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Motorcyclists Rev Up To Oppose EPA Rule
Scripps Howard ^ | June 25, 2002 | Joan Lowy

Posted on 06/25/2002 2:20:42 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest

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To: BillinDenver
If you are awakened by motorcycle noise early in the AM, you need to drink more beer before bed, or move into a quieter neighborhood. Barking dogs are more of a nuisance than loud pipes.
41 posted on 06/26/2002 7:23:18 PM PDT by jeremiah
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To: BillinDenver
Bikers should quit whining.

Whining? WHINING?

I've heard a plethora of opinions/statements/utterances from many different Bikers, all over this United States of Wide America. I've never heard one whine . . .

This thread is about EPA regs; please try to stay on topic.

If you're willing to go after bikers for pollution controls, better be prepared to give up your Barbeque grill. They create much more pollution than the most poorly tuned Rat Bike . . .

42 posted on 06/26/2002 8:19:35 PM PDT by BraveMan
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To: mamelukesabre
I'm guessing that it is for the polution that the 2-Cycle puts out (it runs on mixed oil/gas). Just a guess. The clerk didn't know what it was for rither.

EBUCK

43 posted on 06/27/2002 9:32:06 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: EBUCK
In principle, you could have refused to pay it untill they tell you exactly what it is for. I would have, but I'm ornry :)
44 posted on 06/27/2002 3:16:10 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
I just noticed it about a week after I rented it. I was going through the receipts and viola...a little spark went off and I started ranting.

The clerk said that no one had ever questioned him on it before and vowed to figure it out before I cam for my next tool renatl (about another week)

EBUCK

45 posted on 06/27/2002 3:41:26 PM PDT by EBUCK
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To: EBUCK
My suspicioun is that it is to cover a disposal fee that the business is forced to pay for disposal of some kind of hazardous material. Probably something like oil soaked kitty litter that they use to clean up oil spills with, or used oily rags.
46 posted on 06/27/2002 4:16:19 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: hattend; Reaganwuzthebest
"The fears of small manufacturers and their customers are greatly overblown," Zinger said. "We're telling people, 'Trust us. We're confident this is not going to put you out of business.' "

Tell it to the farmers, loggers, mill workers, powerplant builders and any other worker whose lives EPA edicts have touched.

I'm sure you know the bikers' enemy is not JUST the EPA. So many people, governmental agencies, NGO's, and laws and regulations, and NGO's devoted to the same agenda of separating the American people from THEIR land. They'd like to reduce us peasants to walking or bicycling in our 'Smart Growth' communities, and leave the rural areas to them. It might be helpful for the bikers to know the rest of the story if they expect to be successful in their endeavor...........

1) The Earth-First "Death Manual" to fight Bikers http://www.off-road.com/vw/enviro/efdm.html

2) From the WildlandsProjectRevealed.org:

"Roads

Since roads provide human access to remote areas, perhaps it should come as no surprise that an organization has formed which has as its primary objective the closing and removal of roads on public lands.

The Road Removal Implementation Project (ROAD-RIP) grew out of The Wildlands Project's (TWP) vision with the primary purpose of laying, "…the groundwork for protecting and restoring wildland ecosystems by eliminating roads." This is necessary because in order to expand the system of reserves and corridors envisioned by TWP, large roadless are needed throughout the continent. Viewing connectivity as a key, ROAD-RIPpers ask, "…what bigger disrupter of connectivity is there than a road?" Therefore, according to an article in Wild Earth (Winter 1995/96) by Kraig Klungness and Katie Alvord Scarborough (co-founders of ROAD-RIP), ROAD-RIP, "…has the same ultimate goal as TWP: big wilderness as home for the unimpeded evolutionary journeys of North America's myriad native species." In January 1997, ROAD-RIP changed its name to the less abrasive Wildlands Center for Preventing Roads, Wildlands CPR. According to information released by the organization, "Our focus is specific: Wildlands CPR seeks the protection and recovery of large-scale wilderness and biodiversity by removing roads and preventing new road construction on public lands." The Wildlands Project and the Biodiversity Legal Foundation, "a non-profit organization which pursues aggressive legal strategies to preserve native wild plants and animals, communities of species ecosystems, and natural landscapes", lead the Wildlands CPR coalition.

Claiming that, "THE ROAD TO WILDERNESS RECOVERY…IS NO ROAD AT ALL," Wildlands CPR maintains that the best road density goal for maintaining and restring ecological processes is, "ZERO-NO ROADS AT ALL." Their definition of a road "includes everything from interstate highways down to two-track logging roads, off-road vehicle trails, and snowmobile routes." By using TWP vision maps, Wildlands CPR is targeting the roads necessary for closing in order to bring about large-scale North American wilderness recovery.

Believing that, "In order to assure the connectivity that TWP envisions, we need to close roads-lots of roads-…" Wildlands CPR maintains that a program like theirs is essential to the success of The Wildlands Project. Klungness and Scarborough write that Wildlands CPR, "will help make the grand vision of The Wildlands Project a reality, piece by roadless, interconnected piece."

To help activists close and remove roads ROAD-RIP published a series of guides in 1995 and 1996 collectively distributed as the ROAD-RIPPER'S HANDBOOK. The publication of these guides was made possible by the financial support of the Conservation Alliance and the Foundation for Deep Ecology. While one would naturally assume that there would be guides for Forest Service (FS), and Bureau of Land Management (BLM) lands since these have traditionally supported resource industries, there is also a guide for National Park Service (NPS) land. Since NPS lands are primarily intended for recreational and educational use, some might find it surprising that Wildlands CPR would object to access of these lands too.

In the 1999 January/February issue of The Road-RIPorter Bethanie Walder, Director of Wildlands CPR wrote, "As simple as it may seem, if we can stop the roads now, then we have a lot less timber sales, mines and motorized recreation to stop later." On the basis of that statement it is apparent that Ms. Walder considers motorized recreation (the most popular form of public land recreation) to be undesirable too. Indeed, one of the guides distributed in the HANDBOOK is titled, "The Road-Rippers Guide to Off-Road Vehicles."

In a Road-RIPorter article published in 1997, Marianne Moulton criticized non-motorized recreation as well, writing, "As more Americans find their way into the backcountry, the unknown risks to the natural world increases. The shocking truth is that trails have impacts similar to roads. (emphasis added)"............ http://www.wildlandsprojectrevealed.org/htm/roads.htm

More excerpts from the www.wildlandsprojectrevealed.org

.........."We have got to share this planet with the other living creatures, and sharing means not merely preserving them in zoos or National Parks, but setting aside huge areas. Whole regions perhaps that will be free of human interference. Ideally, I would like to see certain large areas of the planet set off-limits to human entry of any kind, even aerial over flights.",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Edward Abbey-Deep Ecology for the 21st Century: The Natural Wonder: An Ecocentric World View. New Dimensions Radio, 1998.

"The only hope of the Earth is to withdraw huge areas as inviolate natural sanctuaries from the depredations of modern industry and technology. Move out the people and cars. Reclaim the roads and the plowed lands."........--Dave Foreman, Confessions of an Eco-Warrior

"Does all the foregoing mean that Wild Earth and The Wildlands Project advocate the end of industrialized civilization? Most assuredly. Everything civilized must go..."-----------John Davis, editor of Wild Earth magazine

"The goal of the Wildlands Project is to set aside approximately fifty (50) percent of the North American continent (Turtle Island) as "wild land" for the preservation of biological diversity.
The project seeks to do this by creating "reserve networks" across the continent. Reserves are made up of the following:
Cores, created from public lands such as National Forest and Parks
Buffers, often created from private land adjoining the cores to provide additional protection
Corridors, a mix of public and private lands usually following along rivers and wildlife migration routes
The primary characteristics of core areas are that they are large (100,000 to 25 million acres), and allow for little, if any, human use.
The primary characteristics of buffers are that they allow for limited human use so long as they are "managed with native biodiversity as a preeminent concern."
Moral and ethical guidelines for the Wildlands Project are based on the philosophy of Deep Ecology.
The eight point platform of Deep Ecology can be summarized as follows:
All life (human and non-human) has equal value.
Resource consumption above what is needed to supply "vital" human needs is immoral.
Human population must be reduced
Western civilization must radically change present economic, technological, and ideological structures.
Believers have an obligation to try to implement the necessary changes.
The Wildlands Project itself is supported by hundreds of groups working towards its long-term implementation. Implementation may take 100 years or more.
The Wildlands Project has received millions of dollars in support [***ALL TAX DEDUCTIBLE***]from wealthy private and corporate foundations such as the [TED] Turner Foundation, Patagonia, W. Alton Jones Foundation, Lyndhurst Foundation, etc....[AND THE NATURE CONSERVANCY, A TAX-EXEMPT, TAXPAYER-SUPPORTED REAL ESTATE ARM OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE INTERNATIONAL BANKSTERS.]............

"Turtle Island
In 1969, California poet Gary Snyder published a collection of poems and essays entitled Turtle Island. Snyder explained this unusual title in the introduction:

"Turtle Island – the old/new name for the continent, based on many creation myths of the people who have been living here for millennia, and reapplied by some of them to "North America" in recent years. Also, an idea found world-wide, of the earth, or cosmos even, sustained by a great turtle or SERPENT-OF-ETERNITY." (Snyder, 1969, Turtle Island).................

For Snyder then, Turtle Island became symbolic of his own "back to the future" sentiment of how man’s relationship to the earth should be defined, and lived. It should be biocentric (nature centered) as opposed to anthropocentric (human centered), [notice God is not mentioned at all] while possessing a keen awareness of "place". The concept of place is difficult at first, but think of somewhere special to you. Perhaps it is a forest. Perhaps it is the house you grew up in, your school, or your church. Now imagine expanding that feeling to cover the entire biosphere. Once you appreciate the place where you are, Snyder thinks, you begin to treat life and the earth with reverence and respect, not to be exploited, as modern man has come to do. Therefore Snyder urges a reinhabitation of Turtle Island, and a new paradigm for mankind.

[*note yesterday the court in Calif. declared the Pledge of Allegiance to America unconstitutional.]

I pledge allegiance to the soil
of Turtle Island
and to the beings who thereon dwell
one ecosystem
in diversity
under the sun
With joyful interpenetration for all...........(Snyder, 1995, Deep Ecology for the 21st Century, Sessions. ed.)

"Do we all want to go back/forward to Turtle Island? What will life be like? Will we be happier? Healthier? These are fair questions to ask. To answer them, we must know more. For Snyder, Turtle Island became symbolic of the cultural and ecological rediscovery of North America, but for others Turtle Island has become the icon for the reinvention of North America: the Wildlands Project." http://www.wildlandsprojectrevealed.org/htm/turtle.htm.....

"Irregardless of how unlikely the Wildlands Project may seem, Wildlanders have an almost religious-like conviction that their plan must succeed. For Wildlanders, no less than the survival of life on Earth is at stake. Sophisticated beyond what many might expect, the Wildlands Project contains its own science, and its own philosophy, and if society's goal is to maximize biological diversity, to the exclusion of any other goal, it is a plan that merits discussion."

"The United Nations agrees, and the Wildlands Project was mentioned in their "Global Biodiversity Assessment" as a possible approach to preserving biological diversity. (See Section 13.4.2.2.3, page 993, "Global Biodiversity Assessment", Cambridge University Press, 1995)

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The Wildlands Project is embodied in the UN's Global Biodiversity Assessment, Agenda 21 and The Earth Charter, a kind of Ten Commandments of and by pagans/idolators/socialists/communists making its serpentine path around the globe. See also The Earth Charter - Agenda for Totalitarianism.

Official website for The Wildlands Project.

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[In Genesis, God tells the serpent, (Gen 3:15) And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. The very next time the serpent is mentioned is in Gen. 49:17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/1025198549.html I saw in a book about the historical roots of American architecture, a small picture of an ancient Indian burial mound - 600 feet long and in the form of a serpent swallowing a turtle. The "Serpent" apparently had designs on this country long before the colonists arrived in Jamestown.

This is old news to most FReepers, but might be helpful to connect the dots for newer readers. The bikers battle are belong to (all of) us.

47 posted on 06/27/2002 4:31:21 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen
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To: Ethan_Allen
Bump all that
48 posted on 06/27/2002 6:01:56 PM PDT by hattend
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To: MileHi
Hey Bill, where do you live? I want to drive my Shovelhead through your yard some morning.

pictures please - at least we have bikes in common -Kind of partial to antiques myself - flatties - especially the '30 Indian 101 scout - and the ULH

49 posted on 07/03/2002 7:04:13 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
same could be said for classic car "crusher" regs -
50 posted on 07/03/2002 7:06:18 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Revelation 911
I wish I knew how to post a photo of it.

Do you recall seeing a really big poster years ago of a black harley? They were pretty popular posters and my bike looks like that.

Sort of like this:


51 posted on 07/03/2002 11:06:27 AM PDT by MileHi
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To: Grampa Dave
not sure if you saw this thread....for your son....expanding on the thread of last night, which I have not had a chance to respond to, yet.

I said above: "So many people, governmental agencies, NGO's, and laws and regulations, and NGO's devoted to the same agenda of separating the American people from THEIR land." I should have added this; it's as good a place as any to start: TIMELINE TO GLOBAL GOVERNANCE http://www.sovereignty.net/p/gov/timeline.html. Other interesting links came up on my AOL search for that website: (link), including this one: http://users.codenet.net/moonman/alternative.html.

I'm not sure what I intended for the bluletterbible.org link which does not work; maybe this..... http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/1026261606.html.

The root of ALL our problems is spiritual. Like God's chosen people of the Old Testament, we have turned our backs on Him and His Word, and are already beginning to reap the consequences. Some days I think we can get right with Him again; today I'm feeling pessimistic.

See links above in #47 for these: "The Wildlands Project is embodied in the UN's Global Biodiversity Assessment, Agenda 21 and The Earth Charter, a kind of Ten Commandments of and by pagans/idolators/socialists/communists making its serpentine path around the globe. See also The Earth Charter - Agenda for Totalitarianism. Official website for The Wildlands Project." When viewing the "Ark of Hope", I'm reminded of Ezekiel 8 ( http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze008.html#1 ) and the abominations committed in the Temple, particularly this passage:

Eze 8:9 And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here.

Eze 8:10 So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about.

Eze 8:11 And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up.

Eze 8:12 Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, The LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth...... (An 1870 commentary on Ezekiel 8 http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/comm_read/1026252610.html.)

Then link over to Ezekiel 9. In 9:9-10 God is deploring the shedding of innocent blood in Israel (we have 40 million babies sacrificed on the altar of the god of "choice"). Note in Ezekiel 9:3-7, He commands one angel to put His "seal" on His followers, the ones who cry and sigh for all the abominations that are being done; these are to be protected when the other angels begin to slay everyone else - man, woman, and child who have not HIS "mark" (but the "mark" of the Beast ). Note also he tells the angels to start at His sanctuary.

Note also Romans 1: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rom/Rom001.html#top

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them. Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Aside from a lot of APOSTATE Christianity being practiced today, some people don't believe there is a God. I implore anyone reading this who feels this way to TAKE THE ATHEIST TEST HERE at raycomfort.com. If a person read only a few chapter of the Old Testament, it would become really obvious what happens when people have a total disregard for the One who created ALL things. If there is to be ANY hope of a Free Republic, I am convinced the hope lies in the Holy Word.....you shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you Free. Outside of that, any other efforts to retain (reGAIN, IMHO) freedom are doomed.

Listen up America and take heed....PLEASE!:

Eze 8:18 Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, [yet] will I not hear them.

52 posted on 07/09/2002 4:01:02 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen
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