zero tolerance for terrorists and settles scores with them. He has a death sentence on his head, and it will be carried out if he returns to Jordan

I had forgot about the micro biology student. I imagine he is long gone by now.

With our ACLU lawyers, the lust of our pressitutes for the al Qeada thugs, and the pseudo conservatives here who support these killers, it is best not bring them here. Let one of the countries over there handle the garbage after we get the information from them.

46 posted on 04/01/2002 5:18:05 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Texaggie79
"Apu is a fictional character who is Indian, Hindu, and definitely non-Muslim."

...A spokesman for the National Quickie-Mart Association, revealed, earlier today....

While standing next to a number of rather nervous-looking representatives of the Sikh, Latino, Roma, Micronesian, Polynesian, Macronesian, Sicilian, Corsican and Cretan communities...

(With a few stray, assorted other half-breeds and 100% red-blooded Americans with marriage, friendship or neighborly ties to those kind of people, according to the best estimates of the FBI authorities and other Homeland Security official deputized individuals who were present.)

47 posted on 04/01/2002 5:41:12 PM PST by MoJoWork_n
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To: Doc On The Bay
LOL. I like the way you think. MTR.
48 posted on 04/01/2002 5:42:39 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Paleo Conservative
Ted Olson: "Hold on a minute, folks, the people from Mossad are here."
49 posted on 04/01/2002 6:15:46 PM PST by hchutch
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To: Paleo Conservative
Basic life support, as well as:
Sledge hammer
ice pick and ice
tourniquet
gasoline and hypodermic

An intellegence Medical Doctor...

That should suffice

50 posted on 04/01/2002 6:40:08 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2
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To: cynwoody
That's NOT a defence department setup.

They use those... in San Fran dude.

People pay to use the "setup."

51 posted on 04/01/2002 6:41:18 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Captive Was a Key Al Qaeda Operative: Man Seized in Raid in Pakistan Ran Group's Recruiting .
52 posted on 04/01/2002 7:11:36 PM PST by aristeides
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To: aristeides
For someone so high up in the command structure, this guy has a sorry track record. Looks like everything he planned fell through, and now he goes and gets himself captured. Not so smart I think.
54 posted on 04/01/2002 9:29:30 PM PST by WVNan
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To: Tacis
"Why was this kind of info even confirmed, much less announced?"

The original announcement and many of the details were attributed to "Pakistani authorities". They let the cat out of the bag, which we surely recognized as inevitable.

It was enough that they cooperated in the operation. Too much to ask that they keep quiet about it, too.

55 posted on 04/01/2002 9:58:15 PM PST by okie01
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To: Tacis
"Why was this kind of info even confirmed, much less announced?"

Because it forces the lower echelon terror cells in al qaeda to send communication signals to each other in yet another attempt at re-grouping and re-organizing.

Most terror cells are told to sit and remain quiet. With no news of Abu Zubaydah, they would continue to sit and remain silent.

But now they must communicate, and that makes them vulnerable to our counter-terror operations.

Now you know...

56 posted on 04/01/2002 10:18:33 PM PST by Southack
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To: kattracks; Poohbah
Memo

From: John Ashcroft, Attorney General
To: Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Re: Capture of Abu Zubaydah

Congratulations on the capture of that [expletive deleted]. That said, there are some items of concern.

1. Suspect says he was not given a chance to surrender peacefully.

2. Suspect also claims that the only comment he heard from the Special Forces troops in country was "April Fool, mother[expletive deleted]."

3. Suspect also tested positive for Versed.

I do not mean to sound like Ramsey Clark, but these suspects have rights. If the conduct by the Special Forces personnel is as Mr. Zubaydah claims, we might not be able to prosecute the [expletive deleted] in court.

r/s
John Ashcroft.

57 posted on 04/02/2002 4:33:42 AM PST by hchutch
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To: hchutch
Memo

From: Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
To: John Ashcroft, Attorney General
Re: Concerns over the capture of that [expletive deleted]

Ref: Yr memo of 04/02/02

WRT the points raised in your memo, the following clarifications are offered.

1. WRT suspect's claims that he was not allowed to surrender peacefully: suspect was whacked out on bad hash and even worse smack, firing an AK-47 in random directions, and shouting, "You wanna play games? You [expletive deleted] wanna play games? Well, say hello to my little friend here!" Given the circumstances, the Special Forces soldiers acted with an entirely commendable degree of restraint.

2. WRT to suspect's claims over verbiage from Special Forces troops: the Special Forces commander vigorously contests the claim that his team said "April Fool, mother[expletive deleted]," as his troops were smart enough to know that it was still March.

3. WRT report that suspect tested positive for Versed: Johnny, me lad, the DoJ has to pony up for a better grade of gas chromatospectrographic doohickey-thingie. The ones you use are war surplus, and CRIMEAN war surplus at that! Obviously the spectra spectre widget was confused by the intoxicants the [expletive deleted] had consumed prior to his apprehension.

We fully realize the importance of ensuring that the [expletive deleted]'s rights are protected. However, if all else fails, we can always drop the [expletive deleted] off in downtown Peshawar, in front of a known Al-Qaeda front organization's office, stuff $10,000 in his pocket, and thank him for all his help. It might save your prosecutors some wear and tear. Just an idea.

r/s
Donald Rumsfeld

PS You up for golf? I have a tee time for 1400 Thursday (that's 2 PM for the Justice Department, and when the big hand is on the 12 and the little hand is on the 2 if you're a Democrat :o) at Greenbriar. It'd do us both some good to get out of the office and wear some stupid-looking shirts, slacks, and shoes.

r/s,
Rummy

58 posted on 04/02/2002 5:10:28 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Doc On The Bay
Since "Islam" refuses to respect us, we must NOW cause it to FEAR US!

Right on Doc!!! These evil animals do not respect our strength!!! We must now train them in fear. They have demonstrated repeatedly that they have no mercy or tolerance. Take the "evil" Shah of Iran being replaced with the "good" Khomeini? Thanks Jimmy Carter, you bozo!
These medieval fanatics are strict examples of those whose life is guided by the power of the sword. They now are about to die by the same. This is simple justice. I only pray we have the moral fortitude to carry out the just verdict. I do fear our moral strength may weaken.
Today's evil is dangerously in concert. Their violent means have created in them a thirst for more violence and destruction. How can anyone say "Praise Allah!" with glee, as the Towers crumble and so many lives lost? This is beyond human imagination. Clearly this shows their devilish disdain for life itself and their repeated indulging of the evil nature.
May we not forget how willfully and happily these call evil good, as our forces fight against them. Support our troops!!!

59 posted on 04/02/2002 5:30:24 AM PST by ThirstyMan
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To: MoJoWork_n
Apu is a fictional character who is Indian, Hindu, and definitely non-Muslim."

Isn't he the Paki that Sienfield got deported?
"You are very bad man".

60 posted on 04/02/2002 5:33:47 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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