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1 posted on 06/02/2002 10:21:09 PM PDT by My Identity
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To: My Identity
The parties have been kicking a lot of dirt on each other recently. Trying to provoke the other, or prove their bonifides for their constituents back home. The Hindis are leaning forward, the Pakis seem to be doing doing their best (e.g., launchers, missles) to dare India to cross the line.

The leftist paradigm allows the weaker Pakis to attack India via proxy without penalty, while India must show "restraint". India appears well past restraint at this stage. Massive buildups along the LoC by India are a logical step to slow militant infiltrations. Now add to that the muslim 'humiliation' issue, so that the Pakis feel obligated to respond to the Indian build-up. If Pakistan (or the terrorists) engage in some provocation too far, India responds by attacking conventionally. Pakistan responds conventionally, but is soon overwhelmed in the air and at sea. Some Paki field commander, fearing the worst or about to be over-run, resorts to tactical nukes (Paki nuke protocols are reportedly very bad - Musharraf claims he has no control, doesn't know the location of Paki nukes. If they're in the field as reported, even if under "loyal" commanders, their security is significantly at risk). India responds in kind, heavily. Total flight time: 3-5 minutes. The World's Shortest and Deadliest War.

If the Pakis simply backed away from the border and put away their toys, world pressure on India to do likewise would be impossible to ignore. However, that would be 'humiliating' to the Pakis ( It's a Muslim Thing, You Wouldn't Understand© ), so it doesn't seem likely. The US could put its troops in harm's way. That would stop the Hindis, but perversely it would motivate the Paki terrorists. If India pulls back, the Paki fundamentalists would see that as a sign of victory and redouble their efforts. A "Mexican Standoff" of sorts.

Jihadis in Kashmir are the wildcard. Conversations between Washington, New Delhi and Islamabad are meaningless if the terrorists cannot be contained. Paki military middle-management seems reluctant to shut them down. India is unlikely to be 100% successful in stopping infiltrations. Further attacks in Indian-controlled Kashmir and elsewhere are therefore likely to occur. If sufficiently provocative, they could push New Delhi to act -- either low-intensity (targeting militant camps along the LoC) or high-intensity (targeting Paki nukes, command structures, Paki high ground, etc).

The grim conclusion: apparently the Pakis, a textbook failure of a society, immersed in grinding poverty, swimming in a soup of self-pity, self-righteousness, and self-hatred, infected with jihad fevers, sees martyrdom as an 'honorable' out. They'll welcome war -- and risk everything -- because they have nothing to lose. A societal death wish.

An alternative (and more hopeful) spin on events to date is that Mush is ratcheting up the rhetoric (and here) to cover for the crackdown on the jihadis. Mush is whipping the Pakis into a near-frenzy over the nuke option. Meanwhile, he is cracking down on the bad players. India eventually sees that LoC activities have dropped significantly, so they can pull back. Mush can then claim that India withdrew because they feared Paki nukes. Dangerous posturing, but better than the alternative. The sudden surge in (apparently coordinated) evac orders (e.g., UK, US, UN, Israel, Australia, France, Canada, and New Zealand) suggests that this scenario is low probability (the great powers are firing a diplomatic warning shot). However, (or as a result) Mush has been saying more conciliatory things (and here and here and here) in the last 48 hours. While India is responding in kind (and here), they may not be able to rely on even private US reassurances regarding Paki intentions given Mush's history. So the area rests on a hair trigger.

I think Mush is trying to clamp down on the jihadis, with an order to stop infiltrations (and here and here), but he does't have complete cooperation. Hopefully he'll convince the ISI troops to cool it for the 2 weeks that India demands. We'll see. Are there any wild-eyed fanatics beyond ISI control out there? Probably. If the jihadis, or even key segments of the Paki military, spin out of control, all bets are off.

The most disconcerting issue is the question of Paki control over their own nukes. There are multiple reports on loose management of Paki nukes. The sources quoted above are not all considered highly reliable, but some (U.S.) seem to be reasonably reliable. And they do paint a consistent picture. Does Musharraf have control? One hopes so, but given the level of sophistication in that part of the world, it is easy to imagine that fail-safe and C&C procedures are weak, especially with tactical nukes. I find it difficult to imagine that Pakistan has multiple, secure, nuclear-storage facilities, for example. The religious, political, and personal ambitions of the key Paki players makes it an interesting brew.

Finally, there is the hope of a deus ex machina scenario that isn't public knowledge. Does the US have assets on the ground or in the sky to help pinpoint the location of Paki nukes in real-time? One fervently hopes.

Freegards,

MI
2 posted on 06/02/2002 10:23:28 PM PDT by My Identity
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To: My Identity
The new moon is June 8, and an earlier statement was that the war would not begin until Sept because of elections and the weather.
3 posted on 06/02/2002 10:26:23 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: My Identity
When the Brits hauled ass, Kashmir was predominately Muslim, but the reigning majarajah opted for India. If the UN had conducted a plebicite, as they had in other jurisdictions, Kashmir would have gone Paki. The effing UN has caused more conflicts than it has solved. We should get out and kick out of our country.
6 posted on 06/02/2002 10:38:09 PM PDT by RWCon
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To: My Identity
The two leaders have been under international pressure
to back away from a conflict
which,
if it became nuclear,
could cost 12 million lives,
according to Pentagon estimates.

I wish they would stop quoting these ridiculous figures.

Most of the deaths would be caused by disease and starvation
after the war
and probably would number 100 million or more.

8 posted on 06/02/2002 10:45:32 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: *southasia_list;backhoe

9 posted on 06/02/2002 10:45:45 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: My Identity
You did a lot of work combining all of that information
Thanks
13 posted on 06/03/2002 12:07:34 AM PDT by The Obstinate Insomniac
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